Because the other thread was not fully made right I decided that, it was a reasonable topic, and I remade it!
So Overpopulation. A few days ago the population of Earth has reached 7 billion. Is it a problem? How should we deal with it? Should population control be considered?
I personally think that a family should only be able to have 2 kids for their entire life. Other then adoptions.
Discuss!
What the fuck.
The reality is that there is no overpopulation crisis. Your ideas for dealing with overpopulation, even if it were real, are horrible. You are literally suggesting government executions be implemented on a larger scale (think about the term government execution) and that the government should limit our reproduction.
Are you fucking kidding me.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;33080621]What the fuck.
The reality is that there is no overpopulation crisis. Your ideas for dealing with overpopulation, even if it were real, are horrible. You are literally suggesting government executions be implemented on a larger scale (think about the term government execution) and that the government should limit our reproduction.
Are you fucking kidding me.[/QUOTE]
Well, I don't know about you, but I would rather not have murders, rapists, and etc. Be let back on the streets anyway. Plus I don't see a problem with those limits. Familys don't need more then two kids.
Instant executions. Are you fucking serious?
If the government gains the power to make the death penalty more common just because we could use less people, then overpopulation would be the least of our worries.
With the media touting the breach of 7 billion people recently, there has been a worrisome cry for a solution to this "overpopulation" problem. Proponents of this claim fail to identify any actual problems we are facing and it is unclear what exactly the uproar over the human population is. Unfortunately the entire debacle over this non-issue completely undermines the entire framework of logic. Proponents that claim "overpopulation" fail to state any premises and only restate their {baseless} conclusion of "overpopulation". To understand the frenzy, it is necessary to understand the historical emergence and significance of the term, "overpopulation". In 1798, Thomas Robert Malthus published his essay, "An Essay on the Principle of Population", cited the world would run out of food by 1890. This is the first recorded case in which the pseudo-crisis of "overpopulation" was sensationalized and yet without any evidence, it has perpetuated itself in our news media as a debilitating issue. Before the overpopulation issue can be discussed {or debated}, proponents of said issue must define this issue; When did it start? To whom does it concern? What does it encompass? Why should we care? This questions are necessary to further the discussion and must be considered before solutions are concerned with.
In your mind. What if I want three kids? Is that really for the government to control? What right do they have to control me like that?
Also, think again about the term. You are justifying the use of [B]government[/B] [I]execution[/I] and expanding it even further. Do you really not see the issue?
Overpopulation is a myth:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM&[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXrN9HhnCcM&[/media]
And frankly even if it was true, denying human rights to people would in no way solve it.
Here's some more videos by the same people:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iodJ0OOdgRg&[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBS6f-JVvTY&[/media]
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;33080738]In your mind. What if I want three kids? Is that really for the government to control? What right do they have to control me like that?
Also, think again about the term. You are justifying the use of [B]government[/B] [I]execution[/I] and expanding it even further. Do you really not see the issue?[/QUOTE]
If resource problems are going to increase these things need to be brought to mind. We won't have enough resources for a population like this in the future.
There is no overpopulation nor lack of food in my opinion. There is enough resources for everyone in the world, it just doesn't reach everyone.
Also murder isn't a solution. You will just end up with billions of corpses instead of billions of people.
So, let's restrict people's freedom and life because of a problem that doesn't exist? Uh, no. There is nothing that signifies that the earth is drastically different with 7 billion people than there was with 6 billion.
[QUOTE=The Winner;33080791]So, let's restrict people's freedom and life because of a problem that doesn't exist? Uh, no. There is nothing that signifies that the earth is drastically different with 7 billion people than there was with 6 billion.[/QUOTE]
Yeah sure, but I would not even want more then two kids, and I don't know why you WOULD want it.
But you know this thread is not for discussing my opinion.
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33080675]Well, I don't know about you, but I would rather not have murders, rapists, and etc. Be let back on the streets anyway. Plus I don't see a problem with those limits. Familys don't need more then two kids.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately society does not conform to your arbitrary wishes and desires; rather, focuses on the solutions to the problems murderers, and rapist present. You still fail to state any argument that the human population is an issue, but rather opt to restate your conclusion {overpopulation} and fail to provide any evidence to suggest keeping said individual(s){murderers, and rapist} would solve the "overpopulation" problem you have yet to provide a case for.
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33080814]I don't see why that's a lack of freedom. I guess it is, but I would not even want more then two kids, and I don't know why you WOULD want it.
But you know this thread is not for discussing my opinion.[/QUOTE]
You posted this in a debate section. We have to debate the opposing sides opinion.
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33080814]Yeah sure, but I would not even want more then two kids, and I don't know why you WOULD want it.
But you know this thread is not for discussing my opinion.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to know why I would want something, but you can't infringe my right to do so.
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[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33080752]If resource problems are going to increase these things need to be brought to mind. We won't have enough resources for a population like this in the future.[/QUOTE]
stop ignoring my point about government execution being a horrible thing.
Fine, ill remove it so everyone stops bitching.
How is government execution a bad thing? It get's the horrible people off the planet, so they can't hurt anyone else.
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33080901]Fine, ill remove it so everyone stops bitching.[/QUOTE]
start a debate thread and not understand how a debate works
you just forfeited, proved your ignorance on the subject you started a debate on, and proved your inability to have a rational discussion.
Well this is debate, you made me change my mind which is the point.
I still stand strong on the 2 kids law idea.
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33080943]I still stand strong on the 2 kids law idea.[/QUOTE]
Why? Suppose I'm the government. I can't control what you eat, I can't control what you do from day to day. Why should I control how many children you can have? Why is it my place to control something that is your responsibility.
People should be responsible about having children but if you want to have more than two they can. Please justify, with evidence, why they should not.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;33081102]Why? Suppose I'm the government. I can't control what you eat, I can't control what you do from day to day. Why should I control how many children you can have? Why is it my place to control something that is your responsibility.
People should be responsible about having children but if you want to have more than two they can. Please justify, with evidence, why they should not.[/QUOTE]
Because, this would help control the population so, it does not grow as fast. This let's us have more resources until the point when we can get of this planet, and find another one to live on, but if we never get into space it will at least let us last longer.
Give evidence that the population rising will cause such a huge issue. We have enough resources and you've provided nothing to the contrary. Decreasing or limiting a population does not increase resources. It wouldn't even change. Your mentioning of other planets is completely irrelevant to the debate.
Where I live in Canada, it's more like underpopuluation. It's like absolutely no one lives here half the time. I can understand if there starts to be a massive food shortage, but for the civilized world right now I don't think it's a huge issue (this is directed to the people who have the money to actually buy food)
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33080752]If resource problems are going to increase these things need to be brought to mind. We won't have enough resources for a population like this in the future.[/QUOTE]
Although I see your point and agree that overpopulation is a growing problem, there's one small problem in the 2 child per family law. Illegal childbirth.
[QUOTE=Dogchow33;33081283]Although I see your point and agree that overpopulation is a growing problem, there's one small problem in the 2 child per family law. Illegal childbirth.[/QUOTE]
The family get's a hefty fine/jail time, and the child goes to a adoption agency. Simple.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;33081178]Give evidence that the population rising will cause such a huge issue. We have enough resources and you've provided nothing to the contrary. Decreasing or limiting a population does not increase resources. It wouldn't even change. Your mentioning of other planets is completely irrelevant to the debate.[/QUOTE]
We are running out of oil. Do you not see the gas prices rising?
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33081296]The family get's a hefty fine/jail time, and the child goes to a adoption agency. Simple.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding me? You would fine a family that's just had their kid taken away and possibly put them in prison?
Not to mention that for this to be illegal, they would have to already have had two kids. How would it help those 2 kids if one or both of their parents were in prison?
[QUOTE=BlkDucky;33081313]Are you kidding me? You would fine a family that's just had their kid taken away and possibly put them in prison?
Not to mention that for this to be illegal, they would have to already have had two kids. How would it help those 2 kids if one or both of their parents were in prison?[/QUOTE]
Possibly yes. Or it could just have their kid taken away.
[editline]2nd November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;33081178]Give evidence that the population rising will cause such a huge issue. We have enough resources and you've provided nothing to the contrary. Decreasing or limiting a population does not increase resources. It wouldn't even change. Your mentioning of other planets is completely irrelevant to the debate.[/QUOTE]
It is not irrelevant. If we are able to find materials on alien planets, Overpopulation will slowly become less of a problem until the point we don't ever need to think about it. We might even be able to make homes on them.
There is not even an overpopulation problem so what is your point.
[editline]1st November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33081296]We are running out of oil. Do you not see the gas prices rising?[/QUOTE]
That is not why oil prices are rising.
[editline]1st November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33081335]Possibly yes. Or it could just have their kid taken away.
[/QUOTE]
Ok yea take away someone's child from birth and put them into the adoption system which is actually overcrowded and famously bad.
[editline]1st November 2011[/editline]
Also stop changing the debate and actually refute the points that people are making. You have provided no evidence, no sources, no proof to back all of the claims you have made so far and have only backpedaled every time you're proven wrong.
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;33081335]Possibly yes. Or it could just have their kid taken away.
[editline]2nd November 2011[/editline]
It is not irrelevant. If we are able to find materials on alien planets, Overpopulation will slowly become less of a problem until the point we don't ever need to think about it. We might even be able to make homes on them.[/QUOTE]
The fact that you think you can "simply" take away a baby from someone frankly astounds me. You don't seem to realise the gravity of what you're proposing at all; they aren't "simple" solutions, they're reckless and flawed beyond belief.
The world became overpopulated enough to become highly unstable at 1 billion. We have reach 7 billion, and that instability is getting worse as a consequence. I'd say that the world can only be stable with about 500 million. (When I say highly unstable, I mean changing at a rate that means it will become severe before a few centuries have passed) Looking at a geological timescale, 7 billion people do massive amounts of damage in a tiny amounts of time.
The solution is not to force people to not have too many children, but to discourage them by showing the effects on peoples lives if they have 3+ children. Stress and decreased wealth. Evolution tricks people into believing that having lots of children makes them happy.
They could also advertise the fact that the way food is being produced may create massive amounts, but diseases evolving resistance to the antibiotics required and rapidly lowering fertility of the soil, a side effect of speed growing crops, will soon cause the amount of food to plummet, and those production methods to become obsolete due to the fact nothing can grow in the conditions created by that method, and reversion to older, more sustainable growing methods will be required, but the land/person ratio will be far lower than it was when those methods were last used, so sustaining high populations will become impossible.
Oh, and that second video there is true, but the way they grow the food on less land only works short term, as I said above, it will work for perhaps a number of decades and then food can no longer be grown on that land. And those overpopulation videos only think "Humans need food" rather than considering their other requirements, and those requirements can make other requirements harder to get, such as "People require food, which will be harder to make with the conditions becoming worse, one reason that conditions are becoming worse is because of logging, done to get the wood required for houses, and the houses are needed for more people.
How is putting limits on offspring not the totalitarian nightmare of nightmares?
Just kill everyone who watches Fox news. Problem solved. :>
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