The Nationalistic Party True Finns have made huge gains, from 5 seats to 39 in a 200 seat Parliament, results are,
National Coalition Party - 44 (Lost 6)
Social Democrats - 42 (lost 3)
True Finns - 39 (Huge gains, 5 to 39 wow)
Centre Party - 35 (Lost 16)
This can cause the old toffs in the EU to go even grayer as the Portugal Bailout requires a Unanimous vote, the NCP will either have to ally with SD or TF, Conservatives with Socialists, nah.
Another victory for Nationalism.
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_parliamentary_election,_2011[/url] <-- Source
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Damn, never saw that thread.
Fuck nationalism.
nazi party lol
[quote=Wikipedia]Even though True Finns is a Finnish-based movement with only newly emerging international connections, it has been compared with the rise of the Tea Party movement in the United States and other similar populist movements in Europe, critical of globalism and the well-connected power elites.[/quote]
Oh god Finnish Tea Party
[QUOTE=CommunistCookie;29252831]Fuck nationalism.[/QUOTE]
Nationalism is good, this is good for Finland.
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;29252948]Oh god Finnish Tea Party[/QUOTE]
They must be doing well, from 5 seats to 39 in a 200 seat parliament.
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[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;29252852]nazi party lol[/QUOTE]
Please describe in detail why they are Nazis.
[QUOTE=Georgeman;29253098]Nationalism is good, this is good for Finland.
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They must be doing well, from 5 seats to 39 in a 200 seat parliament.[/QUOTE]
It's a populist party which relies on unrealistic promises which are impossible to fulfill in order to get votes. It's NOT good for Finland.
Here's a better source for this: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13107620[/url]
Also, this is a complete disaster for sanity.
[QUOTE=Denicide;29253256]Here's a better source for this: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13107620[/url]
Also, this is a complete disaster for sanity.[/QUOTE]
So it is sane to be in the EU?
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[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29253229]It's a populist party which relies on unrealistic promises which are impossible to fulfill in order to get votes. It's NOT good for Finland.[/QUOTE]
They have good policies, why are they impossible to fulfill?
True Finns is such a crappy name for a party.
[QUOTE=Georgeman;29253287]
They have good policies, why are they impossible to fulfill?[/QUOTE]
If we disregard the fact that they are controversial and would theoratically need a majority of the seats in the Finnish Parliament to pass their bills:
Finnish has a declining birth rate, which is inevitably going to affect the Finnish economy negatively. Since True Finns oppose immigration, problems with employers not being able to employ people due to lack of people to employ, the problem cannot be fixed that way. So what are they going to do?
Good policies? Really? They're all kinds of racist, they think that tougher punishment for crimes actually help (spoilers: it doesn't) and they think that poor people in other countries should just go fuck themselves.
Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;29253541]If we disregard the fact that they are controversial and would theoratically need a majority of the seats in the Finnish Parliament to pass their bills:
Finnish has a declining birth rate, which is inevitably going to affect the Finnish economy negatively. Since True Finns oppose immigration, problems with employers not being able to employ people due to lack of people to employ, the problem cannot be fixed that way. So what are they going to do?[/QUOTE]
There are other ways of doing things without Immigration, what are you doing? Replacing the Population and culture with a new one.
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[QUOTE=Jiyoon;29253606]Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.[/QUOTE]
Communism is.
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[QUOTE=sp00ks;29253576]Good policies? Really? They're all kinds of racist, they think that tougher punishment for crimes actually help (spoilers: it doesn't) and they think that poor people in other countries should just go fuck themselves.[/QUOTE]
If you mean Refugees, by UN law Refugees MUST go to the next safest country, not all the way across the world.
Please explain how nationalism and isolationism is a good thing.
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[QUOTE=Georgeman;29253613]There are other ways of doing things without Immigration, what are you doing? Replacing the Population and culture with a new one.
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I don't think you can actually make a law that makes people fuck more.
[QUOTE=Georgeman;29253613]There are other ways of doing things without Immigration, what are you doing? Replacing the Population and culture with a new one.[/QUOTE]
People and governments should not try to emulate or force culture.
Culture is not static.
[QUOTE=Georgeman;29253613]There are other ways of doing things without Immigration, what are you doing? Replacing the Population and culture with a new one.
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Japan ended it's period of isolation when Meiji took the throne. Trade happened and the exchange of cultures and technology happened.
It's very safe to say that the culture of Japan remained unchanged.
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Not to mention that Japan became a Naval and Military Power in less than a few decades.
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OP is disgustingly xenophobic
[QUOTE=Georgeman;29253613]There are other ways of doing things without Immigration, what are you doing? Replacing the Population and culture with a new one.[/QUOTE]
Unless I'm misinformed, True Finns have ignored this problem.
[quote]Communism is.[/quote]
That's one of the dumbest responses I've ever seen. He quoted Albert Einstein, and is one of his most famous quotes.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29253743]Japan ended it's period of isolation when Meiji took the throne. Trade happened and the exchange of cultures and technology happened.
It's very safe to say that the culture of Japan remained unchanged.
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Not to mention that Japan became a Naval and Military Power in less than a few decades.
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OP is disgustingly xenophobic[/QUOTE]
Did it have huge swathes of Immigration? No, try and impose Multiculturlaism to them and you will most likely get chased out the building.
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;29253724]People and governments should not try to emulate or force culture.
Culture is not static.[/QUOTE]
So trying to Preserve your own is bad?
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[QUOTE=sp00ks;29253669]Please explain how nationalism and isolationism is a good thing.
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I don't think you can actually make a law that makes people fuck more.[/QUOTE]
You can't but you can convince people to have more kids, through campaigns etc..
[QUOTE=Georgeman;29253823]
So trying to Preserve your own is bad?[/QUOTE]
I have never seen efforts of a government to 'preserve' a culture.
[QUOTE=Georgeman;29253823]So trying to Preserve your own is bad?[/QUOTE]
Who resurrected Enoch Powell?
Trying to preserve your own=/=trying to keep everyone else's out
[QUOTE=sp00ks;29253977]Trying to preserve your own=/=trying to keep everyone else's out[/QUOTE]
Hit the nail square on the head there. I love cultures. Cultures are awesome. I definitely want to preserve mine. But I want to preserve other cultures too, because they are awesome as well.
You should be able to celebrate your heritage alongside others celebrating theirs wherever you end up in the world.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;29253956]Who resurrected Enoch Powell?[/QUOTE]
Max Mosley perhaps.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29254025]Hit the nail square on the head there. I love cultures. Cultures are awesome. I definitely want to preserve mine. But I want to preserve other cultures too, because they are awesome as well.
You should be able to celebrate your heritage alongside others celebrating theirs wherever you end up in the world.[/QUOTE]
This is essentially Patriotism. Nothing wrong with patriotism.
I'll pull out another example.
America in the early 20th century had immigration quotas and limits on how many people would arrive. What's even worse was the growing racism and stereotypes of Eastern Europeans causing 'Red Scare'. Isolating a country would turn it's people into ignorant people. Integrating them breaks down stereotypes.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;29254025]Hit the nail square on the head there. I love cultures. Cultures are awesome. I definitely want to preserve mine. But I want to preserve other cultures too, because they are awesome as well.
You should be able to celebrate your heritage alongside others celebrating theirs wherever you end up in the world.[/QUOTE]
Thats what's Nationalism is about, Preserving your culture and countries, if everyone remained neutral (In a Military sense) then the world would be a happy place, The EU is not the answer, it is not neutral, it wants to take control of the member states economies, centralise the industries at the cost of most of the member states and you cannot leave it as well (as you need to go through there court system)
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[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29254111]I'll pull out another example.
America in the early 20th century had immigration quotas and limits on how many people would arrive. What's even worse was the growing racism and stereotypes of Eastern Europeans causing 'Red Scare'. Isolating a country would turn it's people into ignorant people. Integrating them breaks down stereotypes.[/QUOTE]
Ok, let in everybody and we will be happy (Sarcasm)
[QUOTE=Georgeman;29254130]Thats what's Nationalism is about, Preserving your culture and countries, if everyone remained neutral (In a Military sense) then the world would be a happy place, The EU is not the answer, it is not neutral, it wants to take control of the member states economies, centralise the industries at the cost of most of the member states and you cannot leave it as well (as you need to go through there court system)
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Ok, let in everybody and we will be happy (Sarcasm)[/QUOTE]
So, how does nationalism solve problems due to lack of immigration in countries that suffer from a declining birth rate?
As I said, Immigration is not the answer.
[QUOTE=Georgeman;29254130]Thats what's Nationalism is about, Preserving your culture and countries, if everyone remained neutral (In a Military sense) then the world would be a happy place, The EU is not the answer, it is not neutral, it wants to take control of the member states economies, centralise the industries at the cost of most of the member states and you cannot leave it as well (as you need to go through there court system)[/QUOTE]
Incorrect. You do not know what Nationalism is.
Nationalism is essentially excessive Patriotism, which is where you love your countries culture and way of life so much you deem it superior to all others and therefore wish to impose your culture and way of life on others.
[QUOTE=Georgeman;29254130]Thats what's Nationalism is about, Preserving your culture and countries, if everyone remained neutral (In a Military sense) then the world would be a happy place, The EU is not the answer, it is not neutral, it wants to take control of the member states economies, centralise the industries at the cost of most of the member states and you cannot leave it as well (as you need to go through there court system)[/QUOTE]
You're confusing the borders of countries with the borders of cultures again
Cultures don't have borders actually
A National campaign to promote Pregnancy (In adults not teenager derr!) is the solution and things will stabalise and grow again (Not a short term solution, but will work)
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;29254214]You're confusing the borders of countries with the borders of cultures again
Cultures don't have borders actually[/QUOTE]
Please Explain how Russian and Chinease Cultures happened then?
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