A Chinese Go player "Master" beat 60 of the world's top Go players; it was AlphaGo in disguise - Polidicks

[URL="https://qz.com/877721/the-ai-master-bested-the-worlds-top-go-players-and-then-revealed-itself-as-googles-alphago-in-disguise/?google_editors_picks=true"]https://qz.com/877721/the-ai-master-bested-the-worlds-top-go-players-and-then-revealed-itself-as-googles-alphago-in-disguise/?google_editors_picks=true[/URL] [QUOTE]When Google’s artificial intelligence program AlphaGo made history by taking down Korea’s Lee Sedol—one of the world’s best Go players—in a landslide 4-1 victory in March, Chinese player Ke Jie was skeptical. He famously wrote on Weibo the next day, “Even if AlphaGo can defeat Lee Sedol, it can’t beat me,” and has since agreed to take on the AI at an undecided time. But now even Ke, the reigning top-ranked Go player, has acknowledged that human beings are no match for robots in the complex board game, after he lost three games to an AI that mysteriously popped up online in recent days. The AI turned out to be AlphaGo in disguise. On Jan. 4, after winning more than 50 games against several of the world’s best Go players, Ke included, a user registered with an ID of “Master” on two Chinese board game platforms came forward to identify itself as AlphaGo.[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/demishassabis/status/816660463282954240[/media]

Fucking skynet will disguise itself as trump and nuke the shit out of the world

I heard something a while ago that made me optimistic for the future of AI and human relations. When world champion chess players played with AI they started to learn how to think in the mindset of the AI and learned entirely new strategies humans aren't intelligent enough to create and actually started to beat the AI after a while. AI aren't the only ones who benefit from increased intelligence of AI because we can learn from them in ways our brain wouldn't consider.

"It was me Jie, it was me all along!" Not sure what to think. It is impressive in power, but is it actually an advancement in AI, rather than processing power?

[QUOTE=Llamalord;51628537]I heard something a while ago that made me optimistic for the future of AI and human relations. When world champion chess players played with AI they started to learn how to think in the mindset of the AI and learned entirely new strategies and actually started to beat the AI after a while. AI aren't the only ones who benefit from increased intelligence of AI because we can learn from them in ways our brain wouldn't consider.[/QUOTE] It's not really learning from the AI; Chess champions would be doing that against human players all of the time. Everyone has a distinctive playing style, and it's just the matter of them getting into their opponent's head to predict their next moves, and then using that against them.

[QUOTE=Sasupoika;51628556]"It was me Jie, it was me all along!" Not sure what to think. It is impressive in power, but is it actually an advancement in AI, rather than processing power?[/QUOTE] Yes. The set of possible Go games is [I]vastly[/I] too big to do anything close to brute force, so the AI has to actually have smart techniques to pick an advantageous next move. In fact the number of legal Go board positions on a 19x19 board is significantly more than the number of elementary particles in the observable universe squared.

Am i the only one that hadn't even heard of Go before?

[QUOTE=aydin690;51628598]Am i the only one that hadn't even heard of Go before?[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyYyr9Cfxss[/media] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)[/url] Literal translation of the chinese name is "encirclement chess"

[QUOTE=aydin690;51628598]Am i the only one that hadn't even heard of Go before?[/QUOTE] I know of Go... but I the only Go that came to mind until I read the post halfway was CS:GO. Needless to say, I was rather confused about a CS:GO bot beating 60 people.

[QUOTE=BF;51628559]It's not really learning from the AI; Chess champions would be doing that against human players all of the time. Everyone has a distinctive playing style, and it's just the matter of them getting into their opponent's head to predict their next moves, and then using that against them.[/QUOTE] The point is that the AI's machine learning, game theory, memory, and intelligence are exceeding any world champion because the AI is developing magnum opus strategies in real time which our brain structures can't create without being shown first by the AI.

[QUOTE=aydin690;51628598]Am i the only one that hadn't even heard of Go before?[/QUOTE] i'm sure you've seen it but never knew what it was called [t]https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Go-Board-overhead.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=meppers;51628707]i'm sure you've seen it but never knew what it was called [t]https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Go-Board-overhead.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Thanks for this, that's a lovely wallpaper. [editline]5th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;51628682][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyYyr9Cfxss[/media] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)[/url] Literal translation of the chinese name is "encirclement chess"[/QUOTE] I was hoping this was going to be one of those ones where they fuck something up horrifically. Iirc it was featured in a TV show and they set the board up with the pieces all [I]in[/I] the squares :v:

So when is the Turing Test?

Gotta hate smurfs

I've actually played go a little bit, it's a lot of fun and you guys should check it out. It's really a beautiful game; deceptively simple in its rules, yet exceedingly complex in gameplay. I like it a lot more than chess thanks to its elegance. I'm not very good at it, though :v: [url]http://playgo.to/iwtg/en/[/url]

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51628579] In fact the number of legal Go board positions on a 19x19 board is [B]significantly more than the number of elementary particles in the observable universe squared[/B].[/QUOTE] ive heard theres more chess positions than atoms in universe

I thought this was about Pokemon Go until halfway through the article.

I never knew about go until I watched Hikaru no Go. Good anime series.

[QUOTE=darth-veger;51628762]So when is the Turing Test?[/QUOTE] Wouldn't this count?

[QUOTE=sYnced;51628947]ive heard theres more chess positions than atoms in universe[/QUOTE] I think by elementary particles he means the particles that atoms are made of Squared

wholesome, benevolent AI overlords who only want to teach us the secrets of millenary board games? I'd be down with that future, especially if they come up with an AlphaCheckers.

[QUOTE=EcksDee;51630705]I think by elementary particles he means the particles that atoms are made of Squared[/QUOTE] Yep. There are about 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times as many legal Go positions than there are legal chess positions. Hence why it took almost two decades longer for computers to beat Go masters than chess masters.

[QUOTE=Llamalord;51628691]The point is that the AI's machine learning, game theory, memory, and intelligence are exceeding any world champion because the AI is developing magnum opus strategies in real time which our brain structures can't create without being shown first by the AI.[/QUOTE] Do you have any reason to think that our brains can't create those strategies? I'm pretty sure the AI are just doing things that are traditionally weird. I don't see any reason to suspect that given enough time we would not be able to develop those strategies ourselves

[QUOTE=doom1337;51631100]Do you have any reason to think that our brains can't create those strategies? I'm pretty sure the AI are just doing things that are traditionally weird. I don't see any reason to suspect that given enough time we would not be able to develop those strategies ourselves[/QUOTE] Well, we haven't at least for chess as far as I know. The top chess AIs are not consistently beatable by human players.