Britain's Cameron seeks ban on high-powered semi-automatic weapons - Polidicks

[QUOTE] British PM David Cameron will call for an EU-wide ban on certain highly dangerous weapons as part of a plan to tackle terrorism, his office says. EU leaders will meet this week to discuss the ongoing terror threat. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.dw.com/en/britains-cameron-seeks-ban-on-high-powered-semi-automatic-weapons/a-18914885[/url]

They're not already banned?

That's not gonna do shit you knob head

Here we go again

[QUOTE=UberMunchkin;49310933]It's for the entirety of the EU, not just the UK.[/QUOTE] Didn't they want out of the EU or did that change?

[QUOTE=Recurracy;49310943]Didn't they want out of the EU or did that change?[/QUOTE] Nah, only the grumpy old people and morons wanted to leave.

While it's a fair enough proposal, I'm surprised Cameron thinks he has enough pull to push something like this.

Um, a lot of nations in the EU practice and enjoy their firearms freedoms. It's not OK for Britain to go around trying to force their wonderland laws on everyone else considering they never made a measurable impact on crime to begin with.

Sounds like reasonable legislation for Europe. A lot of it seems to be focusing on cracking down on the illegal firearms trade in the Balkans too, and generally dealing a few punches to the international arms trade.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49310984]Um, a lot of nations in the EU practice and enjoy their firearms freedoms. It's not OK for Britain to go around trying to force their wonderland laws on everyone else considering they never made a measurable impact on crime to begin with.[/QUOTE] But they did make a measurable impact on fatalities (and crimes involving guns) which was the point.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;49311001]But they did make a measurable impact on fatalities (and crimes involving guns) which was the point.[/QUOTE] But they didn't even scratch at any of the catalysts for crime in the first place. They're just using different weapons. You can't take away all the toys and expect the kids not to play. "Ban guns" is a lazy, ineffective feel good solution. Fatalities are one detail of a crime, I care a lot more that people are being put in these positions to begin with whether they're killed or not. Legislators like to pretend banning the weapons will end the crimes, but all it does is hassle responsible law-abiding citizens with legal hobbies.

Great. Finally something good that the government is going to do.

What a great move. Banning something means that it completely goes away forever, after all. Quite like how if you put a sheet over an object, it actually disappears, and how if you close your eyes, you turn invisible.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49311013]But they didn't even scratch at any of the catalysts for crime in the first place. They're just using different weapons. You can't take away all the toys and expect the kids not to play. "Ban guns" is a lazy, ineffective feel good solution. Fatalities are one detail of a crime, I care a lot more that people are being put in these positions to begin with whether they're killed or not. Legislators like to pretend banning the weapons will end the crimes, but all it does is hassle responsible law-abiding citizens with legal hobbies.[/QUOTE] For Americans, perhaps. It's worked well for us, which is presumably why Cameronbot is suggesting it.

[QUOTE=Adam.GameDev;49310928]They're not already banned?[/QUOTE] no, you can get semi ARs in the UK with a straight pull bolt i don't see the point in the ban. most firearm crimes commited in the UK are done with handguns, which are already completely illegal. [quote=Wikipedia]Long-barrelled shotgun = 288 Sawn-off shotgun = 165 Handgun = 2,256 Rifle = 43 Imitation firearm = 1,225 Unidentified firearm = 725 Other firearm = 456 Air weapons = 2,977[/quote] Cameron talking out of his ass yet again. we need better regulation on shotgun licenses and handgun trade, not this shit that affects competition shooters only.

Europeans where you at to tell these American gun owners they live in America. If I recall correctly that something they do vice versa every thread when it's related to guns and America.

What Europe really needs is put a gun in the hands of every man, women, and child. That'll stop those pesky criminals. If everyone has a gun no one will commit a crime. Genius.

This is fucking stupid, kinda surprising hes putting forward this when there already was a similiar motion to ban all semi-automatic guns in the EU.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49311013]But they didn't even scratch at any of the catalysts for crime in the first place. They're just using different weapons. You can't take away all the toys and expect the kids not to play. "Ban guns" is a lazy, ineffective feel good solution. Fatalities are one detail of a crime, I care a lot more that people are being put in these positions to begin with whether they're killed or not. Legislators like to pretend banning the weapons will end the crimes, but all it does is hassle responsible law-abiding citizens with legal hobbies.[/QUOTE] That's not the fucking point. Banning guns saves lives. I don't give a damn if crime rates don't drop, I don't want people to die. We can do other things to affect crime, I'm more fucking concerned about people. And no, banning guns is not a "feel good" solution, at least not in general. The Assault Weapons Ban was a feel good measure. Effective bans or restrictions like the ones currently in the UK are saving people's lives.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49311153]That's not the fucking point. Banning guns saves lives. I don't give a damn if crime rates don't drop, I don't want people to die. We can do other things to affect crime, I'm more fucking concerned about people. And no, banning guns is not a "feel good" solution, at least not in general. The Assault Weapons Ban was a feel good measure. Effective bans or restrictions like the ones currently in the UK are saving people's lives.[/QUOTE] this ban isnt saving anyone's lives. especially in the UK [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] well executed regulation works better than bans do.

way to use 130 corpses as a podium, you fucking twit. the guns used in the france massacres were [I]already illegal.[/I] do you think men willing to indiscriminately spray a theater crowd with automatic fire will be stopped by a law banning such weapons?

[QUOTE=Aide;49311110]Europeans where you at to tell these American gun owners they live in America. If I recall correctly that something they do vice versa every thread when it's related to guns and America.[/QUOTE] Many European countries allow civilian firearms ownership. Britain should not be trying to make Italy [del]or Poland[/del] or anyone else give up their guns by trying to force it with the EU. That's not what the EU is for. [editline]13th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TornadoAP;49311153]That's not the fucking point. Banning guns saves lives. I don't give a damn if crime rates don't drop, I don't want people to die. We can do other things to affect crime, I'm more fucking concerned about people. And no, banning guns is not a "feel good" solution, at least not in general. The Assault Weapons Ban was a feel good measure. Effective bans or restrictions like the ones currently in the UK are saving people's lives.[/QUOTE] Banning guns is literally the definition of a feel good solution. People still try to kill each other with or without guns, ergo the gun ban has no effect except to demonize and rob a majority of people who aren't doing anything wrong and marginally inconvenience a minority of people who are. If you go after the reasons people are trying to kill each other instead of the tools they occasionally use you won't need to criminalize millions of legal gun owners.

They ain't gonna take our Finnish guns, hunting especially with semi-auto shotguns is an absolutely massive deal here, and we have a very Murrica-like mentality of national defense being aided by guerrilla citizens in case our main army gets rolled over by Russia If the EU fucks up the Finnish gun scene, the backlash is going to be as immense as if guns were banned in America

[QUOTE=.Lain;49311097]no, you can get semi ARs in the UK with a straight pull bolt[/QUOTE] Yeah, they're not semi-auto, they're effectively bolt-action conversions of firearms that were originally semi-auto. Cadets even use bolt-action L85s because of the law. [editline]14th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Orkel;49311186]They ain't gonna take our Finnish guns, hunting especially with semi-auto shotguns is an absolutely massive deal here, and we have a very Murrica-like mentality of national defense being aided by guerrilla citizens in case our main army gets rolled over by Russia If the EU fucks up the Finnish gun scene, the backlash is going to be as immense as if guns were banned in America[/QUOTE] Semi-auto shotguns are legal in the UK, provided they don't exceed the capacity of 3 shells - IIRC if it does you'd need a firearms license rather than a shotgun license, the latter being a much bigger ballache to acquire as I understand it

[QUOTE=Morbo!!!;49311199]Yeah, they're not semi-auto, they're effectively bolt-action conversions of firearms that were originally semi-auto. Cadets even use bolt-action L85s because of the law.[/QUOTE] I know, but you can still operate them at relatively high rates of fire considering the side charge handles and stuff you can get make it insanely easy to cycle the gun

Aren't there already people scared of the EU becoming more like the US (as in a federal union of States, not just an economic union), isn't this only going to fuel that sentiment more?

wait so he's a euroskeptic who opposes EU regulations that infringe on british sovernty, but he wants to use the EU to impose british gun laws on everybody else?

[QUOTE=.Lain;49311097]no, you can get semi ARs in the UK with a straight pull bolt[/QUOTE] [quote]semi[/quote] [quote]straight-pull[/quote] Wrong. You have to pick one. Can't be both. In case you didn't know the difference, semi-auto means that it'll fire once when you pull the trigger, and the bolt will cycle and load a new round automatically. It won't fire again untill you pull the trigger again. Full-auto means that it'll keep shooting whilst you've got the trigger pulled untill the magazine is empty. And of course, select-fire allows you to switch between those two modes, but that's irrelevant here. Straight-pull bolt-actions require you to manually cycle the bolt after every shot. A straight-pull bolt-action rifle is not a semi-auto by any stretch of the imagination. You can convert traditionally semi-automatic rifles to straight-pull bolt-actions, which is why we can have AR-15s and such over here. You could probably convert them back without much hassle, but that'd be incredibly illegal. The only semi-autos we can have over here are shotguns, pistols, and .22lr rifles.

[QUOTE=Lium;49311096]For Americans, perhaps. It's worked well for us, which is presumably why Cameronbot is suggesting it.[/QUOTE] Portugal doesn't has much gun violence either, if any. It's not that hard to get a gun, but...

[QUOTE=FloaterTWO;49311224]Wrong. You have to pick one. Can't be both. In case you didn't know the difference, semi-auto means that it'll fire once when you pull the trigger, and the bolt will cycle and load a new round automatically. It won't fire again untill you pull the trigger again. Full-auto means that it'll keep shooting whilst you've got the trigger pulled untill the magazine is empty. And of course, select-fire allows you to switch between those two modes, but that's irrelevant here. Straight-pull bolt-actions require you to manually cycle the bolt after every shot. A straight-pull bolt-action rifle is not a semi-auto by any stretch of the imagination. You can convert traditionally semi-automatic rifles to straight-pull bolt-actions, which is why we can have AR-15s and such over here. The only semi-autos we can have over here are shotguns, pistols, and .22lr rifles.[/QUOTE] I was wondering why the law states that semi-autos are only legal if the bullet diameter is below 5.6mm, yet ARs are in 5.56. As it turns out, the diameter of the 5.56 bullet is actually 5.7mm, which just doesn't make sense to me