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[QUOTE=BBC News]Cornish people will be granted minority status under European rules for the protection of national minorities.
Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander will make the announcement on a visit to the county later.
Dick Cole, leader of Cornish independence party Mebyon Kernow, said: "This is a fantastic development. This is a proud day for Cornwall."
The Cornish will gain the same status as other Celtic communities the Scots, Welsh and Irish.
Mr Alexander, who is due to visit Bodmin, said: "Cornish people have a proud history and a distinct identity.
"I am delighted that we have been able to officially recognise this and afford the Cornish people the same status as other minorities in the UK."[/QUOTE]
A proud day for us indeed. Conservation for our bizarre legends and definitely-not-extinct language! [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TvCqC2w.gif[/IMG]
I didn't even know the Cornish independence party was a thing.
I didn't even know the Cornish existed anymore. Isn't there like 500 speakers of Cornish now?
(Dis)United Kingdom
The only thing I know about the Cornish is that I used to think Brick Tamland in Anchorman said he once pooped a "[b]Cornish gay man[/b]," not a "Cornish game hen."
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Good for them, though.
I am the great Cornwallio
I need pasties for my piehole
[QUOTE=RobbL;44632232]I am the great Cornwallio
I need pasties for my piehole[/QUOTE]Are you threatening me?
Ah, a Celtic language. For anyone who doesn't know, these people's culture stood strong against Germanization for over a [b]millennium[/b]. Very cool stuff. We should keep more of these languages around. They are one of the puzzle pieces to the ancient and lost Indo-European language(s). Indo-European itself was the mother language of everything Germanic, Celtic, Latin, Ugric and Slavic. There probably wasn't just one exact language, but for some reason, all European languages have interesting similarities.
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If I ever get around to fully learning German, I will for sure learn a Celtic language next.
[QUOTE=KD007;44632309]Indo-European itself was the mother language of everything Germanic, Celtic, Latin, Ugric and Slavic. There probably wasn't just one exact language, but for some reason, all European languages have interesting similarities.[/QUOTE]
Not only those languages but it is also the mother langauge of the Indo-Persian areas as well. That's why there are so many cognates between European languages and Sanskrit (and hence Hindi).
I was just thinking that I forgot to mention those :v:
The Cornish exist?
The language died out hundreds of years ago and was reconstructed, It's populated with English people now. I'm not even sure why the Cornish are even wanting independence.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44632526]The Cornish exist?
The language died out hundreds of years ago and was reconstructed, It's populated with English people now. I'm not even sure why the Cornish are even wanting independence.[/QUOTE]
This has nothing to do with independence
[QUOTE=Tuskin;44632554]This has nothing to do with independence[/QUOTE]
[quote]Dick Cole, leader of [b]Cornish independence party[/b] Mebyon Kernow, said: "This is a fantastic development. This is a proud day for Cornwall."[/quote]
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Oh jeeze how did I miss that.
they're more neo-cornish than anything else, cornish as a ethnicity is far too watered down and non-existent.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;44632526]The Cornish exist?
The language died out hundreds of years ago and was reconstructed, It's populated with English people now. I'm not even sure why the Cornish are even wanting independence.[/QUOTE]
Well, here's an example:
You live by the standards of culture X, and are outnumbered by culture Y in the same country. Even if you don't take who was there first into account, you deserve minority status. Simple. That is, unless you and everyone else of culture X decide to bury the history.
Whether or not humans should all assimilate is a different debate. It is likely to happen due to globalization anyway :(
Gonna be a boring life 1000 years from now.
Next up, the Wessex Independence Party will be clamoring for recognition.
[QUOTE=KD007;44632612]Well, here's an example:
You live by the standards of culture X, and are outnumbered by culture Y in the same country. Even if you don't take who was there first into account, you deserve minority status. Simple. That is, unless you and everyone else of culture X decide to bury the history.[/quote]
The Cornish more or less slowly became English over time, up until the 1700s when they more or less died out. Nowadays I don't really see any real reason to try inventing a new identity and culture loosely based around that one, largely because they happened to be in the same geographical area.
[quote]Whether or not humans should all assimilate is a different debate. It is likely to happen due to globalization anyway :(
Gonna be a boring life 1000 years from now.[/QUOTE]
It won't be boring in a thousand years. People will keep inventing new cultures, while taking bits from other cultures and modifying them and taking them to new places.
Some complain that it's cultural appropriation, but without that we'd never get anywhere. Most of the worlds cultures and "traditions" are all relatively recent and have often stolen bits from other cultures, most especially in the 20th century.
In a thousand years we'll have just as many cultures, if not more.
Yes, their culture may have taken impact, however, the whole beauty of it is that the Cornish descendants of today are finding texts and monuments of their ancestors, finding out what they used to do and how they went about it, the languages, etc. After that, they decided to embrace it. You're right, not everything deserves minority status. I mean, I can't learn ancient Latin and go around claiming to be an old Roman minority.
Having said that, if there are any people that can only speak one language, Cornish, then it is actually [i]crucial[/i] that a minority status be issued. Otherwise, they would be [i]legally[/i] falling into some disabled category, seeing as they can't speak the country's official language. This is clearly not the case. However, I have no idea if there are any people left like that. Can anyone confirm?
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It won't be boring in a thousand years. People will keep inventing new cultures, while taking bits from other cultures and modifying them and taking them to new places.
Some complain that it's cultural appropriation, but without that we'd never get anywhere. Most of the worlds cultures and "traditions" are all relatively recent and have often stolen bits from other cultures, most especially in the 20th century.
In a thousand years we'll have just as many cultures, if not more.[/QUOTE]
I disagree with this, people are more mobile now that will cause society to become more homogenous. As more become more mobile they will move around more, as a slightly anecdotal embellishment, previously people in my area (near tameside) originally lived in the same area for years, you could recognize people from each town by accent and family name. Now people move from all over you can no longer tell by accent or family name and social media makes memes (not images but behaviour) spread more widely.
People become more similar and as other countries get involved cultures will blend with social media and widely accessible travel meaning they are constantly moving together.
The people from Cornwall I know love to tell people where they're from and about all their Cornish stuff and seem pretty happy about it
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Say Dick Cole 10 times fast.
[QUOTE=Superkilll307;44633935]Say Dick Cole 10 times fast.[/QUOTE]
Dick hole?
8===========D
[QUOTE=KD007;44632309]Ah, a Celtic language. For anyone who doesn't know, these people's culture stood strong against Germanization for over a [b]millennium[/b]. Very cool stuff. We should keep more of these languages around. They are one of the puzzle pieces to the ancient and lost Indo-European language(s). Indo-European itself was the mother language of everything Germanic, Celtic, Latin, Ugric and Slavic. There probably wasn't just one exact language, but for some reason, all European languages have interesting similarities.
[editline]24th April 2014[/editline]
If I ever get around to fully learning German, I will for sure learn a Celtic language next.[/QUOTE]
Ugric languages aren't Indo-European afaik.
At least they aren't modern "Norse" followers, who change the words of Wicca and use it to support racism.
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