Donald Trump denounced by MPs in debate about possible ban - Polidicks

[URL]http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/18/donald-trump-should-be-banned-from-uk-for-inflaming-hate-mp-says[/URL] video: [URL]http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/83208344-218d-4c43-9300-ca78c374b875[/URL] transcript: [URL]https://hansard.digiminster.com/commons/2016-01-18/debates/1601186000001/DonaldTrump[/URL] petition: [URL]https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003[/URL] [QUOTE]Donald Trump was branded a racist demagogue, a buffoon and a “wazzock” in the British parliament as MPs debated whether to ban the Republican presidential candidate from coming to the UK. A series of MPs attacked Trump for his views on Muslims, women, disabled people, global warming and other issues in the three-hour discussion, with some suggesting he was inflaming hate crime against minorities. However, the majority of parliamentarians from both left and right dismissed the idea of banning the businessman and star of The Apprentice in the US, with one saying it would fuel his publicity machine and give him the “halo of victimhood”.[/QUOTE]

IIRC he already has a bad relationship with a ton of countries because how he conducts his business.

do ban him though if he wins.

Nice Free speech, Europe.

[QUOTE=JesseR92;49568313]IIRC he already has a bad relationship with a ton of countries because how he conducts his business.[/QUOTE] I recall something about him wanting some wind farms demolished because they were ruining the view of his golf course.

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568358]Nice Free speech, Europe.[/QUOTE] What? For one, constitutional rights as Americans understand don't apply in the EU. Two, this isn't a violation of free speech and is going through the official channels. If it goes at all. Top quality post here, very well informed.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;49568367]I recall something about him wanting some wind farms demolished because they were ruining the view of his golf course.[/QUOTE] He attempted to bully the Scottish government into demolishing a bunch of wind farms, which they had already built and were supplying a sizable amount of power to several towns and cities, for the exact reason you just described.

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568358]Nice Free speech, Europe.[/QUOTE] Free speech isn't an infinite "get out of jail free card" that means there won't be consequences for saying stupid shit.

he's way too radical to be president, ban him from the states and send him to mexico

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;49568530]Free speech isn't an infinite "get out of jail free card" that means there won't be consequences for saying stupid shit.[/QUOTE] Funny thing, there is far worse shit in Britian and all across Europe that has happened, and yet what Trump said is the worst thing since Hitler even though he never said anything racist. Bafar Mustafa literally got hit with nothing despite actually voicing hate speech on twitter, she somehow indeed got the get-out-of-jail-free card for being a feminist non-white. Like in Germany and Sweden, it all a matter of who you are. Heck, Even Richard Dawkins defended Trump even if he didn't agree with his views.

[QUOTE=L'Citizen;49568520]He attempted to bully the Scottish government into demolishing a bunch of wind farms, which they had already built and were supplying a sizable amount of power to several towns and cities, for the exact reason you just described.[/QUOTE] He also was trying to prevent the (soon to be) offshore wind development at Aberdeen due to it "spoiling the view" from his golf course

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568358]Nice Free speech, Europe.[/QUOTE] 1. UK isn't the US. They put restrictions on free speech, one of those being hate speech. 2. If Trump thinks its okay to ban Muslims from entering the US then I don't see the issue with him getting banned from entering the UK.

[QUOTE=Darth Ninja;49568645]1. UK isn't the US. They put restrictions on free speech, one of those being hate speech. 2. If Trump thinks its okay to ban Muslims from entering the US then I don't see the issue with him getting banned from entering the UK.[/QUOTE] 1. Yes, I'm well aware that European countries are a replica of George Orwells 1984 2. That will work well when he becomes President, he could find a way to really hurt Englands economy. heh [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568683]1. Yes, I'm well aware that European countries are a replica of George Orwells 1984 2. That will work well when he becomes President, he could find a way to really hurt Englands economy. heh[/QUOTE] No he wouldn't? Because he won't become president. Your posts are so hilariously delusional that I'm going to assume you're a troll, because I pity you if you are not [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] If anything, the world we live in has more akin to Huxleys vision than Orwells

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568683]1. Yes, I'm well aware that European countries are a replica of George Orwells 1984 2. That will work well when he becomes President, he could find a way to really hurt Englands economy. heh[/QUOTE] TBH If trump treats Americas economy like he does his personal finances it will be tough times ahead. The whole reason the US dollar is worth so much despite the unbelievable national debt is because America Pays its bills. Trump on the other hand declares bankruptcy on a regular basis,refuses to repay loans,and sues financial institutions for billions if they have the nerve to ask for repayment within the agreed time.

[QUOTE=paindoc;49568694]No he wouldn't? Because he won't become president. Your posts are so hilariously delusional that I'm going to assume you're a troll, because I pity you if you are not [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] If anything, the world we live in has more akin to Huxleys vision than Orwells[/QUOTE] Sure he wont, that's why there isn't several Trump threads on right now and the media going into a massive frenzy every time he says something contraversal. The MSM is absolutely freaking out and panicking at the thought of Donald J Trump becoming the next president. Its the truth.

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568706]Sure he wont, that's why there isn't several Trump threads on right now and the media going into a massive frenzy every time he says something contraversal. The MSM is absolutely freaking out and panicking at the thought of Donald J Trump becoming the next president. Its the truth.[/QUOTE] People went fucking crazy over that "Mayan prophecy" bullshit in 2012, therefore it must have happened, right?

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;49568530]Free speech isn't an infinite "get out of jail free card" that means there won't be consequences for saying stupid shit.[/QUOTE] Though Trump is stupid and I don't support him, I have to disagree here. The whole concept of 'hate speech' is stupider than Trump. If I want to insult someone I should be free to do so and on any basis I want.

[QUOTE=Pitchfork;49568733]People went fucking crazy over that "Mayan prophecy" bullshit in 2012, therefore it must have happened, right?[/QUOTE] I appreciate the optimism, especially comparing it to a fictional event that was pretty much laughed at by everyone. We live in a reality where Trump is leading by a wide margin, and Hillary might get the Democrat nomination. Which makes me wonder, what will progressives do when that happens? That's a difficult position to be in!

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568683]1. Yes, I'm well aware that European countries are a replica of George Orwells 1984 2. That will work well when he becomes President, he could find a way to really hurt Englands economy. heh[/QUOTE] Did you think this post through before writing it? Come on dude.

[QUOTE=Shovel Mech;49568755]Though Trump is stupid and I don't support him, I have to disagree here. The whole concept of 'hate speech' is stupider than Trump. If I want to insult someone I should be free to do so and on any basis I want.[/QUOTE] Inciting racism is a bit different from simply insulting someone.

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568906]I appreciate the optimism, especially comparing it to a fictional event that was pretty much laughed at by everyone. We live in a reality where Trump is leading by a wide margin, and Hillary might get the Democrat nomination. Which makes me wonder, what will progressives do when that happens? That's a difficult position to be in![/QUOTE] Wrong, wrong, wrong. Or just two wrongs. But Trump does not do well amongst general voters, and is beginning to lose ground. Literally just next door in SH [url]http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/[/url] And now even CNN is noticing Sanders rapidly closing the gap on Clinton [url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/new-hampshire-cnn-wmur-poll-democrats/index.html[/url] [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/new-hampshire-poll-democrats-full-results/index.html"](link to actual poll)[/URL] edit: I mean for fucks sake, Sanders has a 91%(!) favorability rating among those surveyed- about 420 people on BOTH sides of the aisles. Thats fuckhuge!

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568906]I appreciate the optimism, especially comparing it to [B]a fictional event that was pretty much laughed at by everyone.[/B] We live in a reality where Trump is leading by a wide margin, and Hillary might get the Democrat nomination. Which makes me wonder, what will progressives do when that happens? That's a difficult position to be in![/QUOTE] Implying Trump isn't a fictional event laughed at by everyone.

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568358]Nice Free speech, Europe.[/QUOTE] Hate speech is not protected speech

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568683] 2. That will work well when he becomes President, he could find a way to really hurt Englands economy. heh[/QUOTE] Totally, let's just fuck up another country's economy because they're banning him from entering. Fuck things up for hundreds of thousands of other people as revenge for one fucking person being blocked from going to England even though he'd probably never go there since he's too busy with his nationalistic hard-on for America. That's using your noodle there, cap'n, fuck everyone but America.

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568683]1. Yes, I'm well aware that European countries are a replica of George Orwells 1984 2. That will work well when he becomes President, he could find a way to really hurt Englands economy. heh[/QUOTE] i beg you all, please don't post anymore about his first point there is a large telescreen behind me and if they see that post again they'll beat me with belts and wifflebats

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568587]Funny thing, there is far worse shit in Britian and all across Europe that has happened, and yet what Trump said is the worst thing since Hitler even though he never said anything racist. Bafar Mustafa literally got hit with nothing despite actually voicing hate speech on twitter, she somehow indeed got the get-out-of-jail-free card for being a feminist non-white. Like in Germany and Sweden, it all a matter of who you are. Heck, Even Richard Dawkins defended Trump even if he didn't agree with his views.[/QUOTE] Influence and power. Trump is running to be the president of [I]the[/I] most influential and powerful country in the world. Boycotting Trump is more important than boycotting some random racist mayor or whatever, because it shows the rest of the world that a huge number of people in high places think he's a total dick

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568683]1. Yes, I'm well aware that European countries are a replica of George Orwells 1984[/quote] Are you being serious here? The US itself doesn't even have true free speech so its asinine to criticize European nations for not having it. [quote] 2. That will work well when he becomes President, he could find a way to really hurt Englands economy. heh[/QUOTE] Yeah worsening trade relations with one of our biggest allies and trade partners in Europe is a great way to ruin [I]our[/I] economy. [editline]20th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568706]Sure he wont, that's why there isn't several Trump threads on right now and the media going into a massive frenzy every time he says something contraversal. The MSM is absolutely freaking out and panicking at the thought of Donald J Trump becoming the next president. Its the truth.[/QUOTE] Everyone should be panicking about the remote possibility of Trump getting into office. Even if his economic policies are sound (they aren't) his social views are straight out of the 1800's.

Pretty sure SpotEnemyBoat is just trolling.

[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;49568683]1. Yes, I'm well aware that European countries are a replica of George Orwells 1984 2. That will work well when he becomes President, he could find a way to really hurt Englands economy. heh[/QUOTE] I've never even noticed that we don't have total free speech because I've never given any hate speeches. We have the freedom of speech to decide amongst ourselves that the guy you [I]might[/I] elect as President is a fucking idiot and we're not keen on him. We haven't banned anybody, we've just talked about it. How very Orwellian of us... We might live in a heavily CCTV'd country but I can walk up to Downing St. if I wanted to and shout "CUNT" at number 10 without being shot. Infact, I have done. You're laughing about hurting England's economy when we're your closest fucking ally, are you completely deranged? Jesus Christ your post is just fucked in every way. People like you are partly responsible for giving your countrymen a bad name, internationally. As far as I'm concerned the US and the UK are blood brothers of history, and our politics/trade/relations shows that. I wouldn't in a million years wish for the US' economy to crumble.