Is the GOP's stop Trump campaign too late? Speaker Ryan rules himself out as a last minute nominee
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[quote]he Republican Party is waking up -- but it might already be too late.
Donald Trump's stroll toward the GOP presidential nomination is starting to turn the denial evident for months among key party power brokers to desperation. The mood of some in the party was aptly summed up Thursday by Republican lobbyist and former congressman Vin Weber on CNN's "The Lead" with Jake Tapper.
[B]"All of a sudden, everybody is saying 'Oh My God — the house is burning down we should have done something before it got this far,'"[/B] said Weber, who is supporting John Kasich in the presidential race and is calling on the party to unite behind the Ohio Governor.
Sen. Marco Rubio, who pulled out of the presidential race on Tuesday after failing to take down Trump, had a grim assessment of the Republican Party's state of play on his first day back at work in the Senate on Thursday.
"Hopefully there's time to still prevent a Trump nomination, which I think would fracture the party and be damaging to the conservative movement," Rubio told reporters.
[B]Anti-Trump forces are getting a sense of the backlash they'd face if they deny him the nomination. Trump warned earlier this week on CNN's "New Day" that the convention could deteriorate into a "riot" if he is blocked from power.[/B]
And on Friday, a top Trump aide threatened to give up his credentials as a convention delegate and leave the Republican Party in a stark warning to the GOP about the "consequences" if Trump is blocked from the nomination.
[B]"I will tell you this, if the Republican Party comes into that convention and jimmies with the rules and takes away the will of the people, the will of the Republicans and the Democrats and Independents who voted for Mr. Trump, I will take off my credentials, I will leave the floor of that convention, and I will leave the Republican Party forever," Sam Clovis, a national co-chair for Trump's campaign, said Friday on "New Day."[/B] :toxx:
[B]The most fundamental weakness in any organized effort to stop Trump in the remaining contests in the Republican nomination is the math after more than half the states have voted.[/B]
[B]The billionaire only needs to win 55.5% of the remaining delegates to be awarded, according to a CNN estimate.
Although he has only won 47% of the delegates awarded so far, the field, now consisting of just Trump, Cruz and Kasich, is much narrower than before and some contests are now winner take all affairs and do not hand out delegates proportionally as was the case in many previous contests.[/B]
Republican political strategist Phillip Stutts said the next six weeks will be crucial in defining whether any attempt to deprive Trump of the nomination would even be possible.
[B]"If Trump is not slowed down, there is not a convention fight to be had,"[/B] Stutts said, pointing to a set of northeastern primaries on April 26 in Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island as critical to foes bent on stopping Trump.
"Donald Trump is the will of the people. We need to listen to the people, back his candidacy and win in November," said Florida Gov. Rick Scott on CNN's "The Lead" with Jake Tapper on Thursday.
[B]Hopes that a compromise candidate could emerge at a contested convention also took a blow on Thursday when House Speaker Paul Ryan ruled himself out — though he admitted that a delegate showdown was becoming more likely in Cleveland.
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As the idea of the first contested convention in decades is gathering steam, the institutional leadership of the [B]Republican Party finds itself in an unenviable position.[/B][/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/18/politics/donald-trump-republican-conservatives/index.html[/url]
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And people are still questioning why they should vote Trump for the primaries. It'll literally cause the destruction of the GOP.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49958831]And people are still questioning why they should vote Trump for the primaries. It'll literally cause the destruction of the GOP.[/QUOTE]
If the GOP refuses to listen to it's base, then it needs to be destroyed.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49958831]And people are still questioning why they should vote Trump for the primaries. It'll literally cause the destruction of the GOP.[/QUOTE]
Yea because of how terrible his policys will be, its not worth electing a terrible president to cripple a political party.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49958831]And people are still questioning why they should vote Trump for the primaries. It'll literally cause the destruction of the GOP.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty certain that if, god forbid, Trump gets to the convention and wins the nomination he will have the solid backing of the GOP whether they like it or not - the cost is another 4 to 8 years of the Democrats in the White House if they don't.
[editline]18th March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;49958843]If the GOP refuses to listen to it's base, then it needs to be destroyed.[/QUOTE]
Trump supporters are just a vocal minority in the GOP, not "the base"
What are the chances that the GOP splits into two and we end up having a third party as big as the Democrats and Republicans? Is that a possibility?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49958849]Trump supporters are just a vocal minority in the GOP, not "the base"[/QUOTE]
Sure, the guy who is in the lead got there by a "minority". You're just trying way to hard now...
[QUOTE=Killer900;49958868]What are the chances that the GOP splits into two and we end up having a third party as big as the Democrats and Republicans? Is that a possibility?[/QUOTE]
Happened in 1992. Had Ross Perot not gone rogue, it was almost inevitable that Bill Clinton would of lost the 92' election. Hell, maybe even the 96' election.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49958849]I'm pretty certain that if, god forbid, Trump gets to the convention and wins the nomination he will have the solid backing of the GOP whether they like it or not - the cost is another 4 to 8 years of the Democrats in the White House if they don't.
[editline]18th March 2016[/editline]
Trump supporters are just a vocal minority in the GOP, not "the base"[/QUOTE]
HAHAHA really? A minority? Hence why he's winning for the GOP? Because it's a minority? Really? You wanna think about what you just said?
[QUOTE=Britain;49958896]HAHAHA really? A minority? Hence why he's winning for the GOP? Because it's a minority? Really? You wanna think about what you just said?[/QUOTE]
Jeez you guys don't think about stuff. Its entirely possible for a candidate who is supported by a minority within a party to win. The votes could all be fractured between different candidates or perhaps the voters for one candidate could have more drive to go out and vote. No that I really agree with what Scorpious just said but good Lord think.
[QUOTE=Britain;49958896]HAHAHA really? A minority? Hence why he's winning for the GOP? Because it's a minority? Really? You wanna think about what you just said?[/QUOTE]
More than 60% of GOP primary votes so far have been cast for candidates other than Trump - he has support from a plurality of GOP voters, not a majority.
[QUOTE=Britain;49958896]HAHAHA really? A minority? Hence why he's winning for the GOP? Because it's a minority? Really? You wanna think about what you just said?[/QUOTE]
please actually think about this a bit more before flying off the rails
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49958922]No democratic voter is going to swing to Trump. They only have two candidates and once Bernie loses they will be united behind Hillary.[/QUOTE]
No, I agree, that's not what I was trying to say.
There's a ton of people on this very forum who are so hellbent on saying "Shillary" as many times as possible so they go from Bernie to Trump.
It's baffling honestly.
yeah that "two thirds don't want you" shit doesn't work
that means even less want the other candidates
[QUOTE=Pascall;49958958]There's a ton of people on this very forum who are so hellbent on saying "Shillary" as many times as possible so they go from Bernie to Trump.
It's baffling honestly.[/QUOTE]
All the justifications I've heard from people who say they'll vote Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination have been horrendous. I remember someone on FP saying he'd rather have Trump than a corporate puppet.
You'd rather have a rich corporate CEO be president than someone who will be influenced by rich corporate CEOs...?
They see Hillary as an enemy in the way of Bernie, so they direct their campaign to destroying her as much as possible and in their hatred are self destructive to their own goals.
It's no different to how the Communists of Germany focused all their attention on bringing down the Social Democrats in the early 20th century.
Hillary is a shady liar but at least she hasn't threatened to deport my family.
That's kind of important to me.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;49959006]All the justifications I've heard from people who say they'll vote Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination have been horrendous. I remember someone on FP saying he'd rather have Trump than a corporate puppet.
You'd rather have a rich corporate CEO be president than someone who will be influenced by rich corporate CEOs...?[/QUOTE]
The Guardian recently had an article about the Sanders supporters who would vote for Trump
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/13/bernie-sanders-supporters-consider-donald-trump-no-hillary-clinton[/url]
They also concluded that it's not a significant number of people and Clinton probably doesn't need to care
[editline]18th March 2016[/editline]
To me what's actually weirder is that a lot of people seem to take for granted that Clinton wouldn't stand a chance against Trump, whereas I don't think Trump stands a chance against virtually anybody in the general election.
Hillary is shady but she hasn't threatened to take down Medicaid which is how I get my medications for my mental illness.
I'll take her over any republican on any day of the week.
It's wonderful to see the GOP implode on itself.
They brought this on themselves. They will lose the Congress along with no chance of getting the White House at all.
Some of (a lot on this forum) Bernie Sander's supporters are such hypocrites.
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-on-why-he-wont-run-as-in-independent/[/url]
[quote]Sanders said he thought about running as independent in the first place, but decided not to.
"[B]What I did not want to do is run as a third party candidate, take votes away from the Democratic candidate and help elect some right-wing Republican[/B]. I did not want responsibility for that. So what I said at the beginning of the campaign is that I was not going to run as an independent. And I say it now, that if I do not win this process I will not run as an independent."[/quote]
I don't get how one person can jump from a far-left Socialist to a far-right Corporatist. Far-left Socialism and far-right Capitalism are diametrically opposing ideologies. So to hear someone say they are going to go from socialist, to pro-corporate tells me the person is inconceivably dumb.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;49959006]All the justifications I've heard from people who say they'll vote Trump if Bernie doesn't get the nomination have been horrendous. I remember someone on FP saying he'd rather have Trump than a corporate puppet.
[B]You'd rather have a rich corporate CEO be president than someone who will be influenced by rich corporate CEOs...?[/B][/QUOTE]
That reminds me of the line from Shadowrun: Hong Kong where one of your teammates tells you "In the US, the corporations run the government. Here in Hong Kong, the corporations ARE the government"
[QUOTE=smurfy;49959036]The Guardian recently had an article about the Sanders supporters who would vote for Trump
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/13/bernie-sanders-supporters-consider-donald-trump-no-hillary-clinton[/url]
They also concluded that it's not a significant number of people and Clinton probably doesn't need to care
[editline]18th March 2016[/editline]
To me what's actually weirder is that a lot of people seem to take for granted that [B]Clinton [/B]wouldn't stand a chance against [B]Clinton[/B], whereas I don't think Trump stands a chance against virtually anybody in the general election.[/QUOTE]
Did I read that wrong or are you saying that Hillary wouldn't stand a chance against herself...?
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;49959091]Did I read that wrong or are you saying that Hillary wouldn't stand a chance against herself...?[/QUOTE]
doh fixed
[QUOTE=Starpluck;49959081]Some of (a lot on this forum) Bernie Sander's supporters are such hypocrites.
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-on-why-he-wont-run-as-in-independent/[/url]
I don't get how one person can jump from a far-left Socialist to a far-right Corporatist. Far-left Socialism and far-right Capitalism are diametrically opposing ideologies. So to hear someone say they are going to go from socialist, to pro-corporate tells me the person is inconceivably dumb.[/QUOTE]
They are not serious in thier political beliefs, letting thier emotions guide thier vote.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;49958922]No democratic voter is going to swing to Trump. They only have two candidates and once Bernie loses they will be united behind Hillary.[/QUOTE]
Bernie-supporter, but will vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't get nominated.
Have fun trying to decipher me and other people.
Trump could go up against a potted plant and Democrats would come out in droves to vote for that fucking potted plant, and maybe Republicans who saw the death of their party would vote for that potted plant too. A lot of people hate Trump that much.
[QUOTE=Tudd;49959117]Bernie-supporter, but will vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't get nominated.
Have fun trying to decipher me and other people.[/QUOTE]
You are someone who likes to follow the crowd, likes a simpleton candidate and is easily persuaded by cheap salesman tactics and trumped up buzzwords. Its not that difficult.
[QUOTE=Tudd;49959117]Bernie-supporter, but will vote for Trump if Sanders doesn't get nominated.
Have fun trying to decipher me and other people.[/QUOTE]
I would call you an accelerationist but I don't think you've had the capacity to think of that ideology, so I just think you don't have an ideology and are just an ~edgy~ system hater.
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