Anybody else find the misinformation in the public mind about tryptamines ridiculous? Even some of the staunchest weed legalization supporters will basically scoff at the thought of legalizing shrooms or acid, and a lot of drug experienced people I know still believe that acid is one of the worst drugs for your body. The most prevalent belief is that they can change you permanently via altering your basic brain chemistry or something.
Anyways at this rate it basically seems like tryptamines have no hope of being legalized. Most world governments pay absolutely no mind to it, grouping them with cocaine and the other big bads without blinking an eye. The misinformation about them is so completely ingrained and prevalent in most people's minds that disagreeing with any of the common beliefs will basically just make people roll their eyes and call you an "acid-head" or something.
Does this bother anyone else? On a purely physiological level, the common tryptamines are basically the safest drugs around. They're nonaddictive (and unlike weed, unlikely to be habit forming), and the biggest risks (picking/getting a poisonous shrooms lookalike, getting "acid" that's actually dragonfly or some shit) would all be eliminated with legalization and careful regulation. It's doubtful that use would even really go up by much - I'm sure public perception of the drug would mostly stay the same, and a lot of people would be too nervous to try it (with good reason - I don't think tryptamines agree with everybody at all).
If the gov't wanted to be entirely safe about it, create a licensing process whereby applicants have to have an interview with a physician/psychologist regarding their mental health and motivations for wanting to try the drug, then electronically track their purchases (limiting the number of "doses" bought per week?).
I really hate how immature and incoherent this sounds, now that I'm reading over it. smark away
Yea this really bothers me as well, they are incredibly safe.
*facepalm*
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
yeah, totally safe.
let me guess what arguement one would bring up. classic legal drug vs drug you're rooting for argument, okay...
the worst case scenario if someone over doses on alcohol is either death or liver failure or some shit.
the worst case scenario if someone over doses on acid is permanent catatonic psychosis, a fate which is indescribably worse than death.
i've been in catatonic psychosis before, so don't you fucking dare even think of telling me i'm wrong.
and don't go saying smart people won't over dose, because the majority by a lot of people aren't smart at all, in fact they're pretty fucking stupid.
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the bullshit people are spewing about psychedelics being safe in any sense of the word emanates a world crushing scoff from me anytime i hear it mentioned.
if you ever experience extreme psychosis or catanonia due to psychedelic use it's because you're predisposed to conditions like that and any jarring psychological experience can send you into crises.
I don't understand the obnoxious anti-intellectual aggressiveness in almost all of your posts. it's so fucking distasteful.
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I've had really shitty experiences a couple times with high doses of salvia, k, and emerged fine after a couple days of feeling shaken and psychotic. try not to project your experience onto everybody. I know people who've died from melanoma and I don't think suntanners are retarded daredevils
oh and guess what people have experienced marijuana-induced psychosis, pretty severely in some cases according to some reports, but I'm assuming you're all for ending weed prohibition.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;28705210]*facepalm*
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
yeah, totally safe.
let me guess what arguement one would bring up. classic legal drug vs drug you're rooting for argument, okay...
the worst case scenario if someone over doses on alcohol is either death or liver failure or some shit.
the worst case scenario if someone over doses on acid is permanent catatonic psychosis, a fate which is indescribably worse than death.
i've been in catatonic psychosis before, so don't you fucking dare even think of telling me i'm wrong.
and don't go saying smart people won't over dose, because the majority by a lot of people aren't smart at all, in fact they're pretty fucking stupid.
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the bullshit people are spewing about psychedelics being safe in any sense of the word emanates a world crushing scoff from me anytime i hear it mentioned.[/QUOTE]
Chill the fuck out, when i said safe, i meant safe compared to other drugs, and a majority of people do not "overdose" on LSD.
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And its not overdosing on acid, it only happens to a certain few people. Straight from wikipedia:
Psychosis
There are some cases of LSD inducing a psychosis in people who appeared to be healthy before taking LSD.[66] In most cases, the psychosis-like reaction is of short duration, but in other cases it may be chronic. It is difficult to determine whether LSD itself induces these reactions or if it triggers latent conditions that would have manifested themselves otherwise. The similarities of time course and outcomes between putatively LSD-precipitated and other psychoses suggest that the two types of syndromes are not different and that LSD may have been a nonspecific trigger.
Estimates of the prevalence of LSD-induced prolonged psychosis lasting over 48 hours have been made by surveying researchers and therapists who had administered LSD:
* Cohen (1960) estimated 0.8 per 1,000 volunteers (the single case among approximately 1250 study volunteers was the identical twin of a schizophrenic and he recovered within 5 days) and 1.8 per 1,000 psychiatric patients (7 cases among approximately 3850 patients, of which 2 cases were "preschizophrenic" or had previous hallucinatory experience, 1 case had unknown outcome, 1 case had incomplete recovery, and 5 cases recovered within up to 6 months).[67]
* Malleson (1971) reported no cases of psychosis among experimental subjects (170 volunteers who received a total of 450 LSD sessions) and estimated 9 per 1,000 among psychiatric patients (37 cases among 4300 patients, of which 8 details are unknown, 10 appeared chronic, and 19 recovered completely within up to 3 months).[41]
However, in neither survey study was it possible to compare the rate of lasting psychosis in these volunteers and patients receiving LSD with the rate of psychosis found in other groups of research volunteers or in other methods of psychiatric treatment (for example, those receiving placebo).
Cohen (1960) noted:[67]
"The hallucinogenic experience is so striking that many subsequent disturbances may be attributed to it without further justification. The highly suggestible or hysterical individual would tend to focus on his LSD experience to explain subsequent illness. Patients have complained to Abramson that their LSD exposure produced migraine headaches and attacks of influenza up to a year later. One Chinese girl became paraplegic and ascribed that catastrophe to LSD. It so happened that these people were all in the control group and had received nothing but tap water."
Peter Green, founder of the band Fleetwood Mac, is a popular example of a psychosis, Schizophrenia in this instance, attributed to LSD abuse.[68]
They're probably also outlawed due to the fact they can make people act completely unrealistically, I mean I've personally heard stories from people who've done AMT and the like and run around naked until they were arrested by the police. On a more important note is what if people try to drive on them or walk around in public and get hit by a car etc.
That said I agree, it always make me laugh the double standard that some people preach that weed is ok but everything else is evil and will kill you dead, it's just another case of misinfomation of which they're so against for their drug but not any others. Personally I think all drugs need to have their fake levels of risk reassesed and make more realistic, using drugs isn't what causes problems, it's becoming addicted to and using on a long term basis.
I'm not suggesting PCP should be sold at gas stations, or even acid tabs in headshops, I'm suggesting a very limited variety of psychedelics (that could maybe expand over time) that could be purchased in small amounts by people who have proven that they're educated regarding the effects and safe use of the drugs in question from a small number of gov't licensed chemists and botanists. There's almost certainly, if nothing else, great artistic and "spiritual" value of these drugs for a lot of people who are completely capable of using them safely. Threatening them with jailtime is ridiculous.
Skydiving's certainly dangerous and mostly "pointless", but it's okay if you follow all the legal guidelines. Doing shrooms should be the same way.
Remember this: prohibition for any drug will never work, and there will come a time when all drugs will have to be regulated, or at least decriminalised. Whilst acid/shrooms has no norml-type legalisation lobby, there are plenty of groups campaigning for regulation in general, once weed is legalised and they see the world doesn't implode, regulation will happen very quickly.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;28705210]*facepalm*
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
yeah, totally safe.
let me guess what arguement one would bring up. classic legal drug vs drug you're rooting for argument, okay...
the worst case scenario if someone over doses on alcohol is either death or liver failure or some shit.
the worst case scenario if someone over doses on acid is permanent catatonic psychosis, a fate which is indescribably worse than death.
i've been in catatonic psychosis before, so don't you fucking dare even think of telling me i'm wrong.
and don't go saying smart people won't over dose, because the majority by a lot of people aren't smart at all, in fact they're pretty fucking stupid.
[editline]20th March 2011[/editline]
the bullshit people are spewing about psychedelics being safe in any sense of the word emanates a world crushing scoff from me anytime i hear it mentioned.[/QUOTE]
well your just a pussy who can't handle his shit
for a bunch of druggies you guys sure are hostile
At least we're not fucking boring.
It is my opinion that the government should not have any control over medical decisions. The people should not have any control either. Voting to allow medical marijuana is ridiculous because the only people who are qualified to decide is marijuana should/can be used as a valid medical treatment are certified doctors who know what they are talking about. Politics and medicine should not be mixed.
The idea of drug crimes is almost entirely ridiculous. Without a victim, there should be no crime. People should have the freedom to put whatever they want into their body, and to be well educated about the risks and effects of doing so. The most you could say about psychedelics is that a tripper might take actions that put others in danger, but this risk is overblown and likely entirely negligible if people were more knowledgable. Other than that I guess you could say that they'll burden the medical system eventually, depending on their drug of choice, but then I guess we should legislate against the overweight, underweight, and those with high cholesterol.
A few of the truly bad stories I've heard regarding shrooms have been people who have known fucking nothing about them just destroying a large portion of a bowl of shrooms at a party or something and consuming 10+ grams dried with no previous drug experience, or people eating a strip of acid tabs because they tried a couple tabs an hour before and they thought it was bunk and they might as well try for whatever they had left. Easily avoidable.
The government will never support any drugs that expand your mind. So there's no point in arguing with them. They just want drugs that make them money. Otherwise they could care less.
NO DRUG IS SAFE
so don't use that argument all drugs are fucking dangerous, we need to push for drug information not legalization
[QUOTE=Kanshi;28716662]NO DRUG IS SAFE
so don't use that argument all drugs are fucking dangerous, we need to push for drug information not legalization[/QUOTE]
I think that we need drug information and decrimiliazation for posession, but not for supplying. That worked really well in portugal.
[QUOTE=Kanshi;28716662]NO DRUG IS SAFE
so don't use that argument all drugs are fucking dangerous, we need to push for drug information not legalization[/QUOTE]
Weed is pretty safe.
[QUOTE=Mac2468;28718310]Weed is pretty safe.[/QUOTE]
With things like automobiles easily accessible to the public it really isn't, but thats where stupidity comes into play.
And the world has plenty of stupid people.
[QUOTE=Kanshi;28719498]With things like automobiles easily accessible to the public it really isn't, but thats where stupidity comes into play.
And the world has plenty of stupid people.[/QUOTE]
If someone was going to be high while driving I'd want them to be high on weed.
god this forum is full of idealist dipshits and plain idiots.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;28721000]god this forum is full of idealist dipshits and plain idiots.[/QUOTE]
Just curious, not a hostile question
what category do you think you belong in
i honestly don't see psychedelics becoming legal in anything close to the near future. they aren't dangerous in terms of "you can overdose or cause damage to yourself" but that doesn't mean they're safe. people lose their shit and do stupid things because they see/think things that aren't there. there's some people i know that i would never think of giving acid to just cause they're too fucking stupid and would end up running across a highway or some dumb shit.
also, acid can definitely permanently change your brain. i don't know if it's got any actual physical effects, but it changes the way you think, and i'm certain if you take enough you might not come back entirely sane.
[QUOTE=Lick;28721069]Just curious, not a hostile question
what category do you think you belong in[/QUOTE]
to good for this place, that's for sure.
might be the fact that i'm one of the oldest people here (age wise, i couldn't give a fuck how long i've been a member), and i'm actually growing up.
I've made it glaringly obvious though, so don't act all surprised when i say what i just said.
[editline]21st March 2011[/editline]
in fact i wouldn't even call it too good for this place. i'm probably just to old for this place.
[editline]21st March 2011[/editline]
the best part about this post is anyone responding in a overly negative way to it only furthers my point
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;28721535]to good for this place, that's for sure.
might be the fact that i'm one of the oldest people here (age wise, i couldn't give a fuck how long i've been a member), and i'm actually growing up.
I've made it glaringly obvious though, so don't act all surprised when i say what i just said.
[editline]21st March 2011[/editline]
in fact i wouldn't even call it too good for this place. i'm probably just to old for this place.
[editline]21st March 2011[/editline]
the best part about this post is anyone responding in a overly negative way to it only furthers my point[/QUOTE]
how old are you anyways? i want to say like, 24.
Anddd how old are you again? Last I saw a pic of you, you looked like 16
[editline]21st March 2011[/editline]
wow ninjad
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;28721535]the best part about this post is anyone responding in a overly negative way to it only furthers my point[/QUOTE]
I don't really understand this statement but okay. I guess once I've lived more years I'll be more qualified to refute you.
how old is everyone? i dont believe neoseeker is the oldest person on dd so everyone, be truthful.
I am 18.
i'm gunna be 21 in a litte over a month. right now i'm 20, obviously.
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;28721535]to good for this place, that's for sure.
might be the fact that i'm one of the oldest people here (age wise, i couldn't give a fuck how long i've been a member), and i'm actually growing up.
I've made it glaringly obvious though, so don't act all surprised when i say what i just said.
[editline]21st March 2011[/editline]
in fact i wouldn't even call it too good for this place. i'm probably just to old for this place.
[editline]21st March 2011[/editline]
the best part about this post is anyone responding in a overly negative way to it only furthers my point[/QUOTE]
Why do you personify your avatar so perfectly?
[QUOTE=NeoSeeker;28721535]to good for this place, that's for sure.
might be the fact that i'm one of the oldest people here (age wise, i couldn't give a fuck how long i've been a member), and i'm actually growing up.
I've made it glaringly obvious though, so don't act all surprised when i say what i just said.
[editline]21st March 2011[/editline]
in fact i wouldn't even call it too good for this place. i'm probably just to old for this place.
[editline]21st March 2011[/editline]
the best part about this post is anyone responding in a overly negative way to it only furthers my point[/QUOTE]
no, negative respond doesn't furthers your point it makes your post and you look bad 'kay?
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