Venezuela opposition cry ‘coup’ as court seizes legislative powers - Polidicks

[quote]CUENCA, Ecuador In a move that Venezuela’s opposition decried as a “coup,” Venezuela’s Supreme Court effectively shut down congress, saying it would assume all legislative functions amid its contention that legislators are operating outside of the law. [/quote] [url]http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article141655519.html[/url]

Is this good or bad? It seems good considering how terrible the current government has been fucking up the country.

Isn't the court Pro-Government though? So more a very bad thing.

Yeah its pretty bad

It [B]is[/B] a fucking auto-coup. It's April Five all over again [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/us-peru-venezuela-idUSKBN1712SA?il=0"]The Peruvian government has recalled its ambassador[/URL], and has condemned this movement through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Stay strong Venezuela

If a governing body is corrupt, you can safely assume that its legislative/judicial branch is corrcupt.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52033778]Is this good or bad? It seems good considering how terrible the current government has been fucking up the country.[/QUOTE] Yeah, so basically what happened is that the Supreme Court dissolved the Parliament and gave all of its powers to itself, while also granting additional powers to the chief of state. These are the legal basis for a dictatorship basically, all they've done is make it undeniable that there is a dictatorship in Venezuela. [QUOTE=Bradyns;52033828]If a country is corrupt, you can safely assume your that its legislative/judicial branch is corrcupt.[/QUOTE] The judicial dissolved the legislative in this case, I'll let you guess which one is corrupt.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52033778]Is this good or bad? It seems good considering how terrible the current government has been fucking up the country.[/QUOTE] It's really [I]really[/I] bad. The Congress is the only entity in the government [I][B]not[/B][/I] taken over by the ruling party. Ever since the opposition took over the congress, the government has been using the justice system to strip it off its powers The country's current state is the fault of the ruling socialist party.

Additionally, Peru is now the first country to officially recognize the break in constitutional order in Venezuela. What Venezuela needs right now is international pressure and that's a step in the right direction.

To put things in perspective, back in 1992 president Fujimori dissolved the Congress on April 5th, under the excuse that it was hampering actions to rectify the country's economic and social crisis (Our own problems with the terrorist factions). It led to eight years of more corruption and multiple violations to human rights. It's kind of ironic that this happens just a week short of the 25th anniversary of the coup.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52033831]The judicial dissolved the legislative in this case, I'll let you guess which one is corrupt.[/QUOTE] True, also you are vastly more informed on the topic. My knowledge of the country and its political landscape is rather narrow.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52033867]Additionally, Peru is now the first country to officially recognize the break in constitutional order in Venezuela. What Venezuela needs right now is international pressure and that's a step in the right direction.[/QUOTE] i wouldnt hold your breath for trump to respond to this

[QUOTE=Bradyns;52033888]True, also you are vastly more informed on the topic. My knowledge of the country and its political landscape is rather narrow.[/QUOTE] Don't worry, it's perfectly understandable considering how little coverage Venezuela gets in the media. It would be hard even for me to figure out what's going on inside the country if it weren't for trusted Twitter sources. I'd like to also note this is happening a day after the OAS approved a resolution asking for a democratic solution to the Venezuelan crisis. I'm sure they now have no choice but to suspend Venezuela from the organization. [QUOTE=Sableye;52033943]i wouldnt hold your breath for trump to respond to this[/QUOTE] Believe it or not, this administration has been significantly more assertive in their relationship with Venezuela than the Obama administration ever was. Mostly due to Marco Rubio. Obama completely failed to stop the crisis from intensifying.

An auto-coup'd Etat on the 21st century on the West, holy shit. Maduro and his supporters seems unable to deal with the fact that their rule can be challenged, and decided to trigger this event. I only hope the civilian population don't suffer too much if this becomes violent or irrational.

[QUOTE=FalconHBFS;52034004]An auto-coup'd Etat on the 21st century on the West, holy shit. Maduro and his supporters seems unable to deal with the fact that their rule can be challenged, and decided to trigger this event. [B]I only hope the civilian population don't suffer too much if this becomes violent or irrational.[/B][/QUOTE] Believe me, they will. And much more if the court is pro-maduro

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52033778]Is this good or bad? It seems good considering how terrible the current government has been fucking up the country.[/QUOTE] The court is in Maduro's pocket, thus the opposition's reaction.

A couple more international reactions: [url=http://www.el-nacional.com/noticias/latinoamerica/presidente-del-senado-colombiano-pide-revaluar-las-relaciones-con-venezuela_88172]Colombian Senate asks President Santos to re-evaluate the country's relationship with Venezuela.[/url] [url=https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/03/269332.htm]US State department denounces the self-coup as a "a serious setback for democracy in Venezuela".[/url] [url=https://www.lapatilla.com/site/2017/03/30/brasil-tilda-de-ruptura-constitucional-actuacion-del-tsj/]Brazil claims there was a "rupture of the constitutional order" in Venezuela[/url] [url=https://www.lapatilla.com/site/2017/03/30/chile-expresa-alta-preocupacion-por-agravamiento-de-la-situacion-venezolana/]Chile is deeply concerned with the worsening situation in the country, and is consulting regional allies on how to proceed[/url] Also, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela]Venezuela is now listed as a de-facto totalitarian state in Wikipedia.[/url]

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;52036751]Just give the Mercosul's militaries the order to liberate Venezuela[/QUOTE] I believe that's the one thing that could screw up the situation even further, as it would legitimize Maduro's propaganda. I still believe that the Venezuelan people can reclaim their country but it will take the support of the international community, they have to come out with severe sanctions, they have to say to the world that Venezuela is a dictatorship and that a democratic exit is impossible with the current administration.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;52036751]Just give the Mercosul's militaries the order to liberate Venezuela[/QUOTE] Mercosur is more like NAFTA than NATO. There's no joint miltary intervention in a case of an actual coup AFAIK.

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;52036789]Sanctions would just make Venezuela walk more towards the North Korean path with famine and isolatonness sadly[/QUOTE] It's not close to the same situation, particularly in terms of ideology. The population of Venezuela hate Maduro's guts (And they hate the PSUV even more), and Maduro won't live through an actual serious attempt at getting him to quit. The military won't suppress a million man march, they haven't before and they won't now.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52033778]Is this good or bad? It seems good considering how terrible the current government has been fucking up the country.[/QUOTE] Why would you think that a branch of a corrupt government taking full control of the country can be a good thing? This is horrible for Venezuela and it's going to get only worse from here

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;52036751]Just give the Mercosul's militaries the order to liberate Venezuela[/QUOTE] "The United States of America gave an order to the Mercosur troops to take control of our sovereignty! this is a clear example of the imperialistic powers of the West and the USA!" could be the first response from Maduro to legitimize his rethoric and past and future actions. If the country wants any chance to become stable again it will require a shitton of help from external countries. The thing it needs to avoid is following the path of Chile after the coup d'etat: sell everything to outside companies and privatize your water.

From what I read the situation in Venezuela is starting to look like a famine, and is getting worse instead of better. A hungry population can lead to an extremely volatile situation. From what I understand Maduro is still pretty popular for some reason, but starvation might make people change their mind. Venezuelan FPers, do you think an uprising would be possible at this stage?

I'd say at least now everyone will be equally poor but not even that is true in socialism

[QUOTE=cheezey;52037122]From what I read the situation in Venezuela is starting to look like a famine, and is getting worse instead of better. A hungry population can lead to an extremely volatile situation. From what I understand Maduro is still pretty popular for some reason, but starvation might make people change their mind. Venezuelan FPers, do you think an uprising would be possible at this stage?[/QUOTE] As a rule, poor, starving people don't make good rebels. I don't think it's looking good.

Maduro is certainly not popular. Also I have breaking news. The Attorney General of Venezuela has just come out with a press conference, where she considers the recent ruling to be a break in the constitutional order. This is a high ranking officer within the government, loyal to the revolution for years, coming out saying that there is a dictatorship in Venezuela. This happened maybe an hour ago. Here's my only source in English that I've found thus far. [media]https://twitter.com/AFP/status/847823490745061377[/media]

[QUOTE=Big Bang;52037226]Maduro is certainly not popular. Also I have breaking news. The Attorney General of Venezuela has just come out with a press conference, where she considers the recent ruling to be a break in the constitutional order. This is a high ranking officer within the government, loyal to the revolution for years, coming out saying that there is a dictatorship in Venezuela.[/QUOTE] Source? I beleive you but it'd be great if you had a source so I could read more.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52037258]Source? I beleive you but it'd be great if you had a source so I could read more.[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKBN13D02N]His approval was sub 20% 6 months ago[/url], seeing how poorly things have been since then, I would assume his approval has only tanked further.

I have cousins from Caracas, thank fucking Christ they got out when they did

I hope Maduro's accepted his death at this point. When the people are this hungry, angry, and desperate, they'll burn down your palace and march your head around on a pike. Once he runs out of money to pay the military, they'll turn their asses right around and join the mob with rifles in hand. Hopefully Venezuela can recover quickly from this shit. It's tragic. I have a friend who is a Venezuelan international student, and he's a few months away from graduating. He's been working his ass off to get an internship and set himself up in the US so he doesn't have to go back home and get stuck in the middle of literal revolution.