China in talks with U.S., Russia, Japan over (best) Korea - Polidicks

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/27/koreas.crisis/index.html?hpt=T1[/url] [quote]Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- Diplomats worked to ease tensions in the Koreas on Saturday after North Korea warned of unpredictable "consequences" if the United States fulfills its vow of deploying an aircraft carrier to the Yellow Sea for joint military maneuvers with South Korea. China's foreign minister spoke with his Russian, U.S., and Japanese counterparts, and a Chinese representative visited Seoul as envoys underscored the need to lower the temperature in the longtime flash-point region, days after four South Koreans died when North Korea shelled Yeonpyeong Island. North Korea said the South provoked the Tuesday attack because shells from a South Korean military drill landed in the North's waters. South Korea was holding its annual Hoguk military drill when the North started its shelling, and the South returned fire. North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency on Saturday slammed South Korea and the United States for provoking the crisis. It called reports of civilian casualties part of South Korea's "propaganda campaign" and accused the "enemy" of creating "a human shield by deploying civilians around artillery positions and inside military facilities before the launch of the provocation." Gallery: Protesters denounce North Korea's attacks Koreas on edge Joint US, S. Korea military exercise Explainer: All eyes on North Korea RELATED TOPICS * North Korea * South Korea "If the U.S. brings its carrier to the West Sea of Korea at last, no one can predict the ensuing consequences," said KCNA, referring to the aircraft carrier USS George Washington, which is set to join South Korea's forces near the coasts of China and North Korea in a four-day military drill that starts Sunday. U.S. State Department spokeswoman Nicole Thompson called the claims "outrageous." "This is just another example of North Korea's own internal propaganda. The North Koreans for many years, including the Cheonan warship incident, have taken provocative action. This didn't have anything to do with U.S. actions," Thompson told CNN, referring to the sinking of a South Korean ship in March that left 46 people on board dead. The United States and South Korea blame the sinking on the North, which has consistently denied responsibility. Diplomats, seeking a lessening of tensions and a return to the six-party talks with North Korea over the country's nuclear aspirations, busily labored to avert more hostilities. The United States, China, Japan, Russia, South Korea and North Korea are the six countries that have been involved in the talks, which were put on hold in 2008. "These parties should call on the DPRK and South Korea to exercise calmness and restraint and hold dialogue and make contacts, and not to take actions that would escalate the conflict," China's official Xinhua news agency quoted Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi as saying. China is North Korea's largest trading partner. Yang and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov "stressed the need to prevent the situation from exacerbating and to work toward relieving the tensions," according to the Russian Foreign Ministry. Xinhua reported that Japanese Foreign Minister Seiji Maehara said his country "is willing to work together with China to joint safeguard peace and stability on the Korean peninsula." And a Twitter message from U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spoke with Yang on Friday and "encouraged Beijing to make clear that North Korea's behavior is unacceptable." Meanwhile, Dai Bingguo, a Chinese state councilor, sat down with South Korean Foreign Minister Kim Sung-hwan in Seoul to discuss the tensions. The violence has sparked anger and political turmoil in South Korea. The country's defense minister, Kim Tae-young resigned after the exchange of fire, and veterans of the South Korean military protested Saturday on the streets of Seoul, stating they were angry that their country's government had not done enough to respond to the North's shelling. One group of protesters gathered near the defense ministry building Saturday, clashing with police officers with some charging and kicking officers. Two South Korean marines were among the four killed in the shelling. Hundreds of mourners attended their nationally televised funeral Saturday, weeping before photos of the two men set among an array of flowers. As for Sunday's joint military exercises, China appeared to criticize them Friday and Chinese analysts warned against the United States and South Korea embarking on "sensitive and provocative military actions." "We oppose any party to take any military acts in our exclusive economic zone without permission," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said in a statement, Xinhua reported. But the United States has described the drill as defensive in nature. The exercises were planned months ago, and are meant to underscore strong ties between South Korea and the United States, defense officials from both countries have said. There will be no live firing element in the drills; live firing exercises can only take place in a designated training range or in a closed-off area at sea, Cmdr. Jeff Davis, public affairs officer for the U.S. 7th Fleet, and such firing exercises are not possible given the amount of traffic in the area. The drills will include anti-air attack and anti-surface-attack exercises, communications and data drills, expert exchanges, logistical support, and replenishment drills. For example, a Korean oil tanker will refuel a U.S. ship, Davis said. David told CNN Saturday that the military drills will begin around noon Sunday. But the prospect of more violence has prompted alarm across the region. Japan's Kyodo news agency reported that Japanese "Cabinet members have been ordered to stay in Tokyo until Wednesday and be at their ministry offices within an hour in the event emergency situations develop." South Korea said Thursday that it will strengthen its rules of engagement in the Yellow Sea. South Korean marine forces based in five islands near North Korea and the disputed Northern Limit Line also will be reinforced, a government spokesman said. The tense maritime border between the two Koreas has become the major military flash point on the Korean peninsula in recent years. The Yeonpyeong attack was the first direct artillery assault on South Korea since 1953, when an armistice ended fighting, though both Koreas are still technically at war.[/quote]

Come on diplomacy.

I don't think U.S.A will back the South this time.

[QUOTE=General_Xing;26338724]I don't think U.S.A will back the South this time.[/QUOTE] That seems highly unlikely, they've already put so much effort into helping and defending the south. Secondly if South Korea falls into North Korean hands America's influence in Asia decreases.

[QUOTE=General_Xing;26338724]I don't think U.S.A will back the South this time.[/QUOTE]There's troops and a carrier battlegroup there, and conducting joint military exercises with the South Koreans. Why would they not side with them, especially when Obama has declared support for the South?

[QUOTE=General_Xing;26338724]I don't think U.S.A will back the South this time.[/QUOTE] Yeah they will.

If we blew N. Korea and terrorist middle eastern countries off the map, the world would be a better place. Except theres too many civilians.

[QUOTE=green bandit;26338973]Yeah they will.[/QUOTE] not if palin has anything to say about it

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;26339272]not if palin has anything to say about it[/QUOTE] Why are you paying attention to Sarah Palin.

In before "lol konspiracy koreyuh r underdawg fet amerikunt lol hurr durr britun" and "lol stoopid faget tea cup crumpet britfags dontg know nothing botu americaw sarah palin sucks n has whore daughtyer lol hurr durr americuh."

Finally, the Glorious Leader is in the center of world attention (again).

[QUOTE=Strongbad;26339540]In before "lol konspiracy koreyuh r underdawg fet amerikunt lol hurr durr britun" [b]and "lol stoopid faget tea cup crumpet britfags dontg know nothing botu americaw sarah palin sucks n has whore daughtyer lol hurr durr americuh."[/b][/QUOTE] I hope you feel smarter knowing I'm an American.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;26339588]I hope you feel smarter knowing I'm an American.[/QUOTE] You clearly haven't opened many America vs Britain debates.

[QUOTE=Strongbad;26339540]In before "lol konspiracy koreyuh r underdawg fet amerikunt lol hurr durr britun" and "lol stoopid faget tea cup crumpet britfags dontg know nothing botu americaw sarah palin sucks n has whore daughtyer lol hurr durr americuh."[/QUOTE] in before people make utterly absurd predictions about the future replies to the thread woops too late!!!!

[QUOTE=Strongbad;26339540]In before "lol konspiracy koreyuh r underdawg fet amerikunt lol hurr durr britun" and "lol stoopid faget tea cup crumpet britfags dontg know nothing botu americaw sarah palin sucks n has whore daughtyer lol hurr durr americuh."[/QUOTE]Uuh, what? Care to make that mess intelligible?

[QUOTE=Strongbad;26339540]In before "lol konspiracy koreyuh r underdawg fet amerikunt lol hurr durr britun" and "lol stoopid faget tea cup crumpet britfags dontg know nothing botu americaw sarah palin sucks n has whore daughtyer lol hurr durr americuh."[/QUOTE] Uh what? Edit: Damn you. Damn you to hell

[QUOTE=Turnips5;26339624]in before people make utterly absurd predictions about the future replies to the thread woops too late!!!![/QUOTE] in before people say in before In any case, politics suck, we're all fucked, the end.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;26339650]Uuh, what? Care to make that mess intelligible?[/QUOTE] It's about as intelligible as you can make it. Why, you ask? It's a Brit VS America argument. Enough said.

[QUOTE=Strongbad;26339614]You clearly haven't opened many America vs Britain debates.[/QUOTE] Guessing by how you structure your sentences, I had no fucking clue this was a America vs. UK debate thing. I thought this was about China talking to Russia, US, Japan and NK.

I hope it's going a little something like this with Kim Jong [img]http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/political-pictures-obama-get-the-f-out-oh-snap.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Strongbad;26339682]It's about as intelligible as you can make it. Why, you ask? It's a Brit VS America argument. Enough said.[/QUOTE]It's got absolutely nothing to do with Britain v USA, and would be nice if it stayed that way.

[QUOTE=Strongbad;26339682]It's about as intelligible as you can make it. Why, you ask? It's a Brit VS America argument. Enough said.[/QUOTE] You are the master of making yourself look bad. This entire discussion has absolutely nothing to do with what you are mindlessly rambling on about.

[QUOTE=Nexus435;26339148]If we blew N. Korea and terrorist middle eastern countries off the map, the world would be a better place. Except theres too many civilians.[/QUOTE] If we blew up everything that the US dictated an international threat then half the world including several states would be gone.

Americans have this weird habit of considering their decrease of "influence" somewhere in the world like a defeat in a war. You don't have to be everywhere, I'm quite sure China could handle this shit just fine by itself.

I have a feeling shit's actually going to go down this time.

[QUOTE=Hypernova;26339893]I have a feeling shit's actually going to go down this time.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/halolz-dot-com-nope.avi.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Hypernova;26339893]I have a feeling shit's actually going to go down this time.[/QUOTE]Oh for fuck's sake, it's been 4 days since the shelling; all that's happened is a lot of talk, like every other incident. If shit hasn't gone down by now, chances are it won't; with every passing hour the situation gets calmer and calmer.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;26339930]Oh for fuck's sake, it's been 4 days since the shelling; all that's happened is a lot of talk, like every other incident. If shit hasn't gone down by now, chances are it won't; with every passing hour the situation gets calmer and calmer.[/QUOTE] This is what I'm going with and I'll stick by it.

If a few shells was enough to provoke the North, I imagine an entire aircraft carrier will do so even further.

[QUOTE=Hypernova;26339958]If a few shells was enough to provoke the North, I imagine an entire aircraft carrier will do so even further.[/QUOTE] Listen, if you think a war would be bad for us, you'd be right, but it'd be a million times worse for NK.