Wow an actual optimistic outlook on the future. I needed that
Y'know, overpopulation and the effects it could imply have always kind of worried me. But this video did help a lot with quelling those worries. Feels good to see the optimistic potential. That little tidbit about "The 12th billionth human will never be born" was a good finisher too.
Fucking love Kurzgesagt
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And honestly, I can see the "issue" of overpopulation coming to a halt even in my country. We've grown a lot in just 20 years but pretty much nobody in my circle of friends, or their own extensions, is at all interested in having a child in the first place, myself included.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51568007]And honestly, I can see the "issue" of overpopulation coming to a halt even in my country. We've grown a lot in just 20 years but pretty much nobody in my circle of friends, or their own extensions, is at all interested in having a child in the first place, myself included.[/QUOTE]
You're not at all concerned that swedes are far below replacement level birth rates?
[QUOTE=soulharvester;51568027]You're not at all concerned that swedes are far below replacement level birth rates?[/QUOTE]
Nope. If we can go down to the population level we were at just 10 years ago we'd have less of a housing crisis. Stockholm has a waiting list of upwards 10-12 years for even just studio apartments. A population decline would be great right now considering our government doesn't seem to wanna build more apartments. :vs:
Yea this has kind of been the apparent pattern for a while. The whole overpopulation scare in recent history was always a big meme. Its just an ill-informed assumption that population growth keeps speeding up.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51568070]Then the problem lies within your government, not the population.[/QUOTE]
... yes? That was kinda my point?
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;51568036]Nope. If we can go down to the population level we were at just 10 years ago we'd have less of a housing crisis. Stockholm has a waiting list of upwards 10-12 years for even just studio apartments. A population decline would be great right now considering our government doesn't seem to wanna build more apartments. :vs:[/QUOTE]
Imagine the effects it would have on the pricing of homes too.
[QUOTE=soulharvester;51568027]You're not at all concerned that swedes are far below replacement level birth rates?[/QUOTE]
Is there anything in particular that necessitates the population of a country remains at current levels? I guess you could make the argument that fewer people could lead to a lower GDP, but in general I don't see why this would be something to worry about in this age.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;51568529]Is there anything in particular that necessitates the population of a country remains at current levels? I guess you could make the argument that fewer people could lead to a lower GDP, but in general I don't see why this would be something to worry about in this age.[/QUOTE]
Because it causes great economic strain for welfare states in particular
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;51568529]Is there anything in particular that necessitates the population of a country remains at current levels? I guess you could make the argument that fewer people could lead to a lower GDP, but in general I don't see why this would be something to worry about in this age.[/QUOTE]
How can you say it is something you should not be worried [B]in this age[/B] ? You need to look at it long term. You need a certain number of working people to finance those who don't work like elderly and kids. With lower birth rates today and [U]increasing life expectancy[/U](something many forget) in 20-30 years you may end up with a old population missing millions of working people to support them and slowed down economy. Look at Japan. Look at Germany, if it weren't for immigration it would be in huge problems.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;51568582]How can you say it is something you should not be worried [B]in this age[/B] ? You need to look at it long term. You need a certain number of working people to finance those who don't work like elderly and kids. With lower birth rates today and increasing life expectancy in 20-30 years you may end up with a old population missing millions of working people to support them and slowed down economy. Look at Japan. People forget they wont be young forever.[/QUOTE]
I realize now I should've spent more time writing my reply, I was thinking more about even longer-term.
A rapid transition from a high population to a lower one will strain an economy with welfare, sure, but beyond that bump (I.E when the curve settles again), is there anything for those nations to worry about? It seems to me every single country on earth will reach this point eventually.
We just need more birth control and regulations and everything should be fine for sure.
[QUOTE=spectator1;51568870]We just need more birth control and regulations and everything should be fine for sure.[/QUOTE]
Regulating what family plans people are allowed to have is a shitty thing to do, IMO
A lot of those countries mentioned still have insanely high population densities. The growth might halt globally, but many areas that have recently stabilized are overpopulated to begin with if you ask me.
The video doesn't address the actual concerns about population growth though. It doesn't look at how more people means resources being used up faster, when many resources are already being depleted far faster than they are replenished. It doesn't look at how rapid development means even faster habitat loss, greatly accelerating anthropogenic extinction. It doesn't look at the carbon footprint of the billions more people that will be on earth. Just ignoring these issues and saying everybody with concerns is a fearmonger isn't productive.
So that's all fine and dandy, but what about the shift from human labor to automation? Are we approaching a post-scarcity society or a society with little job movement as the fortunate and less fortunate pull away from each other?
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