[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxsFCyGn7sE&feature=channel_video_title[/media]
Looks like the collenton county police are at it again, harassing SHARK members, this time over their Octopcoper. Same methods to their madness though, fake statues and empty threats. If SHARK was doing anything unlawful they would have been detained and cited for it, considering how much attention they receive from the police.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLekpcTIaqM&feature=channel_video_title[/media]
Notice how he can't even cite any statue numbers, you'd think his supervisor (the moron from the previous video) would have had him better prepared. It's intimidation, plain and simple. If there was an actual statue preventing SHARK from flying it, the police would have been able to cite it in detail.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];34856434']The cop was acting like a smug asshole, was obviously on the side of the shooters/property owners, and was violating the law by lying and also intimidating. No matter how you look at it, he was the one continuing the situation. It is his position to determine if a law is being broken, which he did not properly do, and that is it. He does not have the enforcement right to get identification or have the vehicle moved. The man doesn't want to show him his ID- end of story. He doesn't have to show the ID. He doesn't want to move the vehicle and is not breaking a law- he doesn't have to move the vehicle, end of story. The cop is the instigator, not him. He was there, doing what he does, lawfully, and the cop continued to berate and bother him to the extent of making up laws. Cop's in the wrong here, not the citizen, who has no obligation to move the vehicle nor provide identification.
BigOwl is completely incorrect. I seriously think you need to revise your outlook on the law and the position and relationship between citizens and law enforcement in the US. It's not about having anything to hide, it's about things not being anyone else's business. You have a protection against being identified, you do not have to. All there is to it. Alternately, have you ever considered the harm in providing ID? If he hasn't done anything wrong, as is the case, the cop takes his ID, searches him, finds out any other dirt he has on him, and in a situation like this where the cop is clearly tip-toeing around the law, uses it to further intimidate or berate- or at the very least, he's reported for not complying, which could later be used in the same situation.
And if anyone pulls some sarcastic "all cops are bad thing", claiming I'm saying that, I'm not, because most cops do their jobs fine, but we all know that there are bad cops and I know personally, from a personal situation and from having two family members and a good friend working with police and law for well over 30 years combined, that at least in my area, that police frequently employ tactics like minor intimidation and referring back to past incidents, either crimes or simply encounters, to force compliance in smaller matters.[/QUOTE]
This isn't really the issue but there's something that's really bugging me.
When a police officer asks for ID, people in the states(at least in the videos I've seen) always say "I don't want to show it to you". I don't fucking get it. In my country(Denmark), if you don't show ID you're almost taken down to the station just based on that. I don't get why people don't want to show the police their IDs, someone explain D:
that's a nice police car
[QUOTE=Corewarp3;34847457]This isn't really the issue but there's something that's really bugging me.
When a police officer asks for ID, people in the states(at least in the videos I've seen) always say "I don't want to show it to you". I don't fucking get it. In my country(Denmark), if you don't show ID you're almost taken down to the station just based on that. I don't get why people don't want to show the police their IDs, someone explain D:[/QUOTE]
You either value your personal freedoms less, that or the police in Denmark are simply more trust-worthy. Anyways in this situation, it was pretty obvious whose side the cop was on, you could see why the guy wasn't comfortable giving him his identification. Also he would have only needed to present it to him if he were being detained.
Oh look, it's a video from SHARK.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;34848108]Oh look, it's a video from SHARK.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's a video from SHARK.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;34848108]Oh look, it's a video from SHARK.[/QUOTE]
Would you like to elaborate on that?
Holy fucking shit just show your ID. If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide for christ sakes. Is an officer asking to see your drivers licence REALLY such an oppression of the public?
They make it look like a fucking epidemic.
What a bunch of anal cunts
God damnit these SHARK morons again. And yeah cops demanding ID is dumb.
There may even be a state statute cause some states do have that I don't know if I wanna really on SHARK for fact checking.
There's no state statute on that in SC,
To be honest, I wouldn't trust Mickey Rourke either...
[QUOTE=Lamar;34849010]There's no state statute on that in SC,[/QUOTE]
So fucking what?
Just show the officer your ID and thank him for being so decent
Oh waoh just show him your ID and be done with it, stop giving them such a damn hard time.
If they're corrupt, video tape that, but when you're just doing something to cause an exhausting stupid situation. It's dumb on both of you.
Roflmao look at their website.
They're nuts.
The officers where being cool for the most part and just want ID. These guys are just jackasses. They're being overly difficult just to be asses for no reason. They talk a awful lot about illegal hunting, but where is the footage and evidence that supports that claim? There is none.
How hard is it to fucking give the officer an ID. He needs it for the report encase further incident plus a lot of police work is doing reports.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;34849179]So fucking what?
Just show the officer your ID and thank him for being so decent[/QUOTE]
You really like to bend over don't you? He wasn't doing anything wrong, the cop is in with the club, all he's trying to do is give SHARK a hard time by pulling fake statues out of his ass, like making them present Identification and move their vehicles, or say they should wear reflective traffic vests, when in reality they don't have to do any of this.
If he were a respectable cop he wouldn't have bothered them in the beginning because they weren't doing anything wrong whatsoever, it's just harassment on his part.
[QUOTE=Lamar;34849549]You really like to bend over don't you? He wasn't doing anything wrong, the cop is in with the club, all he's trying to do is give SHARK a hard time by pulling fake statues out of his ass, like making them present Identification and move their vehicles, or say they should wear reflective traffic vests, when in reality they don't have to do any of this.
If he were a respectable cop he wouldn't have bothered them in the beginning because they weren't doing anything wrong whatsoever, it's just harassment on his part.[/QUOTE]
Bend over? Its called complying, if you have done nothing wrong why are you so fearful to show id? You're recording everything so what is the big freaking deal? If your truly worried about your identity then don't record this shit and put it on the web.
Look at the website, PETA makes more sense then them.
[quote]Hunters Rape Nature -Cage-raised birds shot as they are ejected from cages -- deer populations purposely inflated to excess -- government slaughters in the name of "nuisance control." Hunters claim they "harvest" wildlife, but in fact they are raping nature for the thrill of the kill. Check out SHARK's undercover videos exposing these horrors.
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Look at the sites they link to, a lot of corruption links but almost every video they show does not show such a thing just an regular encounter and the person filming being a smug bastard.
oh no instead of giving my id ill just make excuses
[QUOTE=Lamar;34849549]You really like to bend over don't you? He wasn't doing anything wrong, the cop is in with the club, all he's trying to do is give SHARK a hard time by pulling fake statues out of his ass, like making them present Identification and move their vehicles, or say they should wear reflective traffic vests, when in reality they don't have to do any of this.
If he were a respectable cop he wouldn't have bothered them in the beginning because they weren't doing anything wrong whatsoever, it's just harassment on his part.[/QUOTE]
If they're SO sure they're doing nothing wrong they should just comply and give ID, he isn't going to arrest them because he suddenly knows their fucking name.
[QUOTE=BigOwl;34849731]If they're SO sure they're doing nothing wrong they should just comply and give ID, he isn't going to arrest them because he suddenly knows their fucking name.[/QUOTE]
He doesn't need to give him his id because he is in no way compelled to, the same for he's not compelled to reply to his other requests like moving their trucks. The cop is in with the club and is just trying to give SHARK a hard time, that's it.
It's the same thing when a cop "checks up" on a random black guy to make sure "everything is alright", it's just harassment. Do you not see the problem with this?
Who really gives a flying fuck
[QUOTE=Lamar;34849763]He doesn't need to give him his id because he is in no way compelled to, the same for he's not compelled to reply to his other requests like moving their trucks. The cop is in with the club and is just trying to give SHARK a hard time, that's it.
It's the same thing when a cop "checks up" on a random black guy to make sure "everything is alright", it's just harassment. Do you not see the problem with this?[/QUOTE]
The last time someone checked on me to see if everything was okay, I didn't jump up and shout harassment.
[QUOTE=Lamar;34849763]He doesn't need to give him his id because he is in no way compelled to, the same for he's not compelled to reply to his other requests like moving their trucks. The cop is in with the club and is just trying to give SHARK a hard time, that's it.
It's the same thing when a cop "checks up" on a random black guy to make sure "everything is alright", it's just harassment. Do you not see the problem with this?[/QUOTE]
It isn't the same thing, how the hell can you say a cop checking on a black person is harassment. That is like saying cops are just out to get black people and strictly a force filled with white people. Your statement is completely asinine.
[QUOTE=MR-X;34849825]It isn't the same thing, how the hell can you say a cop checking on a black person is harassment. That is like saying cops are just out to get black people and strictly a force filled with white people. Your statement is completely asinine.[/QUOTE]
you've misconstrued what I've said. Random is referring to "unsuspicious", but yes some members of the police force do this occasionally (to deny this would be asinine) and the guy in the video was very clearly doing the same to SHARK. In addition he was misrepresenting the law by pulling out fake statues. If someone has done nothing wrong, you can't continually treat them as they've done something wrong.
The cop backed-off [b]because[/b] he knew he was bullshitting them and realized he wasn't going to get away with, otherwise he would have been able to detain them or give them a citation.
I dislike it when people show bias just because they don't like SHARK.
I dislike it when people show bias just because they like SHARK.
[QUOTE=MR-X;34850509]I dislike it when people show bias just because they like SHARK.[/QUOTE]
I figured you would have wrote that if you were unable to come up with any reasonable counter-argument.
I figured you would have wrote that if you were unable to come up with any reasonable counter-argument.
Seriously though, cops did nothing wrong and the people protesting did nothing wrong. Only reason this whole thing got blown out of proportion is because the people recording/protesting decided to act smug.
They where easily causing a safety hazard by being on the road. All it takes it someone flying down the road to tag one of them. Police officers for example get killed on duty more by traffic accidents (IE getting hit on the side of the road) then anything.
HE asked them nicely to move up and asked them for ID. He didn't get all crazy and start arresting people. Just because the video says there is no statute or law does not mean there is no ordinance or other traffic rules. Just because he didn't know the law does not mean his is stupid, cops have to know a lot of rules, state laws, federal laws, county, city, ordinances, etc.
Just because you can do something does not mean it is right.
It is pretty assholish to video tape and hound people as they're coming and going from the club.
[QUOTE=MR-X;34851233]I figured you would have wrote that if you were unable to come up with any reasonable counter-argument.
Seriously though, cops did nothing wrong and the people protesting did nothing wrong. Only reason this whole thing got blown out of proportion is because the people recording/protesting decided to act smug.
They where easily causing a safety hazard by being on the road. All it takes it someone flying down the road to tag one of them. Police officers for example get killed on duty more by traffic accidents (IE getting hit on the side of the road) then anything.
HE asked them nicely to move up and asked them for ID. He didn't get all crazy and start arresting people. Just because the video says there is no statute or law does not mean there is no ordinance or other traffic rules. Just because he didn't know the law does not mean his is stupid, cops have to know a lot of rules, state laws, federal laws, county, city, ordinances, etc.
Just because you can do something does not mean it is right.
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It is pretty assholish to video tape and hound people as they're coming and going from the club.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, one guy actually pulled a gun on them because of it.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC_zrGwaoMM[/media]
These SHARK guys seem like right cunts
[QUOTE=MR-X;34851233]I figured you would have wrote that if you were unable to come up with any reasonable counter-argument.
Seriously though, cops did nothing wrong and the people protesting did nothing wrong. Only reason this whole thing got blown out of proportion is because the people recording/protesting decided to act smug.
They where easily causing a safety hazard by being on the road. All it takes it someone flying down the road to tag one of them. Police officers for example get killed on duty more by traffic accidents (IE getting hit on the side of the road) then anything.
HE asked them nicely to move up and asked them for ID. He didn't get all crazy and start arresting people. Just because the video says there is no statute or law does not mean there is no ordinance or other traffic rules. Just because he didn't know the law does not mean his is stupid, cops have to know a lot of rules, state laws, federal laws, county, city, ordinances, etc.
Just because you can do something does not mean it is right.
It is pretty assholish to video tape and hound people as they're coming and going from the club.[/QUOTE]
I think pulling statutes out of your ass is wrong. And I'm not talking about those ones about traffic, I'm talking about the one about showing your ID, which you conviniently forgot to mention.
And it doesn't matter if it's a big deal to show ID or not. The cop either didn't know that people don't have to show their IDs or he knew and he lied. Either way he fucked up.
And if everything about their cars was within boundries of law, then you are not causing safety hazard. That's why there are laws about this shit. And if they are doing something that's allowed by the law, why tell them that they are not? Obviously there is another reason for it than upholding the law. And that is why people rage about this.
[QUOTE=Corewarp3;34847457]This isn't really the issue but there's something that's really bugging me.
When a police officer asks for ID, people in the states(at least in the videos I've seen) always say "I don't want to show it to you". I don't fucking get it. In my country(Denmark), if you don't show ID you're almost taken down to the station just based on that. I don't get why people don't want to show the police their IDs, someone explain D:[/QUOTE]
A lot of people think that (And wrongly so) they know the law better than the police, and somehow think being asked to show your ID is violating their constitutional rights and yata yata.
But it isn't. An officer can lawfully ask for your ID if you're not on your property. And in a lot of cases, it's unlawful not to present it, unless you're just walking along doing nothing
Being pulled over just for the sake of being pulled over, is though. Officers MUST have probable cause to do it, but just about anything can be probable cause. Though as long as you follow the law and your car isn't fucked up in some way, you're good to go
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