Nightclub in Germany bans refugees for 'harassing women' - Polidicks

[QUOTE]A club in southern Germany has started ejecting refugees from its premises, leading to accusations of racism. But it says it is simply trying to protect its female clientèle. Last Friday the owner of Brucklyn club in Bad Tölz, Bavaria, told his bouncers not to let a group of young men into the premises. The group had apparently done nothing wrong. The problem was that they were asylum seekers. [B]The situation escalated when a couple of local guests saw what was happening and accused the bouncers of being "Nazis pigs", according to a version of the story given by the club on Facebook.[/B] But in the Facebook post the club admits to blocking entry to refugees in order "to maintain well-being in the club." "This is a clear example of racism,“ Hamado Dipama of the Munich Refugee Council told The Local. "It is totally unacceptable to punish a whole group because of the actions of a few people – that is the definition of racism." "It is absurd for them to treat people who come from so many different parts of the world as refugees do as if they were the same. It would be bad enough if they treated people who came from one country as if they were all the same,“ Dipama said. However, the club sought to explain in its Facebook post that the it was not motivated by racism. "It was never an issue for us what religion, background or skin colour guests have. Everyone comes in as long as he respects a few basic, self-evident rules,“ the post explains. [B]When refugees began to arrive in Bad Tölz early in 2015 the club had allowed them in just like any other customers, the post claims. But young male asylum seekers began harassing women in the establishment, following them to the toilets or calling them "whores“ and offering them money for sex, according to the Facebook post.[/B] The nightclub writes that it faces a dilemma. On the one hand it could ignore the problem and face losing more and more of its old clientèle, as women become more reluctant to drink there. The second alternative is "to only let a limited number of refugees into the club. That way the girls can feel more comfortable" - but on the other hand they are aware this leads to accusations of racism, they say.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.thelocal.de/20151111/club-bans-refugees-after-complaints-from-women[/url]

Why are these "poor helpless refugees fleeing from war" even going to nightclubs in the first place?

[QUOTE=Twistai;49102349]Why are these "poor helpless refugees fleeing from war" even going to nightclubs in the first place?[/QUOTE] They can't have fun? However, they should learn to adjust their behavior to accommodate the culture that they are living in.

[QUOTE=Twistai;49102349]Why are these "poor helpless refugees fleeing from war" even going to nightclubs in the first place?[/QUOTE] Well, maybe there are young people who want to mix with the night-life and have some fun, i feel like that is totally normal even in their situation. But of-course, what these idiots did sounds pretty shitty. I'm calling them idiots because they are somehow finding time to be regressive assholes, when they have fled their countries because of regressive assholes.

[QUOTE=Twistai;49102349]Why are these "poor helpless refugees fleeing from war" even going to nightclubs in the first place?[/QUOTE] For the pussy they not supposed to have. In other words? Hypocrites.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;49102380]They can't have fun? However, they should learn to adjust their behavior to accommodate the culture that they are living in.[/QUOTE] Not with the money they're given so they don't starve to death. And harassing women, calling them whores is not what Europeans consider to be "having fun".

[QUOTE=kurva;49102390]Not with the money they're given so they don't starve to death.[/QUOTE] Not all refugees are poor you know.

[QUOTE=Twistai;49102349]Why are these "poor helpless refugees fleeing from war" even going to nightclubs in the first place?[/QUOTE] IKR, how dare they do recreational things and try to regain some normality in their life! [I][B]Real[/B][/I] """refugees""" don't need none of that, they must be faking it!

As the article states, this sort of thing should be done on an individual basis. If there are complaints about individuals, kick them out. A blanket ban on any group of people is silly and makes the establishment looks bad.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;49102433]refugees from non-western cultures not learning how women are treated in western countries is a problem and you can't deny that. [url]http://www.tb.no/stokke/asylsokere/politi/barn-og-unge-jenter-antastet-av-asylsokere/s/5-76-211141[/url] a group of asylum seekers in Norway molested several young girls passing by the building they lived in (which is in the middle of the town), and the people operating the asylum centre confirmed that "they hadn't had any form of cultural exchange courses or introductions to norwegian culture"...[/QUOTE] You shouldn't need a fucking introduction to European culture to understand not to rape people.

refugee shit, now even on facepunch? we have to endure this crap every time on tv and on the radio refugees, refugees, refugees, i can't stand it anymore, can someone please blow some shit up or something so they will finally talk about something else

[QUOTE=Propane Addict;49102588]You shouldn't need a fucking introduction to European culture to understand not to rape people.[/QUOTE] You'd be surprised. And it's not just limited to mistreatment of people either. There's a reason such is a part of a series of obligatory tests and teachings. Their ethics and cultures are way different from ours.

[QUOTE=Twistai;49102349]Why are these "poor helpless refugees fleeing from war" even going to nightclubs in the first place?[/QUOTE] Why in the fuck do people imply that proper refugees should not take part in everyday life? Should they sit in shanty towns covered in shit and flea-ridden blankets, suffer some to earn their place in the new country? Yeah, fuck them! If you take part in day to day activities, doing better and starting to live a normal life again you are doing it wrong! They should all be begging in the streets and living in filth. If anything, refugees taking part in daily life is a sign that they are quickly adapting to their new environment. If you still don't fucking get it, this is what should preferably happen when you have refugees coming in. Get them away from poverty and into a normal life quickly. Recreational activities are part of a normal life. And if I had just dragged my ass across half the globe, I'd party pretty fucking hard once I had arrived. But you're right. Everyone should play their stereotypical roles like they're supposed to. You're setting a great example by being a small minded prick and they can be poor miserable.

[QUOTE=H4ngman;49102706]Why in the fuck do people imply that proper refugees should not take part in everyday life? Should they sit in shanty towns covered in shit and flea-ridden blankets, suffer some to earn their place in the new country? Yeah, fuck them! If you take part in day to day activities, doing better and starting to live a normal life again you are doing it wrong! They should all be begging in the streets and living in filth. If anything, refugees taking part in daily life is a sign that they are quickly adapting to their new environment. If you still don't fucking get it, this is what should preferably happen when you have refugees coming in. Get them away from poverty and into a normal life quickly. Recreational activities are part of a normal life. And if I had just dragged my ass across half the globe, I'd party pretty fucking hard once I had arrived. But you're right. Everyone should play their stereotypical roles like they're supposed to. You're setting a great example by being a small minded prick and they can be poor miserable.[/QUOTE] I guess I'd be surprised if I as a citizen was paying for them to 1) go out and get drunk and 2) not follow basic human decency with women

[QUOTE=H4ngman;49102706]Why in the fuck do people imply that proper refugees should not take part in everyday life? Should they sit in shanty towns covered in shit and flea-ridden blankets, suffer some to earn their place in the new country? Yeah, fuck them! If you take part in day to day activities, doing better and starting to live a normal life again you are doing it wrong! They should all be begging in the streets and living in filth. If anything, refugees taking part in daily life is a sign that they are quickly adapting to their new environment. If you still don't fucking get it, this is what should preferably happen when you have refugees coming in. Get them away from poverty and into a normal life quickly. Recreational activities are part of a normal life. And if I had just dragged my ass across half the globe, I'd party pretty fucking hard once I had arrived. But you're right. Everyone should play their stereotypical roles like they're supposed to. You're setting a great example by being a small minded prick and they can be poor miserable.[/QUOTE] If these people are refugees and not immigrants they're not really supposed to become full members of the country they go to, they're expected to go back once the conflict they fled from stops.

[QUOTE=moffe;49102777]If these people are refugees and not immigrants they're not really supposed to become full members of the country they go to, they're expected to go back once the conflict they fled from stops.[/QUOTE] You and I both know that's never going to happen. This is just something Europe needs to accept is going to happen, did you guys honestly expect it was going to be sunshine and rainbows?

[QUOTE=H4ngman;49102706]Why in the fuck do people imply that proper refugees should not take part in everyday life? Should they sit in shanty towns covered in shit and flea-ridden blankets, suffer some to earn their place in the new country? Yeah, fuck them! If you take part in day to day activities, doing better and starting to live a normal life again you are doing it wrong! They should all be begging in the streets and living in filth. If anything, refugees taking part in daily life is a sign that they are quickly adapting to their new environment. If you still don't fucking get it, this is what should preferably happen when you have refugees coming in. Get them away from poverty and into a normal life quickly. Recreational activities are part of a normal life. And if I had just dragged my ass across half the globe, I'd party pretty fucking hard once I had arrived. But you're right. Everyone should play their stereotypical roles like they're supposed to. You're setting a great example by being a small minded prick and they can be poor miserable.[/QUOTE] They're not supposed to adapt to their new environment. They're supposed to go back once the war ends.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49102728]I guess I'd be surprised if I as a citizen was paying for them to 1) go out and get drunk and 2) not follow basic human decency with women[/QUOTE] Fucking nobody here knows anything about anyones money, you're just jumping to biased conclusions and forming your opinion around them. Also, two guys talked shit. Big fucking deal, locals do that as well. Literally, I've had more problems with drunken locals in pubs than with any foreigner I've ever met. They didn't firebomb the place or stab someone. Some people are assholes, some assholes are also refugees. This doesn't establish any rule [QUOTE=moffe;49102777]If these people are refugees and not immigrants they're not really supposed to become full members of the country they go to, they're expected to go back once the conflict they fled from stops.[/QUOTE] Who says that if you are not permanently establishing citizenship in a country, you can't go to nightclubs? Literally, what in the hell does the one thing have to do with the other? What else should they be banned from? Restaurants? Public Toilets? Any place that is too much 'Fun' for refugees? I've been to a night club in france once, I didn't fucking move there [QUOTE=kurva;49102922]They're not supposed to adapt to their new environment. They're supposed to go back once the war ends.[/QUOTE] But going to a night club does not have ANYTHING to do with the duration of their stay. Seriously, what is it with people? Are you all afraid they could have too much fun and decide to stay? I don't think it is up to them, regardless of how much they like it here. And if it IS up to them, what difference does a fucking night club visit make then?

[QUOTE=H4ngman;49102942]Who says that if you are not permanently establishing citizenship in a country, you can't go to nightclubs? Literally, what in the hell does the one thing have to do with the other? What else should they be banned from? Restaurants? Public Toilets? Any place that is too much 'Fun' for refugees? I've been to a night club in france once, I didn't fucking move there[/QUOTE] false dichotomies and fallacies! Woo these are great reasons for refugees to go get drunk on tax payer dollars I know it's racist, xenophobic, passe, and a big social phopah to say it, but at least the odd refugee or two, are not going to follow western customs and cultures.

[QUOTE=H4ngman;49102942]And if it IS up to them, what difference does a fucking night club visit make then?[/QUOTE] Clearly sexual and non-sexual harassment as seen in the article.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49102728]I guess I'd be surprised if I as a citizen was paying for them to 1) go out and get drunk and 2) not follow basic human decency with women[/QUOTE] You can tag off them getting drunk, as I thought their faith doesn't even allow them to drink alcohol. This makes their visit to those nightclubs only more dubious if you ask me. And showing that kind of behaviour is just atrocious on their part. Regardless if they are drunk (they aren't) or not.

I'm amazed that some refugees actually have enough capital to go out partying, rather than having to worry about paying for housing and food for themselves and whoever is with them.

[QUOTE=H4ngman;49102942]Who says that if you are not permanently establishing citizenship in a country, you can't go to nightclubs? Literally, what in the hell does the one thing have to do with the other? What else should they be banned from? Restaurants? Public Toilets? Any place that is too much 'Fun' for refugees? I've been to a night club in france once, I didn't fucking move there But going to a night club does not have ANYTHING to do with the duration of their stay. Seriously, what is it with people? Are you all afraid they could have too much fun and decide to stay? I don't think it is up to them, regardless of how much they like it here. And if it IS up to them, what difference does a fucking night club visit make then?[/QUOTE] You're arguing semantics. People aren't advocating that refugees should be barred from everything. They're arguing that a number of refugees who're allocated in Germany (and some other countries of the EU) commit gross misconduct with how they treat women and how they interact with locals. There's also the problem that they've come to cities and have a rather endowed sense of what they should be given, where they mostly complain about not receiving luxuries.

[QUOTE=Jordax;49102982]You can tag off them getting drunk, as I thought their faith doesn't even allow them to drink alcohol.[/QUOTE] I don't know man, the Bible tells you to stone people. I don't see Christians doing that though.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;49102985]I'm amazed that some refugees actually have enough capital to go out partying, rather than having to worry about paying for housing and food for themselves and whoever is with them.[/QUOTE] Germany largely gives refugees free residence & food, if i'm not mistaken.

[QUOTE=H4ngman;49102942]Fucking nobody here knows anything about anyones money, you're just jumping to biased conclusions and forming your opinion around them. Also, two guys talked shit. Big fucking deal, locals do that as well. Literally, I've had more problems with drunken locals in pubs than with any foreigner I've ever met. They didn't firebomb the place or stab someone. Some people are assholes, some assholes are also refugees. This doesn't establish any rule Who says that if you are not permanently establishing citizenship in a country, you can't go to nightclubs? Literally, what in the hell does the one thing have to do with the other? What else should they be banned from? Restaurants? Public Toilets? Any place that is too much 'Fun' for refugees? I've been to a night club in france once, I didn't fucking move there But going to a night club does not have ANYTHING to do with the duration of their stay. Seriously, what is it with people? Are you all afraid they could have too much fun and decide to stay? I don't think it is up to them, regardless of how much they like it here. And if it IS up to them, what difference does a fucking night club visit make then?[/QUOTE] what is with you? Do you intend on just entirely ignoring both the article, and the arguments in order to repeat your same post over and over again?

[QUOTE=Svinnik;49102380]They can't have fun? However, they should learn to adjust their behavior to accommodate the culture that they are living in.[/QUOTE] If the fun is harassing drunk girls then answer is no. I've seen them come in to clubs, then just stand next to the dance floor waiting to find a prey

[QUOTE=kurva;49102977]Clearly sexual and non-sexual harassment as seen in the article.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jordax;49102982]You can tag off them getting drunk, as I thought their faith doesn't even allow them to drink alcohol. This makes their visit to those nightclubs only more dubious if you ask me. And showing that kind of behaviour is just atrocious on their part. Regardless if they are drunk (they aren't) or not.[/QUOTE] Really? Are we just going to act like locals don't do the exact same shit literally all the time? Assholes are part of any group, like it or not. Some refugees are also assholes. But there is no fucking law against being an asshole (believe me, I'd be the first one to pass one) and this does not establish that refugees are more prone to be an asshole? Exactly how would that ever work? [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49103009]what is with you? Do you intend on just entirely ignoring both the article, and the arguments in order to repeat your same post over and over again?[/QUOTE] I just don't get how people keep drawing the same ludicrous conclusions from the information given. There is plenty wrong with the whole refugee situation but people going to nightclubs and acting like assholes is the MILDEST of them. This is a minor inconvenience that says nothing about how fucked this whole situation is as a whole. Really, there is so much going wrong at the moment and THIS is the thing that gets people upset? This sort of situation is not where opinions should be formed. Maybe you're getting the impression that I'm here to defend refugees? That's not my point, my point is that an occurrence like this is nothing to develop strong feelings about, one direction or another, because it is NOTHING compared to the REAL problems we have with this refugee situation. This entire thing establishes no solid facts about anything. Why would anyone raise their voice against the refugee situation based on this article, it just makes no sense to me. There are way bigger problems than someone getting insulted and bothered on their night out drinking

it's certainly true that people outside our cultures have a different way of treating women, i've had friends shocked at the way men from other cultures have regarded them. and yes it is true that you should focus on the individual and not ban an entire group, however, the club can certainly have a cautious eye towards the refugees if it can be proven that a higher proportion of the refugees are assholes

[QUOTE=H4ngman;49103025]Really? Are we just going to act like locals don't do the exact same shit literally all the time? Assholes are part of any group, like it or not. Some refugees are also assholes. But there is no fucking law against being an asshole (believe me, I'd be the first one to pass one) and this does not establish that refugees are more prone to be an asshole? Exactly how would that ever work?[/QUOTE] 1. Two wrongs don't make a right 2. No, the locals don't cause this kind of shit as often as you think. I'd believe you if I haven't been to European clubs and seen the situation for myself. Face the facts. It's not in the bedouin culture to respect women. I live in a Muslim country and the average person here thinks European women are whores, because that's how they're portrayed in the media. The average Syrian who arrives in Europe expects blonde women to line up to suck their dicks. And it's not just the media, it's also integrated in our Islamic mindset. Women are inferior. Now don't start with "But Christianity blah blah too". The difference is, Muslims are way more religion and culture oriented than Christians.