• New Polling of British Muslims Shows 52% Think Homosexuality Should Be Illegal, 23% Want Sharia
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[url]http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law?CMP=share_btn_tw[/url] [QUOTE]British Muslims are more likely to feel a strong connection to Britain than the population at large, according to polling, which also found that more than half think that homosexuality should be illegal. Extensive polling conducted by ICM suggests that in most cases attitudes held by the British Muslim population do not broadly differ from those held by the population at large, but there are significant differences when it comes to some issues such as homosexuality and women’s rights. Trevor Phillips, the former head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said the findings were “extremely worrying” as they suggested on many issues Muslims were “nation within a nation”. He called for a more “muscular approach” to integration. [B]The research suggests that 86% of British Muslims feel a strong sense of belonging in Britain, which is higher than the national average of 83%. A large majority (91%) of the British Muslims who took part in the survey said they felt a strong sense of belonging in their local area, which is higher than the national average of 76%. [/B] Of those questioned, 88% said Britain was a good place for Muslims to live in, and 78% said they would like to integrate into British life on most things apart from Islamic schooling and some laws. [B]However, when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population. [/B] In a series of questions on the terror threat in Britain, 4% said they sympathised with people who took part in suicide bombings (1% said they completely sympathised and 3% said they sympathised to some extent), and 4% said they sympathised with people who committed terrorist actions as a form of political protest generally. [B]Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”,[/B] compared with 5% of the country as a whole. Two-thirds (66%) said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers, and a further 13% condemned them to some extent. Nearly a third (31%) thought it was acceptable for a British Muslim man to have more than one wife, compared with 8% of the wider population. ICM conducted face-to-face, at-home interviews with a representative sample of 1,000 Muslims across the UK between 25 April and 31 May 2015. A control sample of 1,008 people representative of the country as a whole were interviewed over the phone to provide a comparison. The polling was commissioned by Channel 4 for a documentary, What British Muslims Really Think, which is due to be broadcast on Wednesday presented by Phillips. Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, he said: [B]“On specific issues – families, sexuality, gender, attitudes towards Jews and on questions of violence and terrorism – the centre of gravity of British Muslim opinion is some distance away from the centre of gravity of everyone else’s opinion. “One in six Muslims say they would like to live more separately, a quarter would like to live under sharia law. It means that as a society we have a group of people who basically do not want to participate in the way that other people [do]“.[/B][/QUOTE]
Those aren't the best statistics.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50110628]Those aren't the best statistics.[/QUOTE] I think you forgot the part where you explain your comment further.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50110645]I think you forgot the part where you explain your comment further.[/QUOTE] what, are you dumb? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming" - GunFox))[/highlight]
1000 is a ridicilously small sample size. The UK has almost 1.6 million muslims. I don't think they even bothered to spread out their sample size either. My guess is they just talked to 1000 muslims in a few close-knit communities in like 2 or 3 towns max.
These "Muslims" vs. the "national average" polling are such horseshit in the way they separates Muslims from the common "British" The people who eagerly post this poll completely disregard what UK Christians or Jews think in order to lump the Muslims in a "us vs. them" mindset. [quote]Shaista Gohir, the chair of the Muslim Women’s Network UK,[B] said interviews with other religious groups such as devout Jews and Christians would probably reveal similar social attitudes[/B] to those thrown up by the polling. She said that although any prejudice against gay people was unacceptable, [B]the fact that nearly 50% of Muslims did not think homosexuality should be illega[/B]l was a sign that attitudes were shifting.[/quote] Do you know what the difference was between Muslims and British Christians who think homosexuality should be allowed?[B] 10 percent.[/B] [B]61% of UK Christians[/B] saying homosexuality should be legal vs.[B] 50% of Muslims[/B] saying homosexuality should also be legal is not a fucking big deal enough to focus on Muslims as the OP commonly does. [URL]https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/ipsos-mori-religious-and-social-attitudes-topline-2012.pdf[/URL] On more further polling, only 38% of Britons (Christians) think UK state-funded school science lessons should not equally teach the Genesis-story that God created the world and all the life forms in it in 6 days.
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;50110663]1000 is a ridicilously small sample size. The UK has almost 1.6 million muslims. I don't think they even bothered to spread out their sample size either. My guess is they just talked to 1000 muslims in a few close-knit communities in like 2 or 3 towns max.[/QUOTE] that's actually how statistics work iirc
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;50110663]1000 is a ridicilously small sample size. The UK has almost 1.6 million muslims. I don't think they even bothered to spread out their sample size either. My guess is they just talked to 1000 muslims in a few close-knit communities in like 2 or 3 towns max.[/QUOTE] 1000, if done properly, should be more than enough to get a pretty small margin of error (probably 2-3% in this case). I don't know why people are shocked that religious people (of course this is a generalization) have bigoted and ignorant views - as starpluck showed, this is pretty universal. It must change though.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;50110664]These "Muslims" vs. the "national average" polling are such horseshit in the way they separates Muslims from the common "British" The people who eagerly post this poll completely disregard what UK Christians or Jews think in order to lump the Muslims in a "us vs. them" mindset. Do you know what the difference was between Muslims and British Christians who think homosexuality should be allowed?[B] 10 percent.[/B] [B]61% of UK Christians[/B] saying homosexuality should be legal vs.[B] 50% of Muslims[/B] saying homosexuality should also be legal is not a fucking big deal enough to focus on Muslims as the OP commonly does. [URL]https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Polls/ipsos-mori-religious-and-social-attitudes-topline-2012.pdf[/URL] On more further polling, only 38% of Britons (Christians) think the Genesis-story that God created the world and all the life forms in it in 6 days should [B]not [/B]be taught in UK state-funded school science lessons.[/QUOTE] I can't find the statistic you're citing.
Page 10, question 41.
I see what you've done. You make the question 'Homosexuals should have the same legal rights in all aspects of their lives as heterosexuals' and pretended its the same thing about homosexuality being legal. Could you stop lying?
Some more context from the article that may be relevant: [quote]“What this [polling] highlights is that the community hasn’t progressed from what was happening in the 80s and ... that they have been isolated without being able to have further integration,” he said. Mahmood [Labour MP for Perry Barr] argued that this was in large part due to a shortage of housing, which had led to overcrowding in British Asian areas. “It’s not for the want of trying,” he added. [...] Shaista Gohir, the chair of the Muslim Women’s Network UK, said interviews with other religious groups such as devout Jews and Christians would probably reveal similar social attitudes to those thrown up by the polling. She said that although any prejudice against gay people was unacceptable, the fact that nearly 50% of Muslims did not think homosexuality should be illegal was a sign that attitudes were shifting. “Although they may not accept it from a religious point of view, [Muslims] accept that people should be able to have the freedom and right not be discriminated against and and live their lives,” said Gohir, adding that LGBT Muslims were beginning to speak out publicly and increasing numbers of Muslim families were having to come to terms with family members coming out as gay. She said the findings on women’s issues did not reflect changing attitudes among younger generations of British Muslims, arguing that younger Muslim women were coming to better understand what their rights were according to the teachings of Islam.[/quote] Seems like it's a rather complicated situation that needs to be seen in a broader generational context to offset snapshots with trends. Also [url="http://www.icmunlimited.com/data/media/pdf/Mulims-full-suite-data-plus-topline.pdf"]here[/url] is the raw survey data in case anyone wants to scan through it.
You realise they probably read that as a question about gay marriage, right?
When going over stuff like this it's helpful to remind oneself that whatever deviant sub-group you're looking for, you're likely to find it. I.E a few percent of the population think that Hitler's ideas were pretty great, and so on..
53% well I guess it could be worse
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;50110696]Some more context from the article that may be relevant: Seems like it's a rather complicated situation that needs to be seen in a broader generational context to offset snapshots with trends.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be too hopeful. Anecdotally, British Muslims have become more conservative over time, not more liberal. I can't find polling, but this anecdote has come from a huge range of both Muslim and non-Muslim sources. For example, women to be wearing a full veil would have been extremely rare in the past but is now common-place. [editline]11th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Im Crimson;50110699]When going over stuff like this it's helpful to remind oneself that whatever deviant sub-group you're looking for, you're likely to find it. I.E a few percent of the population think that Hitler's ideas were pretty great, and so on..[/QUOTE] That's why I ignored the sympathy with terrorists bit, because it was low to the point of irrelevance. I suspect if you polled the public at large you would get a few percent sympathising as well.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50110706]I wouldn't be too hopeful. Anecdotally, British Muslims have become more conservative over time, not more liberal. I can't find polling, but this anecdote has come from a huge range of both Muslim and non-Muslim sources. For example, women to be wearing a full veil would have been extremely rare in the past but is now common-place.[/QUOTE] Not according to what I quoted of the chair of the Muslim Women’s Network UK, which I'd value higher than anecdotal evidence prone to negativity bias.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50110706]I wouldn't be too hopeful. Anecdotally, British Muslims have become more conservative over time, not more liberal. I can't find polling, but this anecdote has come from a huge range of both Muslim and non-Muslim sources. For example, women to be wearing a full veil would have been extremely rare in the past but is now common-place. [/QUOTE] Well from my experience its exactly the opposite with the kids of muslim families being far more progressive than their parents. To the extent that it can lead to friction in the family. If I'm honest it just sounds like you are saying something without any kind of evidence to back it up; with the intention of misleading people/making people agree with your anti-immigration views.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50110768]Well from my experience its exactly the opposite with the kids of muslim families being far more progressive than their parents. To the extent that it can lead to friction in the family. If I'm honest it just sounds like you are saying something without any kind of evidence to back it up; with the intention of misleading people/making people agree with your anti-immigration views.[/QUOTE] I don't have anti-immigration views... I support the current level of immigration into Britain.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;50110654]what, are you dumb?[/QUOTE] If I say yes, will you educate me? Or insult me further?
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50110780]I don't have anti-immigration views... I support the current level of immigration into Britain.[/QUOTE] Possibly making this thread was a mistake. Remember where you are and look at everybody rushing to tell you you're wrong :v:
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;50110849]Possibly making this thread was a mistake. Remember where you are :v:[/QUOTE] The islamic republic of facepunchistan. Grand Shah Garry al newmahni issues a fatwah against the kuffar infadel as they try in vain to defence europe against the dark tide that is 100000s of muslim rapists?
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50110856]The islamic republic of facepunchistan. Grand Shah Garry al newmahni issues a fatwah against the kuffar infadel as they try in vain to defence europe against the dark tide that is 100000s of muslim rapists?[/QUOTE] Are you actually 10? What on God's green Earth could I think of to reply to that? Yes. Nice bait though.
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;50110663]1000 is a ridicilously small sample size. The UK has almost 1.6 million muslims. I don't think they even bothered to spread out their sample size either. My guess is they just talked to 1000 muslims in a few close-knit communities in like 2 or 3 towns max.[/QUOTE] Its a completely valid sample size though. Most polls are done on such samples.
Makes sense since homosexuality is illegal in p much all muslim countries + ISIS/Palestine as opposed to almost all western nations [IMG]https://76crimes.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/world-map-640p-2-2015-of-78-countries.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Melnek;50110673]that's actually how statistics work iirc[/QUOTE] Not accurate statistics
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50111024]Not accurate statistics[/QUOTE] yes accurate statistics, 1000 is a good and normal sample size
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50111024]Not accurate statistics[/QUOTE] [img]https://i.gyazo.com/290c616a3a18f3b0dea607bd5eec9b62.png[/img] [url]http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;50110663]1000 is a ridicilously small sample size. The UK has almost 1.6 million muslims. I don't think they even bothered to spread out their sample size either. My guess is they just talked to 1000 muslims in a few close-knit communities in like 2 or 3 towns max.[/QUOTE] It is a thousand British Muslims. A thousand people. Humor me though, does it surprise you? People like to say Muslims are moderate at large, but I'd say they are about as moderate as your average, emotionally-loaded Internet commentator on the subject of death penalty.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50111147]It is a thousand British Muslims. A thousand people. Humor me though, does it surprise you? People like to say Muslims are moderate at large, but I'd say they are about as moderate as your average, emotionally-loaded Internet commentator.[/QUOTE] A thousand British muslims that, if done correctly, represent all muslims living in Britain.
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