• Half in the Bag Episode 100: Star Wars: The Force Awakens
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[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvsiJppCdmk[/media] Maybe they'll get off the mountain.
I love how you can totally tell they recorded all this at like 4am because Jay is drinking coffee and they're both not just drinking beer.
Well that settles it, I'm off to see the movie in IMAX 3D five times in a row.
Spoilers? Generally HITB contains them, but for all I know they may have decided no to in this one.
pretty much agree with what they've said throughout the video, could be a little more harsh though but then you remember the prequel episodes
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49355545]Spoilers? Generally HITB contains them, but for all I know they may have decided no to in this one.[/QUOTE] They give a spoiler warning but not sure when the spoilers end.
[QUOTE=spekter;49355673]They give a spoiler warning but not sure when the spoilers end.[/QUOTE] They talk spoilers throughout the rest of the video really
Pretty much fully agreed with them. It's an enjoyable Star Wars film. Nothing more, nothing less. I may actually go see it again, but mostly because I saw it at a Movie Tavern, and the waitstaff seemed to drop by at the most inopportune times. [sp]Like the scene where Han Solo dies. I'm dead serious.[/sp] Just don't look at the Youtube comments for the review. Lots of people complaining about how they didn't tear it a new asshole because they somehow felt TFA was worse than Phantom Menace. As well as the usual people who were expecting it to be a Plinkett review despite the movie not being out on Blu-ray yet. Personally, I think it's more in the middle. It's enjoyable, fun, and has strong characters (unlike the prequels), but never really reaches the heights of the original trilogy.
I dunno, I more with Mike. I enjoyed it about on par with A New Hope, which is still below Empire but also really good.
Okay, watched it now. Generally I agree with them, but I think I would've been slightly harsher on some points. [sp]I don't think the Starkiller really makes sense - they blow up the republic's ships (and their five (what?) planets) like they're some kind of threat, which makes me think; did they not know about The New Order's plans at all? And why does the Resistance still only have like thirty ships? Who's controlling what, and to what degree? How much of a loss does the Starkiller represent for The New Order?[/sp] It's really one of the more troubling aspects of the movie.
[QUOTE=Rahu X;49356785]Pretty much fully agreed with them. It's an enjoyable Star Wars film. Nothing more, nothing less. I may actually go see it again, but mostly because I saw it at a Movie Tavern, and the waitstaff seemed to drop by at the most inopportune times. [sp]Like the scene where Han Solo dies. I'm dead serious.[/sp] Just don't look at the Youtube comments for the review. Lots of people complaining about how they didn't tear it a new asshole because they somehow felt TFA was worse than Phantom Menace. As well as the usual people who were expecting it to be a Plinkett review despite the movie not being out on Blu-ray yet. Personally, I think it's more in the middle. It's enjoyable, fun, and has strong characters (unlike the prequels), but never really reaches the heights of the original trilogy.[/QUOTE] I havent watched the movie and I clicked your spoiler... Jesus fucking christ I'm stupid.
i wish they talked more about just how good all the set design and shit was. There are so many little elements in everything, the whole movie is just so fucking beautiful. You could watch the movie on mute and still get some sort of awe-factor from the visuals and editing alone. (barring the ending helicopter spin shot). I loved the real attention to detail and I loved how they creatively and consciously thought about how scenes were going to be shot. I mean sure, a lot of the feel and soul is straight from a new hope, but I think cinematography wise there was a whole lot more to it than the original trilogy. Another thing I felt when watching the movie is practically 20 minutes in I felt like every preconception I had of the Star Wars universe I just totally forgot about. They were somehow able to catch that feel of A New Hope but without making it completely stuck to it, I felt like what I was watching was fleshing out the old formula by A LOT instead of just going straight with it. They definitely brought a lot of new things despite being so closely tied to the first movie. Another thing, there was a tinge of maturity that the original trilogy didn't have. I mean they weren't afraid to get a tiny bit more brutal, I mean it's star wars. Wars. War is heavy shit. I mean it's not like a fuckin band of brothers star wars or anything, but I appreciated they actually showed a bit of blood, they showed the force of impact of some of the blasters, they showed how much a lightsaber fucking HURTS, they showed [sp]Kylo Ren fucking punching his blaster wounded hip to fuel his power and showing the blood in the snow from it[/sp] that was fucking rad.
Something I really liked was there seemed to be just a little more character overall to the New Order. A lot of focus was on the New Order as a group, not just Kylo Ren. You got to see more of the Stormtroopers and such, given a little personality. They mentioned it in video but one thing that stood out was [sp]on the actual base, after Rei's escape, when the two Stormtrooper hear Kylo Ren's tantrum and stop and turn away. Its funny, but it made the Stormtroopers actual characters, just giving them even a bit of awareness and self-preservation.[/sp] Also loved that the Stormtroopers seemed much better trained. [sp]They actually can hit shit, they knew how to fight and kinda work as units. One of my favorite parts was during the attack on Maz's bar, when the Stormtrooper spots Finn and shouts "Traitor!" The way he yelled that at Finn, the raw anger in his tone, it made me genuinely giddy in my seat. And then seeing the two of them actually fighting, and later when Finn duel's Kylo Ren, the Stormtrooper training has clearly been stepped up, they're being taught to actually fight.[/sp] Overall, I feel The Force Awakes is closer to the Original trilogy in terms of quality than the Prequel trilogy. One thing I can say at least is that I want to see where it goes next, I'm curious to see how things progress. The Prequels, couldn't give a fuck between one to the next.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49358711]Something I really liked was there seemed to be just a little more character overall to the New Order. A lot of focus was on the New Order as a group, not just Kylo Ren. You got to see more of the Stormtroopers and such, given a little personality. They mentioned it in video but one thing that stood out was [sp]on the actual base, after Rei's escape, when the two Stormtrooper hear Kylo Ren's tantrum and stop and turn away. Its funny, but it made the Stormtroopers actual characters, just giving them even a bit of awareness and self-preservation.[/sp] Also loved that the Stormtroopers seemed much better trained. [sp]They actually can hit shit, they knew how to fight and kinda work as units. One of my favorite parts was during the attack on Maz's bar, when the Stormtrooper spots Finn and shouts "Traitor!" The way he yelled that at Finn, the raw anger in his tone, it made me genuinely giddy in my seat. And then seeing the two of them actually fighting, and later when Finn duel's Kylo Ren, the Stormtrooper training has clearly been stepped up, they're being taught to actually fight.[/sp] Overall, I feel The Force Awakes is closer to the Original trilogy in terms of quality than the Prequel trilogy. One thing I can say at least is that I want to see where it goes next, I'm curious to see how things progress. The Prequels, couldn't give a fuck between one to the next.[/QUOTE] [sp]the whole "stormtroopers are terrible shot" trope is bullshit to begin with. It comes from them not hitting any of the heroes during the death star sequence when the stormtroopers WERE ORDERED TO LET THEM ESCAPE. Even Obiwan notes that the Stormtroopers are good shots during the scene with the annihilated sand crawler on Tattooine in episode 4. And look at Hoth. The Imperials absolutely wrecked the rebels on their base there and forced them to evacuate with significant losses. Stormtroopers have always been trained well. They're an ultra-elite military fighting force born and bred from only the best Mandalorian DNA. The same Clonetroopers that kicked ass in the prequels and completely killed off all but 2 Jedi in the entire galaxy, is the same Stormtroopers that kicked ass in the sequels. The whole "stormtrooprs are bad shots" is a complete myth.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49358746][sp]the whole "stormtroopers are terrible shot" trope is bullshit to begin with. It comes from them not hitting any of the heroes during the death star sequence when the stormtroopers WERE ORDERED TO LET THEM ESCAPE. Even Obiwan notes that the Stormtroopers are good shots during the scene with the annihilated sand crawler on Tattooine in episode 4. And look at Hoth. The Imperials absolutely wrecked the rebels on their base there and forced them to evacuate with significant losses. Stormtroopers have always been trained well. They're an ultra-elite military fighting force born and bred from only the best Mandalorian DNA. The same Clonetroopers that kicked ass in the prequels and completely killed off all but 2 Jedi in the entire galaxy, is the same Stormtroopers that kicked ass in the sequels. The whole "stormtrooprs are bad shots" is a complete myth.[/sp][/QUOTE] False on that second paragraph. [sp]Since Star Wars Rebels is canon, and the movie itself references this tidbit when Kylo is going, "Maybe a Clone Army would do better," Stormtroopers are mostly conscripts with a few remaining clones still in service. They're legitimately bad shots because they can't see properly out of their armor compared to the Clone Troopers, although it seems the First Order is rectifying some of this to a degree with better-trained troops. When the Republic Commando team actually comes back for Rebels, you blatantly see just how much of a skill disparity there is between the Clone soldiers and the Stormtroopers.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49358746][sp]the whole "stormtroopers are terrible shot" trope is bullshit to begin with. It comes from them not hitting any of the heroes during the death star sequence when the stormtroopers WERE ORDERED TO LET THEM ESCAPE. Even Obiwan notes that the Stormtroopers are good shots during the scene with the annihilated sand crawler on Tattooine in episode 4. And look at Hoth. The Imperials absolutely wrecked the rebels on their base there and forced them to evacuate with significant losses. Stormtroopers have always been trained well. They're an ultra-elite military fighting force born and bred from only the best Mandalorian DNA. The same Clonetroopers that kicked ass in the prequels and completely killed off all but 2 Jedi in the entire galaxy, is the same Stormtroopers that kicked ass in the sequels. The whole "stormtrooprs are bad shots" is a complete myth.[/sp][/QUOTE] Very few storm troopers are clones, and a majority are conscripts or volunteers in the original trilogy, with some clones in the ultra elite roles. So no, there's no DNA traveled down the line. Hell, even TFA storm troopers are explained to be different than either the clones or the conscripted original trilogy storm troopers in an entire sub plot of the film, as they are [sp]abducted babies that are raised to fight from birth, as a half conscript half clone compromise.[/sp]
[QUOTE=RikohZX;49358835]False on that second paragraph. [sp]Since Star Wars Rebels is canon, and the movie itself references this tidbit when Kylo is going, "Maybe a Clone Army would do better," Stormtroopers are mostly conscripts with a few remaining clones still in service. They're legitimately bad shots because they can't see properly out of their armor compared to the Clone Troopers, although it seems the First Order is rectifying some of this to a degree with better-trained troops. When the Republic Commando team actually comes back for Rebels, you blatantly see just how much of a skill disparity there is between the Clone soldiers and the Stormtroopers.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] dood. Fin is literally a clone. Why do you think he doesn't have a name? Kylo was being a sarcastic pissbaby when he said that.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49358855][sp] dood. Fin is literally a clone. Why do you think he doesn't have a name? Kylo was being a sarcastic pissbaby when he said that.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp] Did you watch the movie? Finn explains, quite literally, that he was abducted as a kid. Kylo had no reason to lie, and obviously was hinting at the little abduction plan (taking kids and raising them to be super loyal soldiers) not being as good as clones, especially since he probably idolizes the legends of Vader's clone army. Plus, you're telling me every storm trooper looks like Finn? No, the Force Awakens storm troopers are kids turned super soldiers, the original trilogy storm troopers are conscripts and volunteers, with some clone elites, and the prequels are clones. Simple. Hell, Captain what'shername isn't even a man.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49358855][sp] dood. Fin is literally a clone. Why do you think he doesn't have a name? Kylo was being a sarcastic pissbaby when he said that.[/sp][/QUOTE][sp]He was taken as a child. He says it himself. Not to mention there's a female Stormtrooper which I don't think I recall any female Clonetroopers or Stormtroopers prior to her talking with Kylo Ren.[/sp]
[sp]I'm seriously confused about what the relation was between the "Republic," the resistance, and the New Order. Does anyone have answers to this?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49358961][sp]I'm seriously confused about what the relation was between the "Republic," the resistance, and the New Order. Does anyone have answers to this?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]My guess is that the Resistance itself acted as a small third party that was funded by the Republic as a way of Combating the Rising power of the New Order. In the Story, which basically was told during the beginning of the movie, The Republic and the New Order were in a cease fire/cold war/armed race, and to combat the New Order's rising power, the resistance was formed to sabotage the New Order's operation while not pulling the whole galaxy into another Fuck job of a war.[/sp]
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49358062]Okay, watched it now. Generally I agree with them, but I think I would've been slightly harsher on some points. [sp]I don't think the Starkiller really makes sense - they blow up the republic's ships (and their five (what?) planets) like they're some kind of threat, which makes me think; did they not know about The New Order's plans at all? And why does the Resistance still only have like thirty ships? Who's controlling what, and to what degree? How much of a loss does the Starkiller represent for The New Order?[/sp] It's really one of the more troubling aspects of the movie.[/QUOTE] [sp]i thought he was punching it as a release? like when you have a seering cut or a small infected wound and putting pressure on it gives a very brief relief/satisfaction[/sp]
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49358961][sp]I'm seriously confused about what the relation was between the "Republic," the resistance, and the New Order. Does anyone have answers to this?[/sp][/QUOTE] Far as I can tell from what i've looked up, [sp]the New Republic became the governing body after the Empire collapsed, and the First Order rose from the ashes and remnants of the Empire with little to no explanation as to how they amassed such power. The two were probably at odds but never came to blows, so Leia and her resistance forces moved to strike back against the First Order to prevent another Imperial reign, only for the First Order to promptly do what they do in the movie, and nuke the senate of the New Republic and the entire surrounding system into space dust.[/sp] The movie is pretty much utterly terrible about explaining the faction factors or where the hell the First Order got all their power from or so forth. [sp]Much less how they were able to build an entire sun-powered Starkiller Base as a planetary Death Star 2.0. The original Death Star didn't get much explanation, although it did eventually get expanded on, but the First Order literally is just a severely powerful commanding and authoritative force that.. came out of nowhere and get no context despite NOT being the rulers of the galaxy.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49358961][sp]I'm seriously confused about what the relation was between the "Republic," the resistance, and the New Order. Does anyone have answers to this?[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The Republic is the New Republic which was formed after Episode 6 by the Rebels. It is the government most of the known galaxy is controlled by. The First Order is the remnants of the Empire that fled to largely unknown space. The Resistance, is an organized insurgency (backed by the Republic unofficially) that operates in First Order controlled territory with the hopes of finishing the job since the Republic and First Order signed a peace treaty at some point. [/sp] At least, that's how I understood it.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;49358994]Far as I can tell from what i've looked up, [sp]the New Republic became the governing body after the Empire collapsed, and the First Order rose from the ashes and remnants of the Empire with little to no explanation as to how they amassed such power. The two were probably at odds but never came to blows, so Leia and her resistance forces moved to strike back against the First Order to prevent another Imperial reign, only for the First Order to promptly do what they do in the movie, and nuke the senate of the New Republic and the entire surrounding system into space dust.[/sp] The movie is pretty much utterly terrible about explaining the faction factors or where the hell the First Order got all their power from or so forth. [sp]Much less how they were able to build an entire sun-powered Starkiller Base as a planetary Death Star 2.0. The original Death Star didn't get much explanation, although it did eventually get expanded on, but the First Order literally is just a severely powerful commanding and authoritative force that.. came out of nowhere and get no context despite NOT being the rulers of the galaxy.[/sp][/QUOTE] Star Forge!
[QUOTE=RikohZX;49358835]False on that second paragraph. [sp]Since Star Wars Rebels is canon, and the movie itself references this tidbit when Kylo is going, "Maybe a Clone Army would do better," Stormtroopers are mostly conscripts with a few remaining clones still in service. They're legitimately bad shots because they can't see properly out of their armor compared to the Clone Troopers, although it seems the First Order is rectifying some of this to a degree with better-trained troops. When the Republic Commando team actually comes back for Rebels, you blatantly see just how much of a skill disparity there is between the Clone soldiers and the Stormtroopers.[/sp][/QUOTE] completely false, the newly canon battlefront book which goes WAY more into detail with equipment capabilities and the imperials as a whole, point out that stormtrooper helmets/suits are fucking state of the art tech. canonically Each helmet has a smoke/biotoxin filter [sp]which i raised an eyebrow at when finn said that it doesnt when they were planning to flood their ship with the deadly gas[/sp], An advance 3d image scanner that sees through smoke/fire/and the dark, It also has an advanced targeting computer for accurate blaster fire, and finally have a comlink built in. This is one reason why stormtroopers are to never take off their helmets unless its an emergency [sp]also why fin got yelled at by phasma for doing such[/sp]. Even republic commando had most of those features, and that's from the clone era of tech. Their suits are actually like power armor that auto fits to their body and has a built in AC/heat system for more extreme climates. That was one massive advantage the imperials had over the rebels on hoth due to the rebels already suffering from exhaustion when out in the snow. [editline]20th December 2015[/editline] The helmets are such a guarded secret that they will not turn on unless its been cracked by the black market, or the actual designated user is using it.
I always liked the original Star Wars movies because they were simple fantasy. But people turned it into this huge massive complicated lore so people could argue about shit. It's like instead of talking about the movie itself now the discussion has fallen into how accurately were power suits portrayed according to small lore tidbits found in books and shit. I dont know im tired so maybe im just being a dick but this is part of the reason why Star Wars lost its magic for me before this new movie came out. It went from being about simple fantasy adventure to being this huge Star Trek tier network of lore.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;49358746][sp]the whole "stormtroopers are terrible shot" trope is bullshit to begin with. It comes from them not hitting any of the heroes during the death star sequence when the stormtroopers WERE ORDERED TO LET THEM ESCAPE. Even Obiwan notes that the Stormtroopers are good shots during the scene with the annihilated sand crawler on Tattooine in episode 4. And look at Hoth. The Imperials absolutely wrecked the rebels on their base there and forced them to evacuate with significant losses. Stormtroopers have always been trained well. They're an ultra-elite military fighting force born and bred from only the best Mandalorian DNA. The same Clonetroopers that kicked ass in the prequels and completely killed off all but 2 Jedi in the entire galaxy, is the same Stormtroopers that kicked ass in the sequels. The whole "stormtrooprs are bad shots" is a complete myth.[/sp][/QUOTE] The idea that all stormtroopers are clones is retarded and I refuse to believe it.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49355545]Spoilers? Generally HITB contains them, but for all I know they may have decided no to in this one.[/QUOTE] Generally if I am concerned about spoilers I don't watch a HITB
[QUOTE=BenJammin';49359085]I always liked the original Star Wars movies because they were simple fantasy. But people turned it into this huge massive complicated lore so people could argue about shit. It's like instead of talking about the movie itself now the discussion has fallen into how accurately were power suits portrayed according to small lore tidbits found in books and shit. I dont know im tired so maybe im just being a dick but this is part of the reason why Star Wars lost its magic for me before this new movie came out. It went from being about simple fantasy adventure to being this huge Star Trek tier network of lore.[/QUOTE] If there is ever a fantasy story people love, lore will get created. It's a by product of the love for the films/books ect
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