Asra Nomani, liberal Muslim, Says She Voted For Trump In Order To Shut Down Liberal Honor Brigade - General

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1pScU33Vvw[/media] Also it conveniently cuts off once again when someone makes a point. Like CNN is really just on a roll with that and how it happens at the [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qTegcMT3g]most[/url] unfortunate [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWqa2EIBAxY]moments[/url].

That's nice? My dad and his family, liberal Muslims who immigrated from Iran to the United States, voted against him. I voted against him too. Also, I'm fairly certain we're not a part of this "liberal honor brigade". We just don't like people who treat us like we're shit because we have a different ethnic and religious background, who think and openly say that we should be put on watchlists for it, etc.

[QUOTE=Govna;51355209]That's nice? My dad and his family, liberal Muslims who immigrated from Iran to the United States, voted against him. I voted against him too. Also, I'm fairly certain we're not a part of this "liberal honor brigade". We just don't like people who treat us like we're shit because we have a different ethnic and religious background, who think and openly say that we should be put on watchlists for it, etc.[/QUOTE] The liberal honor brigade is referring to SJWs not other muslims necessarily.

I can sympathize with people wanting to spite "sjws" that constantly try to speak for and be be offended for others, but I don't think an election is a good place to do it.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51355265]The liberal honor brigade is referring to SJWs not other muslims necessarily.[/QUOTE] "We see them [the liberal honor brigade] marching on the streets right now because they don't like the election results." It's almost as if people don't like it when somebody who runs a presidential campaign based around fearmongering against everybody from gays and Muslims to Hispanics and progressives loses the popular vote and who lies continuously to enrich himself and his campaign at the expense of others (not to mention who denies climate change, a topic we can't afford to be stupid about at this point because of how the planet is literally falling the fuck apart), and who is clearly not wanted by the majority of the country (evidenced by the fact he lost the popular vote)... is still handed victory in that election by an outdated, corrupt system (the electoral college) which in Trump's own words, just before the 2012 election, is "a disaster for a democracy". I'm sorry, but this woman does not have a valid point to sell. The people marching against Trump right now are not generalizable as SJWs or "the liberal honor brigade" or any other meaningless buzzword or undefined term. There's many, many legitimate reasons to be opposed to him as a person-- the majority of which he created himself through his inciteful statements, his boasting and tough guy posturing, and his behavior. [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1541210]Others have pointed them out in your SH thread[/url].

[QUOTE=Govna;51355461]"We see them [the liberal honor brigade] marching on the streets right now because they don't like the election results." It's almost as if people don't like it when somebody who runs a presidential campaign based around fearmongering against everybody from gays and Muslims to Hispanics and progressives loses the popular vote and who lies continuously to enrich himself and his campaign at the expense of others (not to mention who denies climate change, a topic we can't afford to be stupid about at this point because of how the planet is literally falling the fuck apart), and who is clearly not wanted by the majority of the country (evidenced by the fact he lost the popular vote)... is still handed victory in that election by an outdated, corrupt system (the electoral college) which in Trump's own words, just before the 2012 election, is "a disaster for a democracy". I'm sorry, but this woman does not have a valid point to sell. The people marching against Trump right now are not generalizable as SJWs or "the liberal honor brigade" or any other meaningless buzzword or undefined term. There's many, many legitimate reasons to be opposed to him as a person-- the majority of which he created himself through his inciteful statements, his boasting and tough guy posturing, and his behavior. [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1541210]Others have pointed them out in your SH thread[/url].[/QUOTE] Take some fucking responsibility. BOTH candidates lied BOTH candidates incited fear BOTH candidates increased political divides BOTH candidates benefit from the "broken" college NEITHER Candidate was wanted by half the country(less than 49% each) The electoral college did not rig the election State for state the republicans won County for county the republicans won Don't assume everyone voted based on their race Don't assume everyone voted to oppress other race Figure out why the democrats don't appeal outside major city centres. You wanna figure out why people voted for trump? Ask the people who fucking did. Step down from your pedestal and work with people. You are claiming that a woman who has clear reasons for casting her vote(her fear of violence from her own religion) has no valid points at all because she disagrees with you about a fucking protest. You are legitimately researching into a guys posting history on an internet forum because he disagrees with you. Do you not see how misguided this is?

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51355516] You wanna figure out why people voted for trump? Ask the people who fucking did. Step down from your pedestal and work with people.[/QUOTE] The irony. Putting yourself on a moral pedestal to tell someone else to step down from their moral pedestal. [quote=Speaker]"We see them [the liberal honor brigade] marching on the streets right now because they don't like the election results."[/quote] I still find this uproar over protests to be misguided at best. This sort of protest is what our country was founded off of and the definition of patriotism. This is a country where we celebrate protestors throwing tea into Boston Harbor. The people who are protesting may not agree with you, and that's fine. But if everyone just put their heads down and didn't speak out major parts of this country's history and changes in policy wouldn't exist. That tea was thrown in the harbor for a reason. But apparently, after this election, people excercizing the right to protest is a travesty.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51355590]The irony. Putting yourself on a moral pedestal to tell someone else to step down from their moral pedestal.[/QUOTE] How is asking for someone to talk to his opposition standing on a moral pedestal?

I have asked a lot of Trump voters why they like him They either gave answers like "he'll fix everything" or "he says it like it is" or "he's not a politician and I can trust him" All various points of view that I can respect, but I openly disagree with Yet I was the one being told to stop shilling for CTR even though, there was only 12 CTR shills ever employed by the Clinton Campaign it's not one sided. Everyone is at fault, and you can't tell someone to step off a high horse without being on one yourself so I kind of feel like everyone, including myself just needs to stop how we were doing these things and start talking to each other. Now there's been a lot of posts to that effect but no effort being made by either side. I personally have toned down my posts, less "fucks" and less anger, but even yesterday I was basically having my opinion written off by the "other side" when doing that. If there's even one stubborn shit left who refuses to allow conversation to occur, we're never going to have it IMO.

[QUOTE=Govna;51355461]"We see them [the liberal honor brigade] marching on the streets right now because they don't like the election results." It's almost as if people don't like it when somebody who runs a presidential campaign based around fearmongering against everybody from gays and Muslims to Hispanics and progressives loses the popular vote and who lies continuously to enrich himself and his campaign at the expense of others (not to mention who denies climate change, a topic we can't afford to be stupid about at this point because of how the planet is literally falling the fuck apart), and who is clearly not wanted by the majority of the country (evidenced by the fact he lost the popular vote)... is still handed victory in that election by an outdated, corrupt system (the electoral college) which in Trump's own words, just before the 2012 election, is "a disaster for a democracy". I'm sorry, but this woman does not have a valid point to sell. The people marching against Trump right now are not generalizable as SJWs or "the liberal honor brigade" or any other meaningless buzzword or undefined term. There's many, many legitimate reasons to be opposed to him as a person-- the majority of which he created himself through his inciteful statements, his boasting and tough guy posturing, and his behavior. [url=https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1541210]Others have pointed them out in your SH thread[/url].[/QUOTE] Ah, so we should just ignore her opinion and self-fulfill the prophecy of how we got to this election in the first place. Also she won with like .02% of the popular vote, I hate the EC but get over yourself abit with that point. The country is obviously not remotely sure of what it wanted. Look, if her closing statement of, "I want both sides to return to being moderates and finding middle ground solutions that will actually solve issues." is not a valid point, then I don't know what is in your world. All you are doing is doing exactly what she said at the beginning despite her actually laying out her points in a cordial way. Sorry the election was shit and nobody could win with their choice. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51355516] You are legitimately researching into a guys posting history on an internet forum because he disagrees with you. Do you not see how misguided this is?[/QUOTE] To be fair he could have found far worse than linking to the same debate but with the Washington Post article. :v:

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51355516]Take some fucking responsibility. BOTH candidates lied BOTH candidates incited fear BOTH candidates increased political divides BOTH candidates benefit from the "broken" college NEITHER Candidate was wanted by half the country(less than 49% each) The electoral college did not rig the election State for state the republicans won County for county the republicans won Don't assume everyone voted based on their race Don't assume everyone voted to oppress other race Figure out why the democrats don't appeal outside major city centres. You wanna figure out why people voted for trump? Ask the people who fucking did. Step down from your pedestal and work with people. You are claiming that a woman who has clear reasons for casting her vote(her fear of violence from her own religion) has no valid points at all because she disagrees with you about a fucking protest. You are legitimately researching into a guys posting history on an internet forum because he disagrees with you. Do you not see how misguided this is?[/QUOTE] Calm the fuck down. I was critical of both candidates. I did not vote for either one. I did not support either one. In the primaries, I voted for Sanders. Attempting to paint Clinton and Trump as being the same however, which is exactly what you're doing when you use generalized "both" arguments, is dishonest. They are not the same, they have never been the same, and that's just how it is. [url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/]CLINTON was significantly more honest than Trump was[/url]. TRUMP is the one who ran a campaign around social fearmongering by claiming everything from Hispanics and immigrants from Mexico were "bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists" to his spiel about needing to restrict Muslims from entering the United States and put them on watchlists because they tend to be terrorists. TRUMP is the one who continually used divisive and inciteful rhetoric, in everything from his "Second Amendment people" remark to his race-baiting and religious bullshit. TRUMP is the only one who benefited from the electoral college here, because it's the only way he won the election; the majority of the American people rejected him and supported Clinton over him. In his own words, it is "a disaster for a democracy". That's fucking ironic. CLINTON was wanted by more Americans than Trump was, even though the majority of us were not happy about either one running. The electoral college gave the election to a man who lost the popular vote by nearly 400,000 votes. This is the fifth time in American history this has happened. It needs to either be abolished altogether or be drastically reformed, because it is (as people have been calling it out for years now-- again, Trump included in his 2012 comment) a bullshit system that ignores the will of the people as they voice who they want for president with their votes. Clinton received almost 400,000 more votes in the national popular vote than Trump did. She won it and had more support than he did. Again, Clinton received almost 400,000 more votes in the national popular vote than Trump did. She won it fair and square and had more support than Trump. I'm not. Don't put words in my mouth. This woman's opinion is just one woman's opinion however, and she's a single-issue voter (with regards to Saudi Arabia and Clinton's relationship). It doesn't mean much with that in mind, because we don't decide who should be our president based on one or two characteristics because there's more to politics than that. To quote Salon, "Not all of Donald Trump's supporters are bigots, but all the bigots supported him." It's interesting that David Duke, the Klu Klux Klan, and other such groups have been publicly celebrating his election; it's also interesting that there's been an increase in hate crimes and attacks committed by Trump supporters since Tuesday. But whatever, it's just a coincidence lol. Democrats don't appeal in rural areas because rural areas are traditionally conservative. There's fewer people and most everyone thinks the same way (also less diversity; people in the city tend to give less of a shit about a person's religious or ethnic background because it isn't uncommon to have a lot of different cultures, religions, and races), there's generally lower levels of education available in these areas, there's a lack of economic and social opportunity compared to cities, etc. This is not a mystery. Asra Nomani is what's known as a single-issue voter. I'm claiming she has no overall valid point. She is right about Saudi Arabia and its connections to Wahhabi terrorism. However, there's more to politics than just worrying about what's going on in the Middle East and with extremist Islam. But she doesn't acknowledge this. She throws around very broad terms about a so-called "liberal honor brigade" without giving any specifics or detailed clarifications, and like I said before, she's focused in only on one single issue. When you're voting for a president, you have to concentrate on more than just one thing. Again, politics is more complicated than just healthcare or international relations or foreign policy; it's an amalgamation of everything. She did not present a logical case for why supporting Trump was sensible. To quote Trebgarta from Tudd's SH thread: [QUOTE=Trebgarta;51355416]Lets boil it down, go deeper, lets analyse this. I really want to understand, and learn, I really am not on a high horse and willing to arue about it. [She] is a single-issue voter. Well, two issues. Healthcare and foreign policy in the ME, anything else, she doesnt care. I find this stupid, because I find single-issue voters to be detrimental to their own selves, thus a "behaviour that shows a lack of good sense or judgement.", definition of stupidity according to Google. You not, that is okay. This here is opinion, not "high horse". Lets take the guy you posted. What he said throughout the whole video, I find, boils down to not "Trump voters arent stupid", but "Calling Trump supporters stupid is stupid because it disenfranchises them". He didnt say anything about whether or not they were stupid or not. They may as well be stupid, but telling that to their face is wrong and undermines any case of persuasion says the guy on the video, and I agree 100%. But we are not discussing voter persuasion tactics. We are discussing whether or not Trump supporters made a stupid decision, and we can because we are not the DNC, we are an online forum. The claim "Statements like this are what got Trump more supporters." I honestly do not understand this so I cant really comment. I feel like this means they voted that way out of spite though. orrect me on this. What I really have yet to hear is a strong case of voting for Trump. OP is a case of voting for Trump, but it really isnt strong. At all. If that is the best a non-bigoted, rational person can do, I feel like not only me, but everybody can call voting for Trump an objectively stupid decision that an American can come to. IF you know of any strong case for Trump, please share.[/QUOTE] Finally, what are you talking about? I saw Tudd's thread on SH yesterday. SH is where I spend like 99.5% of my time posting here. Stop overreacting, and stop acting so morally-superior. You're not. [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51355604]How is asking for someone to talk to his opposition standing on a moral pedestal?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51355611]I have asked a lot of Trump voters why they like him They either gave answers like "he'll fix everything" or "he says it like it is" or "he's not a politician and I can trust him" All various points of view that I can respect, but I openly disagree with Yet I was the one being told to stop shilling for CTR even though, there was only 12 CTR shills ever employed by the Clinton Campaign it's not one sided. Everyone is at fault, and you can't tell someone to step off a high horse without being on one yourself so I kind of feel like everyone, including myself just needs to stop how we were doing these things and start talking to each other. Now there's been a lot of posts to that effect but no effort being made by either side. I personally have toned down my posts, less "fucks" and less anger, but even yesterday I was basically having my opinion written off by the "other side" when doing that. If there's even one stubborn shit left who refuses to allow conversation to occur, we're never going to have it IMO.[/QUOTE] We've tried it already, it has gotten us nowhere, and that's that. Talking has not worked. It's like when people tried reasoning with RIPBILLYMAYS on why he supported Trump, it went absolutely nowhere. We were calm, we were collected, we were logical. Nothing. That's what happens, as HumanAbyss pointed out, when you're dealing with stubbornness. Also, you can talk all you want and make all kinds of poignant-sounding statements. It's all meaningless though if you aren't actually saying anything...

After years of being noisy extremists, conservatives started to realise that it wasn't getting them anywhere, so many of them started to become more reasonable. Trump is an anomaly (or part of an anomalous trend), like many other things happening in recent years, because of the increasingly noisy and extremist left. My advice to all liberals who want the conversation to happen: don't let the noisy extremists stop you. Work with the moderate conservatives whilst they still exist. Because if you lock yourself in their echo chamber and avoid talking just because sometimes it's hard or even impossible, this cycle will just keep happening, the pendulum of moderation vs radicalism swinging backwards and forwards, forever.

[QUOTE=Govna;51355743][/QUOTE] Saying that trump did more fear mongering is no excuse for the fear mongering of Clinton. Saying that Trump was racist was no excuse for Clinton to alienate and bully potential voters. Look at what you are doing right now, you are saying that Asra is bad at voting and voting solely on one issue due to her heavy stance on one issue. In no way did she say Islamic extremism is her only reason to choose a candidate. If lower class areas are so uneducated and backwards, why don't the democrats try to improve education and relations with those parts? Why not try to help them instead of looking at them as racist inbreds? Knowing some of those And generalizing 49% of your country as most likely racist because a Ku Klux Klan member supported the same candidate... Nice. Remember Clinton standing up for Byrd, another Klan member? Yes there's racist supporters of Trump, so what? There's most likely Klansmen who voted for hillary too. 400 000 more people voted for Hillary than Clinton... that's .2% of the total vote, which on a scale as large as the US election, a 1% margin of error is more than likely. Maybe instead of treating it as City vs. Hicks: The Race Wars United we should be looking at how to expand ideals of the democratic party into those rural communities?

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51356168]Saying that trump did more fear mongering is no excuse for the fear mongering of Clinton. Saying that Trump was racist was no excuse for Clinton to alienate and bully potential voters. Look at what you are doing right now, you are saying that Asra is bad at voting and voting solely on one issue due to her heavy stance on one issue. In no way did she say Islamic extremism is her only reason to choose a candidate. If lower class areas are so uneducated and backwards, why don't the democrats try to improve education and relations with those parts? Why not try to help them instead of looking at them as racist inbreds? Knowing some of those And generalizing 49% of your country as most likely racist because a Ku Klux Klan member supported the same candidate... Nice. Remember Clinton standing up for Byrd, another Klan member? Yes there's racist supporters of Trump, so what? There's most likely Klansmen who voted for hillary too. 400 000 more people voted for Hillary than Clinton... that's .2% of the total vote, which on a scale as large as the US election, a 1% margin of error is more than likely. Maybe instead of treating it as City vs. Hicks: The Race Wars United we should be looking at how to expand ideals of the democratic party into those rural communities?[/QUOTE] Just do me a favour and read my post without the preconceived notion that I think you're wrong because I don't

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51356287]Just do me a favour and read my post without the preconceived notion that I think you're wrong because I don't[/QUOTE] I'm not commenting on your post there, quite frankly I admire your efforts and I'm glad you're heading in the right direction. It's a shame you had to face being called a shill. I had a quote directed at Govna, who I was rebutting but it seems I've deleted it. My argument contains profanity not out of anger but out of my sailor's mouth, ya spend too long at the coast and yer vocabulary becomes quite colorful. I apologize if I came out as hostile to your argument. I just simply don't believe in changing my wording to seem more professional. When I don't swear everywhere else, I'll stop swearing in arguments, but I'm not putting up a persona to argue online.

I like how you guys immediately used arguing various people on the internet as experience talking to trump voters. Try getting with the real people who voted and figuring out why they did it, they are the majority, 5 guys on the internet are not.

CNN is no longer a trustworthy news outlet.

[QUOTE]You wanna figure out why people voted for trump? Ask the people who fucking did. Step down from your pedestal and work with people.[/QUOTE] I lived through the satanic panic era. literal witch hunts. The left was beginning to behave in a similar hysteric and abusive manner. I was starting to have flashbacks and the SJW witch hunting behavior was starting to spook people.. I suspect this SJW witch hunting behavior was a major motivation for people voting Trump. As a means to show disapproval of the ideal and the abusive behavior that was present along with it. Its not acceptable when the Christians do it, its not moral when the left does it. Abusive behavior is wrong, period.

[QUOTE=Sally;51356428]I like how you guys immediately used arguing various people on the internet as experience talking to trump voters. Try getting with the real people who voted and figuring out why they did it, they are the majority, 5 guys on the internet are not.[/QUOTE] They're not the majority either though.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51356168] And generalizing 49% of your country as most likely racist because a Ku Klux Klan member supported the same candidate... Nice. Remember Clinton standing up for Byrd, another Klan member? [/QUOTE] My god this fucking myth Trump supporters keep pushing disgusts me. Fabricate lies about someone who is at least alive the defend themselves against your vitriol. He WAS a Klansman.. several decades ago. He quit, and has renounced it multiple times since and has warned people against ever getting involved with them. From wikipedia: [quote]In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.[12][13] According to Byrd, a Klan official told him, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob ... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd later recalled, "Suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did."[19] Byrd became a recruiter and leader of his chapter.[13] When it came time to elect the top officer (Exalted Cyclops) in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously.[13] In December 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore G. Bilbo: I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. — Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944[13][20] In 1946, Byrd wrote a letter to a Grand Wizard stating, "The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation."[21] However, when running for the United States House of Representatives in 1952, he announced "After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization. During the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan." He said he had joined the Klan because he felt it offered excitement and was anti-communist.[13] In 1997, Byrd told an interviewer he would encourage young people to become involved in politics but also warned, "Be sure you avoid the Ku Klux Klan. Don't get that albatross around your neck. Once you've made that mistake, you inhibit your operations in the political arena."[22] In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision — a jejune and immature outlook — seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."[23] Byrd also said, in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."[13][/quote] He's not faultless, he once used the phrase "white niggers" in a relatively modern interview. But he has explained that it was horrible of him to say that. I think the fact that the NAACP had given him a 100% approval rating and has said many kind things about him says something.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51355140][media] Like CNN is really just on a roll with that and how it happens at the [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57qTegcMT3g]most[/url] unfortunate [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWqa2EIBAxY]moments[/url].[/QUOTE] It happens all the time with all sorts of unrelated stuff on CNN and other news channels, The idea that here is someone at CNN going "quick pull the plug guys!" is really ridiculous.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51356168]And generalizing 49% of your country as most likely racist because a Ku Klux Klan member supported the same candidate... Nice. Remember Clinton standing up for Byrd, another Klan member? Yes there's racist supporters of Trump, so what? There's most likely Klansmen who voted for hillary too.[/QUOTE] I wonder if other Trump voters are as misinformed as you. If you're referring to this image: [img]https://i.sli.mg/r1zBF9.jpg[/img] [url=http://www.snopes.com/robert-byrd-kkk-photo/]It has literally been photoshopped. It is a fabricated image.[/url]

[QUOTE=Samiam22;51358310]I wonder if other Trump voters are as misinformed as you. If you're referring to this image: [img]https://i.sli.mg/r1zBF9.jpg[/img] [url=http://www.snopes.com/robert-byrd-kkk-photo/]It has literally been photoshopped. It is a fabricated image.[/url][/QUOTE] There needs to be a thread on deception

[QUOTE=Samiam22;51358310]I wonder if other Trump voters are as misinformed as you. If you're referring to this image: [img]https://i.sli.mg/r1zBF9.jpg[/img] [url=http://www.snopes.com/robert-byrd-kkk-photo/]It has literally been photoshopped. It is a fabricated image.[/url][/QUOTE] No everyone knows that one was fake. [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] Didn't know about the Byrd resignation though. Real easy to fall into those lies and I apologize for that

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51359076]No everyone knows that one was fake. [editline]12th November 2016[/editline] Didn't know about the Byrd resignation though. Real easy to fall into those lies and I apologize for that[/QUOTE] All it takes is one google search

[QUOTE=Sally;51356428]I like how you guys immediately used arguing various people on the internet as experience talking to trump voters. Try getting with the real people who voted and figuring out why they did it, they are the majority, 5 guys on the internet are not.[/QUOTE] I mean I could tell you what my Trump supporter friends would say. But yeah, you are still right.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;51355604]How is asking for someone to talk to his opposition standing on a moral pedestal?[/QUOTE] The rest of your post was standing on a moral pedestal.