Married mother accused of making repeated fake rape claims - Polidicks

[url]http://www.georgianewsday.com/news/regional/249436-married-mother-accused-of-making-repeated-fake-rape-claims-including-one-that-drove-her-prom-date-to-move-state-after-he-was-expelled.html[/url] [QUOTE]The Montana Supreme Court has ordered the reinstatement of charges against a married mother first charged with repeatedly fabricating false rape claims in 2012. Prosecutors believe Christina Nadine Nelson, 23, of Billings made several false rape or assault claims between 2009 and 2012. The charges had been dismissed last July by Judge G. Todd Baugh, but last week the state’s supreme court overruled his decision and ordered a reinstatement of the accusations. Christina Nadine Nelson, 23, of Billings will face trial after the Montana Supreme Court ruled that there was sufficient evidence to prosecute her over repeatedly fabricating false rape claims The justices ruled that there is sufficient evidence to let a jury decide the case, reports the Billings Gazette [/QUOTE]

Making false rape claims is such a shitty thing to do. Ruining someones life just for the dumbest fucking reasons. I wouldn't go as far to say that it's as bad as raping like some claim but it's up there.

Holy fucking shit I've actually met this person. I live in Billings, She was a friend of a co-workers. That's fucking trippy.

If someone is found to have falsified a report of rape, they should be forced to do 125% of the alleged "rapist's" sentence.

[QUOTE=Quark:;45079678]If someone is found to have falsified a report of rape, they should be forced to do 125% of the alleged "rapist's" sentence.[/QUOTE] Yeah, let's punish a nonviolent crime that ruins someone's life harder than we punish a violent crime that ruins someone's life! [editline]12th June 2014[/editline] In addition, let's discourage going through the proper legal channels if you are a real victim of real rape since if you happen to not have the required evidence, the investigation is poorly done or or you live in an area where it turns out that, say, spousal rape is considered okay, you're going to do time for reporting it!

When does it become acceptable in society to publicly shame people for the wrong things they have committed during their time of darkness? Where has the humanity and love for your brothers gone? When will we see the dawn of a more understanding society?

[QUOTE=Riller;45079692]In addition, let's discourage going through the proper legal channels if you are a real victim of real rape since if you happen to not have the required evidence, the investigation is poorly done or or you live in an area where it turns out that, say, spousal rape is considered okay, you're going to do time for reporting it![/QUOTE] This never happens and is such a stupid understanding of the judicial process. Read the article. [quote]Billings made several false rape or assault claims between 2009 and 2012. The charges had been dismissed last July by Judge G. Todd Baugh, but last week the state’s supreme court overruled his decision and ordered a reinstatement of the accusations. 'Christina had a motive or pattern of accusing young men that she had dated of raping her and assaulting her when no such rape or assault had occurred,' prosecutors state in court documents. When detectives reviewed parking lot surveillance footage from that night, they found no evidence to substantiate her claims [/quote] It was in backwards ass Montana and a judge still dismissed the charges despite videotaped evidence available and the fact it spanned over 3 years. The prosecutor had to nudge the Supreme Court by saying "Hey, this person is doing this too much and there's a lot of evidence against her to just let her walk away like this" She obviously very mentally disturbed and needs help, but even as a chronic false-reporter you're going to have to try to somehow get recorded evidence against you to even have the possibility of charges considered.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45079769]This never happens and is such a stupid understanding of the judicial process. Read the article.[/QUOTE] Didn't mean to imply it did happen, but if you were to actually go through with Quark's idea of giving a full rape sentence plus some to any claim that doesn't get proven true in court, it quite likely would.

[QUOTE=Riller;45079794]Didn't mean to imply it did happen, but if you were to actually go through with Quark's idea of giving a full rape sentence plus some [B]to any claim that doesn't get proven true in court[/B], it quite likely would.[/QUOTE]This is different from [QUOTE=Quark:;45079678]If someone is found to have falsified a report of rape.....[/QUOTE] The standard for being proving someone of falsifying rape or anything else (perjury) is very high and for good reason, or else no witnesses would ever testify for anything in court simply out of fear that their inability to recall or narrate events would result in their imprisonment. As reiterated in the article, opposing video evidence is not enough to guarantee charges unless it is chronic.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;45079715]Where has the humanity and love for your brothers gone?[/QUOTE] I'd argue it was never there in the first place, broadly speaking.

[QUOTE=Riller;45079692]Yeah, let's punish a nonviolent crime that ruins someone's life harder than we punish a violent crime that ruins someone's life! [editline]12th June 2014[/editline] In addition, let's discourage going through the proper legal channels if you are a real victim of real rape since if you happen to not have the required evidence, the investigation is poorly done or or you live in an area where it turns out that, say, spousal rape is considered okay, you're going to do time for reporting it![/QUOTE] When you're accused of rape publicly, you're never going to be looked at the same way again. People will still believe you're a rapist no matter how you're found in court, innocent or guilty. Putting that onto someone just because you don't like them shouldn't be taken lightly. Being falsely accused of rape is even worse, because people will still believe you're a rapist no matter what even though you're completely innocent. And the person who did it to you will receive a punishment less than that which you would have received had you been guilty? Utter non-sense. Doing this would [I]not[/I] discourage someone from reporting a legitimate case of rape. It's completely foolish to think it would. Rape leaves physical trauma such as vaginal/anal tearing, lacerations, and so on. If this evidence is present, the rapist is extremely unlikely to be found innocent. Don't be foolish.

[QUOTE=Riller;45079692]Yeah, let's punish a nonviolent crime that ruins someone's life harder than we punish a violent crime that ruins someone's life! [editline]12th June 2014[/editline] In addition, let's discourage going through the proper legal channels if you are a real victim of real rape since if you happen to not have the required evidence, the investigation is poorly done or or you live in an area where it turns out that, say, spousal rape is considered okay, you're going to do time for reporting it![/QUOTE] One false rape claim is enough to potentially ruin a person's career wrongfully. It doesn't even matter if it was later proven wrong, you're badically marked for life, especially when the media catches wind of it. So I would say that a false rape claim needs to be punished just as hard if it can be proven. And in rape cases, the alleged offender is guilty until proven wrong anyways.

[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;45080129]One false rape claim is enough to potentially ruin a person's career wrongfully. It doesn't even matter if it was later proven wrong, you're badically marked for life, especially when the media catches wind of it. So I would say that a false rape claim needs to be punished just as hard if it can be proven. [b]And in rape cases, the alleged offender is guilty until proven wrong anyways.[/b][/QUOTE] [url=http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2013/08/23/i-am-a-false-rape-allegation-statistic/]That depends on whose eyes are looking at the case.[/url] Making an accusation of rape can ruin the victim's life even more than the culprit's.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45080336] Making an accusation of rape can ruin the victim's life even more than the culprit's.[/QUOTE] This was the case with both my ex girlfriend, and my current girlfriend. both suffered some pretty fucking horrible sexual abuse from an ex boyfriend. my ex girlfriend reported it and was instantly disowned by most of her friends because they liked the boyfriend better, and her own brother now taunts her constantly for the same reason- and my current girlfriend tried to suffer in silence because she was scared of the repercussions if word got out, only for her boyfriend at the time to find out when he asked about the scarring she was left with, then spread it to everyone he knew in an attempt to get them to stop hanging around with the rapist. it had the intended effect with like a quarter of her friendship circle, the rest either outright said they didn't care and took the guys side or accused her of lying about it for attention. I get that false rape claims are terrible, but victims shouldn't have to fear being vilified on top of what they have already suffered because a few people they have nothing to do with lied about the same thing.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;45079715]When does it become acceptable in society to publicly shame people for the wrong things they have committed during their time of darkness? Where has the humanity and love for your brothers gone? When will we see the dawn of a more understanding society?[/QUOTE] :pwn:

[QUOTE=Quark:;45079678]If someone is found to have falsified a report of rape, they should be forced to do 125% of the alleged "rapist's" sentence.[/QUOTE] This is a bad idea. There is absolutely no legal precedent for putting people who accuse others of a crime away for the time their supposed crime would have demanded. Let alone the fact that you want to jail people for a non-violent offense for longer than someone who actually raped someone else. Not to mention the obvious fact that it's not the judicial system "ruining" false accusation victims lives, it's society. If you lose your job because your boss goes "Well we know you are innocent but we can't have you work here anymore" then there is recourse you can take as long as you live in a right to work state. If your friends of family alienate you that is a problem with how society treats people are who should be absolutely welcomed back as 100% innocent individuals, not the legal system. I get that emotions about this topic can run high but we should remember that laws must be written logically, not emotionally.

[QUOTE=Quark:;45079678]If someone is found to have falsified a report of rape, they should be forced to do 125% of the alleged "rapist's" sentence.[/QUOTE] We already have a charge for people found guilty of lying in a court of law, and/or wasting police time why not either of those. Otherwise people found guilty of falsifying a murder report are looking at doing a life sentence for a false charge... sounds a bit silly now doesn't it?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45082494] I get that emotions about this topic can run high but we should remember that laws must be written logically, not emotionally.[/QUOTE] I quite agree, especially since something like 70% of known victims never report their victimization to any authorities and false allegations end up being an incredibly small percentage of incidents. On top of that, in situations where false claims are made most of the time the individual making false claims is usually suffering from some other form of abuse.

[QUOTE=1legmidget;45082556] On top of that, in situations where false claims are made most of the time the individual making false claims is usually suffering from some other form of abuse.[/QUOTE] Going to need a citation on that, because it sounds like some bullshit you'd read in a jezebel piece. Nearly every legitimate false rape case I've read about has been motivated purely by vindictiveness, whether by a primary or by proxy (e.g that odd case where the mother forced the daughter to lie about the father raping her)

[QUOTE=dilzinyomouth;45082590]Going to need a citation on that, because it sounds like some bullshit you'd read in a jezebel piece. Nearly every legitimate false rape case I've read about has been motivated purely by vindictiveness, whether by a primary or by proxy (e.g that odd case where the mother forced the daughter to lie about the father raping her)[/QUOTE] Then you obviously aren't very familiar with the nature of these crimes and the circumstances surrounding them. [URL="http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/research/perverting_course_of_justice_march_2013.pdf"]Here's[/URL] a study from last year looking at rape and domestic violence in the UK. Something like 98% of people prosecuted for false claims are under 21, and most are under 16. In nearly 40% of cases the false rape allegation is first filed by a third party. I highly recommend reading the entire thing as it covers some of the issues of serial victimization and how law enforcement deals with these victims in situations where previous cases are inconclusive.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;45079769]This never happens and is such a stupid understanding of the judicial process. Read the article.[/QUOTE] yknow minus massive endemic minimalization of domestic violence and rape by police departments across the united states on a level that's basically on par with the maghreb and the middle east.

This case is probably another example of the police seeking to quiet a serial victim in order to improve their image.

[QUOTE=Appellation;45082954]This case is probably another example of the police seeking to quiet a serial victim in order to improve their image.[/QUOTE] It's quite possible given the nature of similar cases. Something obviously wasn't right in this situation and it's really hard to make any judgement on the case, especially since the jury hasn't decided anything yet.

[QUOTE=1legmidget;45083002]It's quite possible given the nature of similar cases. Something obviously wasn't right in this situation and it's really hard to make any judgement on the case, especially since the jury hasn't decided anything yet.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but it's still more likely than not.

[QUOTE=Appellation;45082954]This case is probably another example of the police seeking to quiet a serial victim in order to improve their image.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]When detectives reviewed parking lot surveillance footage from that night, they found no evidence to substantiate her claims[/QUOTE] [I]Yep, she is definitely the victim. Those evil men should be punished. It's not like you victim blame in any other [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1401157]thread.[/url][/I]

[QUOTE=Ripmax;45083356][I]Yep, she is definitely the victim. Those evil men should be punished. It's not like you victim blame in any other [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1401157]thread.[/url][/I][/QUOTE] The difference here is that victims of serial rape are by and large ignored and bullied by law enforcement. This is a well documented problem completely separate from the bullshit in the other thread.

[QUOTE=1legmidget;45083927]The difference here is that victims of serial rape are by and large ignored and bullied by law enforcement. This is a well documented problem completely separate from the bullshit in the other thread.[/QUOTE] Haven't you read the news article? It states that it is not just one guy she accuses of rape, but several. And her accusations show no evidence. It is not serial rape, it is serial rape accusation.

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45084007]Haven't you read the news article? It states that it is not just one guy she accuses of rape, but several. And her accusations show no evidence. It is not serial rape, it is serial rape accusation.[/QUOTE] I've read the article. There is a chance that this situation could be an actual case of serial fabrication of rape claims. That's not being contested. The jury will decide in a court of law whether she's guilty, but as of right now it's probably best if we abstain from judgement. What I was pointing out is that serial/repeat victims are almost always marginalized by the state. The concept that vulnerable people are repeatedly victimized is for whatever reason difficult for people to understand. We know that most rapes go unreported. There are plenty of recent studies out there suggesting that +90% of rapes go unreported. We also know that in the subset of reported rapes, roughly 10% result in any prosecution. From there the reported conviction rate increases quite dramatically. I can't quite remember which study it came from, but a fairly recent FOIA request ended up revealing that close to a third of potential victims were pressured to withdraw their claim by the police. People at most risk end up being those with mental illnesses or developmental disabilities, and a vast majority of the time their cases are thrown out without any real consideration. I'm not sure why you're even attempting to dispute the issues around serial/repeat victimization. It has been fairly understood for quite some time now that the vast majority of crimes are committed against someone that has previously been victimized. [URL="https://www.bra.se/download/18.1ff479c3135e8540b29800015728/1340094867269/2012_Preventing_repeat_victimization2.pdf"]This[/URL] is a decent article to jump into if you're curious about the nature of repeat victimization. The article covers all sorts of methods tried by various justice systems across the world attempting to reduce repeat victimization and clearly states that cases involving domestic violence or sexual assault have not improved much.

[QUOTE=1legmidget;45084878]I've read the article. There is a chance that this situation could be an actual case of serial fabrication of rape claims. That's not being contested. The jury will decide in a court of law whether she's guilty, but as of right now it's probably best if we abstain from judgement. What I was pointing out is that serial/repeat victims are almost always marginalized by the state. The concept that vulnerable people are repeatedly victimized is for whatever reason difficult for people to understand. We know that most rapes go unreported. There are plenty of recent studies out there suggesting that +90% of rapes go unreported. We also know that in the subset of reported rapes, roughly 10% result in any prosecution. From there the reported conviction rate increases quite dramatically. I can't quite remember which study it came from, but a fairly recent FOIA request ended up revealing that close to a third of potential victims were pressured to withdraw their claim by the police. People at most risk end up being those with mental illnesses or developmental disabilities, and a vast majority of the time their cases are thrown out without any real consideration. I'm not sure why you're even attempting to dispute the issues around serial/repeat victimization. It has been fairly understood for quite some time now that the vast majority of crimes are committed against someone that has previously been victimized. [URL="https://www.bra.se/download/18.1ff479c3135e8540b29800015728/1340094867269/2012_Preventing_repeat_victimization2.pdf"]This[/URL] is a decent article to jump into if you're curious about the nature of repeat victimization. The article covers all sorts of methods tried by various justice systems across the world attempting to reduce repeat victimization and clearly states that cases involving domestic violence or sexual assault have not improved much.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]A month after the prom she wanted to drop the charges, but the boy had already been expelled and his family had moved state[/QUOTE] Why would she just suddenly drop the charges? [QUOTE]She claimed her prom date raped her and cut her with a knife, but detectives found inconsistencies with her statements. An investigation found she suffered no cuts on the night of her prom. [/QUOTE] No evidence? [QUOTE]When detectives reviewed parking lot surveillance footage from that night, they found no evidence to substantiate her claims[/QUOTE] Why is there no evidence about the incident at the parking lot? [QUOTE]Video showed Nelson walking from her workplace to her car and driving away. Detectives also learned that her ex-boyfriend was out of town on the night she claimed he raped her. [/QUOTE] Error 404: "Rapist" not found in town [QUOTE]The difference here is that victims of serial rape are by and large ignored and bullied by law enforcement.[/QUOTE] So doing investigation about a crime and finding out it is all just lies is now bullying?

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45086808]Why would she just suddenly drop the charges? [/QUOTE] Man, I've already made this clear, I'm not talking about the current situation. I was providing context to previous claims about repeat/serial victimization being ignored by institutions by and large. If you had bother to read the previously mentioned study, or even my previous post you would have seen plenty of reasons why charges are dropped in cases like these. Did you even bother to read my post or are you just trying to stir up shit? Obviously something isn't right with the situation pertaining to the article. Maybe the woman is mentally ill. Maybe she's being abused in other ways and this is how she's come to terms with that. Maybe she's acting in a malicious manner and really has a hate boner for men as you seem to want to believe. The only thing that should matter is justice for all parties involved. Statistically speaking, if she's a repeat victim, she's not going to get the help she needs. That's true across all ages, genders, races, and religious/political affiliations for serial/repeat victims. If you still don't understand that, there's basically no hope for you I guess.