• RNC suspends work indefinitely on print/mail items of Trumps campaign
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[url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/rnc-halts-all-victory-project-work-for-trump-229363[/url] [quote]The Republican National Committee on Saturday appeared to at least temporarily halt the operations of some of the “Victory” program that is devoted to electing Donald Trump. The move comes as the GOP nominee is under mounting pressure from elected Republicans to step aside after he was caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.[/quote]
Has any election in US history ended with a candidate so utterly humiliated?
oh my god. the debate is tomorrow i can't even imagine what's going to happen
oh my god imagine last minute Cruz, Rubio, or Kasich top of the ticket switch. [editline]8th October 2016[/editline] this will be fucking hilarious if they ditch him
[quote]The Republican National Committee on Saturday appeared to at least temporarily halt the operations of some of the “Victory” program that is devoted to electing Donald Trump.[/quote] Reports suggest that it will be replaced with the "Non-Humiliating Defeat" program, reflecting the GOP's latest ambitions.
This feels a bit like an Arab Spring coup or something [quote]“[b]Please put a hold/stop on all mail projects right now. If something is in production or print it needs to stop.[/b] Will update you when to proceed,” Lauren Toomey, a staffer in the RNC’s political department, wrote in an email that was obtained by POLITICO.[/quote]
I'm not going to make another thread for these, but god damn I love reading them. And I know FP is... distrustful of Politico. [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/republicans-replace-trump-229352"]RNC Lawyers looking to replace Trump, but hands are tied.[/URL] [quote]Meanwhile, the RNC has lawyers examining the possibility of putting forth another nominee one month from Election Day, with ballots already printed and early voting in progress in some states, according to two other Republicans. “RNC has an army of lawyers right now looking at Rule 9 and ballot questions,” said one, a Republican strategist. The RNC’s Rule 9 pertains to filling vacant nominations. But the lawyers have concluded that Trump would have to cooperate in any attempt to replace him, said another Republican in touch with the committee. [/quote] [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-donald-trump-229359"]Schwarzenegger says he can't support Trump[/URL] [quote]“For the first time since I became a citizen in 1983, I will not vote for the Republican candidate for president,” Schwarzenegger said in a statement posted to his Twitter account. [/quote]
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;51172104]oh my god. the debate is tomorrow i can't even imagine what's going to happen[/QUOTE] Hillary doesn't even show up and her staff releases a statement that he's not worth her time.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51172144]I'm not going to make another thread for these, but god damn I love reading them. And I know FP is... distrustful of Politico. [/QUOTE] Politico had a couple of articles today/yesterday that suggested that the Republicans are going to keep Trump. I wonder if this RNC thing is the result of different factions within the GOP rather than a unified decision.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51172106]oh my god imagine last minute Cruz, Rubio, or Kasich top of the ticket switch. [editline]8th October 2016[/editline] this will be fucking hilarious if they ditch him[/QUOTE] they can't just do that... can they?
[QUOTE=Turnips5;51172159]they can't just do that... can they?[/QUOTE] Nah, only Trump has the power to step down from the nomination
That's great, but it's nonetheless important to remember that dirtbags like Priebus were just last month literally threatening the Republican rank-and-file if they so much as considered jumping ship. Bunch of spineless, opportunistic pricks. Finally deciding to stand up for what's right only when it becomes politically safe for them to do so.
jeb wistfully strokes a turtle
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;51172189]jeb wistfully strokes a turtle[/QUOTE] You know, consider this: Every other Republican candidate, including Jeb, failed hilariously against Trump in the primaries. They failed against someone who's currently holding the most embarrassingly weak general election campaign in history. They are still an absolute joke, and have no chance of winning even if they replace Trump without his consent. The GOP is finished.
This might just be a cost/benefit thing. Trump doesn't need to win older voters as much as he needs younger voters. Clinton has a 2:1 lead among sub-30s, and that's according to a [url=http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/2-voter-general-election-preferences/7-7-2016-2-30-10-pm-2/]rather old poll from Pew[/url]. Mail campaigns seem like the sort of thing that work better for reaching an older demographic, since younger people are more likely to throw out junk mail unread. It would be better to focus on internet or television advertising, which reaches more young voters. Of course, the timing of this, and the abruptness, does make it seem like a possible abandonment of Trump. Not in favor of another candidate but in favor of other elections. A Trump presidency with a sharply Democratic senate and numerous losses in the House and states might be worse for the Republicans than a Clinton presidency with a Republican Congress. Stop throwing away money on a losing presidential campaign and pivot to the lower ballots.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;51172189]jeb wistfully strokes a turtle[/QUOTE] Jeb! gets the last laugh as Trump ruins everything. 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Trump singlehandedly dismantled the republican party. If nothing else, that's something for the history books.
The RNC has been waiting for this. They don't like Trump much more than everybody else doesn't like Trump.
The thing is, most prominent Republican officials are still standing behind Trump. The only way they can save face and save their careers now is to abandon ship. The smart ones have already done that. Others, among them Ted Cruz, aren't particularly smart. When people talk about 2016 being the death of the Republican party, it isn't hyperbole. They're finished as they exist now, and the tea party elements are about to be expunged, pushed out of the public eye. Whatever rises from the ashes, if it wishes to survive, will have to have learned from the mistakes of 2016. They'll still call themselves Republican - the name has too much historical significance to abandon - but their politics may be quite a bit different. It's going to be amusing to see them try and combine social liberalism with fiscal conservativism - the two paradigms are fundamentally incompatible.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51172101]Has any election in US history ended with a candidate so utterly humiliated?[/QUOTE] i doubt he has ever felt any humiliation ever in his life, and may not even be capable of it.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;51172816]i doubt he has ever felt any humiliation ever in his life, and may not even be capable of it.[/QUOTE] Oh, I agree. I mean in the public eye.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51172781]It's going to be amusing to see them try and combine social liberalism with fiscal conservativism - the two paradigms are fundamentally incompatible.[/QUOTE] But not necessarily impossible. Former New York City Mayor Ed Koch was a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. He used fiscally conservative ideas to encourage business rejuvenation of, in particularly, Times Square (which was filled with porn shops and strip clubs before he came along) and was socially liberal in that he helped pass a landmark anti-discrimination bill for gays and lesbians - attempting to ban discrimination from housing and employment based on sexual orientation, and this was in the late 80s. Fiscal policy and social policy are literally two completely different things, and its possible (but Ill give it to you: rare) that a politician is able to be dynamic in that way.
If they replace Trump can we replace Clinton with Sanders? That would be great, thanks
[QUOTE=TheTalon;51173638]If they replace Trump can we replace Clinton with Sanders? That would be great, thanks[/QUOTE] Clinton could eat a baby live during the debate and Trump would still find a way to come out looking worse, I'm afraid she won't be going anywhere.
[QUOTE=archangel125;51172781] It's going to be amusing to see them try and combine social liberalism with fiscal conservativism - the two paradigms are fundamentally incompatible.[/QUOTE] There are plenty of political parties in Europe and probably also elsewhere that are economically right-wing but socially liberal
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51172144]I'm not going to make another thread for these, but god damn I love reading them. And I know FP is... distrustful of Politico. [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/republicans-replace-trump-229352"]RNC Lawyers looking to replace Trump, but hands are tied.[/URL] [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-donald-trump-229359"]Schwarzenegger says he can't support Trump[/URL][/QUOTE] Unfortunately for those supporters, its always "Clinton defended rapists" or "That idiot can't talk because s/he did the same thing." Why can't they defend their orange god WITHOUT bringing up Clinton, or deflecting/blaming someone else? I can't wait for 2016 to end thanks to the shittiest candidates in modern history. Unfortunately, I don't think this means the GOP is done, thanks to gerrymandering and voters who would stay Republican forever. I think the only way for the GOP to be finished for a couple of years to hopefully forever is if the election had Trump losing to either Johnson, Stein, or both.
[QUOTE=smurfy;51172177]Nah, only Trump has the power to step down from the nomination[/QUOTE] How would that even work? Who would decide the person to replace Trump? Will they just go with Ted Cruz since he finished in second place during the primaries?
[QUOTE=Folstream;51174160]How would that even work? Who would decide the person to replace Trump? Will they just go with Ted Cruz since he finished in second place during the primaries?[/QUOTE] It's never happened before, and the rules just say something like 'the RNC will decide on a new nominee, taking into account the views of elected Republican representatives and party members'
[QUOTE=smurfy;51174176]It's never happened before, and the rules just say something like 'the RNC will decide on a new nominee, taking into account the views of elected Republican representatives and party members'[/QUOTE] Essentially making Trump run as an independent, splitting the vote more or less down the center for the GOP
[QUOTE=Folstream;51174160]How would that even work? Who would decide the person to replace Trump? Will they just go with Ted Cruz since he finished in second place during the primaries?[/QUOTE] They won't have time to get the new guy onto the ballots, though, which is prob why they've been so reluctant to *actually* give up on him (losing SCOTUS, etc). If they jettison Trump, they're giving up on the White House for another 8 years. Now, the real question is whether the GOP leadership actually thought Trump could win, or whether they just stuck with him out of self-interest -- thinking "betraying" Trump would hurt their own reelection campaigns, more than continuing to endorse him after his next terrible gaffe.
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