Oh gods I seriously loved the vulcan and clerk comments from Kagan :P
Admittedly I believe that minors should not be allowed to buy games that are rated as mature, but if my understand is correct this would have massive ramifications in the US - including a number of store chains not stocking on them at all.
That was a fun read.
I think that minors should be able to buy violent video games only with parental consent. How to raise children shouldn't be an issue for the government to handle. If the parents have a hard time stopping their kids from playing games they don't want them to play, then maybe they have failed at being parents.
Kids shouldn't able to play M rated games, period, but that is just my own opinion.
I laughed. Good read.
If they just made it so that a kid can still buy it, but a parent can return the product at all times when sold to a minor, it would be fine. Can't parents already do that? Because where I live, my parents can cancel any contract I sign, and get a full refund, well, they could anyways, before I turned 16.
Instead of trying to pass legislation to restrict sales of violent video games, they should spend that time and effort in educating parents about the ratings system and why it exists.
Stores that sell games should offer a grace period where parents can purchase a game and play it themselves to judge whether it'll be appropriate for their children. If they don't think they should let their kids play, then the game could be returned for a 95% refund (provides adequate compensation/profit to the store, but removes incentive for people to keep returning games within the grace period just to play them without having to pay).
God, I love those judges.
Also, I think kids shouldn't be allowed to buy a game that is out of their age class. Only when the parents allow it (as in, they buy the game for their kids) it is OK. The parents know their children the best (hopefully) and it should be their decision.
[QUOTE=HiddenMyst;25828718]Instead of trying to pass legislation to restrict sales of violent video games, they should spend that time and effort in educating parents about the ratings system and why it exists.
Stores that sell games should offer a grace period where parents can purchase a game and play it themselves to judge whether it'll be appropriate for their children. If they don't think they should let their kids play, then the game could be returned for a 95% refund (provides adequate compensation/profit to the store, but removes incentive for people to keep returning games within the grace period just to play them without having to pay).[/QUOTE]
Almost all new games released today use a CD-key, which is one use only.
[QUOTE=DarkWolf2;25829012]Almost all new games released today use a CD-key, which is one use only.[/QUOTE]
That's really only PC.
Justice Kagan has my eternal respect.
Wow they crushed his arguments. Although i am sure he did have some valid points here and there they didn't show.
[quote=Justice Scalia]That same argument could have been made when movies first came out. They could have said, oh, we’ve had violence in Grimm’s fairy tales, but we’ve never had it live on the screen. I mean, every time there’s a new technology, you can make that argument. [/quote]
Fuck yes, took the words right out of my mouth. I've always been arguing that the reason videos games are being targeted is because they are a fairly new medium. Just as Scalia said, movies could have had the same criticism (and they probably did).
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;25830126]Fuck yes, took the words right out of my mouth. I've always been arguing that the reason videos games are being targeted is because they are a fairly new medium. Just as Scalia said, movies could have had the same criticism (and they probably did).[/QUOTE]
They did, as did comics, rock, D&D and lots of other things.
[quote][B]Justice Scalia[/B]: I’m concerned about the producer of the games who has to know what he has to do in order to comply with the law. And you’re telling me a jury can — of course, a jury can make up its mind, I’m sure. But a law that has criminal penalties has to be clear. And how is the manufacturer to know whether a particular violent game is covered or not? Does he convene his own jury and try it before — you know I really wouldn’t know what to do as a manufacturer.
[B]Morazzini[/B]: I am convinced that the video game industry will know what to do. They rate their video games every day on the basis of violence. They rate them for the intensity of the violence.[/quote]
Haha what a joke. They are trying to impose a law they have no idea how to regulate so they will just leave it up to the game industry. This only further proves that they don't really know what they are doing at all. They are just going after video games because it's a new form of media and pressure from different many different spectrum of society (soccer moms and Jack Thompsons).
[editline]3rd November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=rosthouse;25830184]They did, as did comics, rock, D&D and lots of other things.[/QUOTE]
oh yeah those too
It's funny how we have to witness the same bullshit everytime a new medium shows up.
Warren Spector would be proud.
NExt thing 3D porn
[QUOTE=commander204;25830964]NExt thing 3D porn[/QUOTE]
Because it can make you pregnant!!!
[QUOTE=mobrockers;25831185]Because it can make you pregnant!!![/QUOTE]
Oh man, I forgot about that one.
No no no you guys don't you see? Good ol' Arnold is trying to keep all the 12 year old off the games so you don't have to listen to them jabbing shit while you game.
[editline]3rd November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=FPSMango;25832058]No no no you guys don't you see? Good ol' Arnold is trying to keep all the 12 year old off MW2 so you don't have to listen to them mic spamming while you game.[/QUOTE]
[editline]3rd November 2010[/editline]
What the fuck? Where did the edit button go?
You can't edit News Node posts.
I'm still having a bit of a hard time understanding what California is even pushing for. Isn't it already illegal to sell mature games to minors? I'm a bit confused here.
[QUOTE=XCV;25832745]I'm still having a bit of a hard time understanding what California is even pushing for. Isn't it already illegal to sell mature games to minors? I'm a bit confused here.[/QUOTE]
Its advised againt, not illegal.
Wow, more people will turn to digital distribution even if it had been outlawed. What the fuck do I care, I turn 17 in 16 days so I wouldn't be impacted in the slightest anyhow.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;25832850]Its advised againt, not illegal.[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression that minors couldn't buy an M-rated game without an ID. Their parent(s) would have to buy it for them. I've seen it happen before (hell, it's happened to me), so I don't think there are legal penalties, but that's really the only thing missing.
[QUOTE=GawdOfROFLS;25833287]Wow, more people will turn to digital distribution even if it had been outlawed. What the fuck do I care, I turn 17 in 16 days so I wouldn't be impacted in the slightest anyhow.[/QUOTE]
"It doesn't affect me so I don't care" is exactly what is wrong in such cases.
I still laugh at the irony of this.
A man who's been in countless violent movies and killing people the most brutal ways is trying to ban [b]violent[/b] video games for kids
This videogame debate crap has been going on for so long, it's not a surprise that the Judges pulled every argument in the book on it.
[QUOTE=clanratc;25827688]That was a fun read.
I think that minors should be able to buy violent video games only with parental consent. How to raise children shouldn't be an issue for the government to handle. If the parents have a hard time stopping their kids from playing games they don't want them to play, then maybe they have failed at being parents.[/QUOTE]
This this and this.
It's always the parents fault that they don't stop their children from playing 18+ games. In every damn case of "violent video games caused murder/suicide" you'll just hear the parents complaining at the companies producing these violent video games (that are CLEARLY labeled in an age range way above their 8 year old child) that affect their children and make them do bad stuff. They never once consider the fact that maybe they shouldn't let their children play those games that are meant to be played by someone that's more than twice as old as their child.
If you want your child to avoid becoming insane you teach it not to become insane by teaching it morales, how much a human life is worth, the consequences of doing bad things and teaching them how very different a video game is compared to life.
[editline]3rd November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Saxon;25833620]I still laugh at the irony of this.
A man who's been in countless violent movies and killing people the most brutal ways is trying to ban [b]violent[/b] video games for kids[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it's quite incredible.
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