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This is beautiful..
Yeah strong message and really nice and all. But realistically such a thing can never happen.
Yeah you can do stuff you want, enjoy life, work and enjoy work. But a part of life is doing shit you don't want to do.
Or i can do what this video says, end up broke, unable to feed myself and take care of myself and I live day to day.
Video says what is the point of living a long life and being miserable when you can live a short life happy. Well the point is, i get to live longer. Enjoy things from time to time, a part of having self-control and restraint is knowing you can't possibly have everything in this world.
Plus even then, people who make billions of dollars that can literally do anything they wish, change whoever lives they want, they got a lot of power from that and they end up doing stupid shit or being unhappy. So in reality, when does enough become enough? You do what you want then what do you do after that?
At least while being in a shitty job gives me some type of motivation to do better, be better, and basically get out or move up. Then i can enjoy some finer things and really enjoy them because i know the cost of being able to do that activity. In my eyes when you're just given something you don't truly understand the value or respect it as such.
[QUOTE=MR-X;37935184]Yeah strong message and really nice and all. But realistically such a thing can never happen.
Yeah you can do stuff you want, enjoy life, work and enjoy work. But a part of life is doing shit you don't want to do.
Or i can do what this video says, end up broke, unable to feed myself and take care of myself and I live day to day.
Video says what is the point of living a long life and being miserable when you can live a short life happy. Well the point is, i get to live longer. Enjoy things from time to time, a part of having self-control and restraint is knowing you can't possibly have everything in this world.
Plus even then, people who make billions of dollars that can literally do anything they wish, change whoever lives they want, they got a lot of power from that and they end up doing stupid shit or being unhappy. So in reality, when does enough become enough? You do what you want then what do you do after that?
At least while being in a shitty job gives me some type of motivation to do better, be better, and basically get out or move up. Then i can enjoy some finer things and really enjoy them because i know the cost of being able to do that activity. In my eyes when you're just given something you don't truly understand the value or respect it as such.[/QUOTE]
hi
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Dr. Gabor Mate disagrees.
I would just give other people money and feed off of their happiness.
But likes and interests aren't random? They're not dictated by the individual; they're dictated by what the individual thinks he likes, so if you don't "like" doing something like writing when you're say; 5; but you love it when you're 20; then hate it when you're 60, all due to the things around you and whatnot.
Then isn't doing what you want a bit of a hypocritical statement that can only be applied to the simplest of thing instead of complex professions and things you want to do with your entire life?
Things are ever changing in terms of your interests; and is doing what you want as a college kid your entire life really what you'll want forever? Spend your life doing what you want doesn't make sense because want isn't static.
If in the long run; money enables you to live a long life and do what you want and to help others do what they want, then isn't money the better path to take to get what you want? Because money is universal and you can buy anything you're interested in at the time with it.
But I'm not here to argue that the way we live our lives is right or wrong, I already know the system isn't exactly in a state of equality; but if everyone had what they wanted, noone would have anything they want. We stand on the ideals and interests of money; and human empathy will probably never be enough to hinder raw want; instinct for dominance; and power.
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How are you supposed to do what you want if society and everything around you tells you that you need money to do it; which is true. You need money to meet your ever changing needs; and magic voodoo encouragemental ideas are not going to change society.
[QUOTE=lifehole;37936929]How are you supposed to do what you want if society and everything around you tells you that you need money to do it; which is true. You need money to meet your ever changing needs; and magic voodoo encouragemental ideas are not going to change society.[/QUOTE]
Not saying I 100% agree with the sentiment of that quote, I just thought it was pretty relevant to the video
[QUOTE=RobbL;37936950]Not saying I 100% agree with the sentiment of that quote, I just thought it was pretty relevant to the video[/QUOTE]
And it is; and it is a true quote that I agree with; but it causes nothing but paradoxical depression because it puts your entire life in a whole with no way out; just one of the many ways of looking at typical life.
thats good and all but doing what id want to do would leave me ultimately fucked and still not doing what I want to do because you do need money to survive.
I question myself on this often
I'm doing a degree I have a passion for, but I always feel like I'm doing it just for money (which I mostly am, I guess). Or, doing it to get a job to work for the majority of my life to get money.
I still believe money can buy happiness, though, despite what people say. I hope I'll find out one day
[QUOTE=MR-X;37935184]Yeah strong message and really nice and all. But realistically such a thing can never happen.
Yeah you can do stuff you want, enjoy life, work and enjoy work. But a part of life is doing shit you don't want to do.
Or i can do what this video says, end up broke, unable to feed myself and take care of myself and I live day to day.
Video says what is the point of living a long life and being miserable when you can live a short life happy. Well the point is, i get to live longer. Enjoy things from time to time, a part of having self-control and restraint is knowing you can't possibly have everything in this world.
Plus even then, people who make billions of dollars that can literally do anything they wish, change whoever lives they want, they got a lot of power from that and they end up doing stupid shit or being unhappy. So in reality, when does enough become enough? You do what you want then what do you do after that?
At least while being in a shitty job gives me some type of motivation to do better, be better, and basically get out or move up. Then i can enjoy some finer things and really enjoy them because i know the cost of being able to do that activity. In my eyes when you're just given something you don't truly understand the value or respect it as such.[/QUOTE]
You say "Plus even then, people who make billions of dollars that can literally do anything they wish" and you miss the point. He's saying you should do what you enjoy even if it makes you a little/modest living. Because that is what you would do if you had billions of dollars anyway. Sure being in a bad job motivates you to get out of it, but then what? Find your passion so that working is not a chore. He's not saying you're given anything, you have to work for it but if it's a passion it no longer feels like work to you.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;37937005]thats good and all but doing what id want to do would leave me ultimately fucked and still not doing what I want to do because you do need money to survive.[/QUOTE]
The society we live in grants us a thin veil of freedom and hope; when in reality it is up to luck. For a large portion of our history we relied on monarchy; luck of where you were born, now if you're born to the CEO of the biggest corporation on earth or similar super-rich you are lucky enough to live your life how you want to.
I just think the philosphy is good but you cant just jump straight into doing what you want to do, you need to spend a few years making money or building skills to do it feasibly
[QUOTE=Haunted;37937042]You say "Plus even then, people who make billions of dollars that can literally do anything they wish" and you miss the point. He's saying you should do what you enjoy even if it makes you a little/modest living. Because that is what you would do if you had billions of dollars anyway. Sure being in a bad job motivates you to get out of it, but then what? Find your passion so that working is not a chore. He's not saying you're given anything, you have to work for it but if it's a passion it no longer feels like work to you.[/QUOTE]
Your "Passion" is subjective and ever changing; as is your brain. Your passion will still be like work even if you have an illusion of joy of doing it. You aren't born with a predetermined set of likes and interests; it is determined by the society around you. And sure you can seclude yourself and live a boring life doing the same thing over and over again in the name of it being your passion; or you could be rich and dive to the deepest oceans and buy your own skyscraper to bungie jump off of.
"Specialization is for insects"
I've seen this message said in a million ways, and a million different times.
While it's cute and all, and I wish it was applicable, but it's not. Would I love to go off and be a writer, or a game designer, or an architect? Sure. Damn straight. Except those are all gambles, and then when the slot machine doesn't allow; I'll be stuck barely scraping by and with a job (or secondary job[s]) that I won't enjoy doing. And I won't enjoy my living, barely being able to do the thing I want to do.
It's a beautiful concept, living in a society where we can up and do whatever we would want. What we would want to be. Etcetera. It doesn't exist, unless you get the luck of the draw or what you enjoy doing is in demand. What people define as a modest or spartan living is totally subjective though. The whole thing is. What I consider 'barely scraping by' could be 'quite nice' to someone else.
Yet, to throw out the demand for the set of skills you plan to spend your life using? That's a terrible idea. Let's say you love math and are good at science, but your true love is math. You could go on and a mathematician with little income and future aspects leading you to be a teacher and little else. Or, on the other hand, you could become a mechanical engineer and earn triple (or more) while still working on things loosely related to what you enjoy.
Watching videos like this, reading stories about some writer who went from rags to riches? Those, to me, are more poisonous on the mind than accepting that life may be depressing, trivial, repetitive or hard. Take a gander in a low-to-middle income high school. Nudge those students about how many plan to be great actors or rappers, and how they'll make millions by dropping out or neglecting college and doing what they love doing. Tell me how many of them make it.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;37935248]hi
Dr. Gabor Mate disagrees.[/QUOTE]
Oh hey, it's Zeitgeist again.
I've noticed people tend to not post Part 1 of this series, which talks about how 9/11 was staged (or deliberately allowed to happen) and all modern wars are orchestrated by international bankers for profit.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;37937536]Oh hey, it's Zeitgeist again.
I've noticed people tend to not post Part 1 of this series, which talks about how 9/11 was staged (or deliberately allowed to happen) and all modern wars are orchestrated by international bankers for profit.[/QUOTE]
Well we can't prove it wasn't
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37937739]Well we can't prove it wasn't[/QUOTE]
Yeah and I can't prove that god/allah/shiva isn't real; doesn't mean they are.
nice job comparing human affairs to gods
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;37937536]Oh hey, it's Zeitgeist again.
I've noticed people tend to not post Part 1 of this series, which talks about how 9/11 was staged (or deliberately allowed to happen) [B]and all modern wars are orchestrated by international bankers for profit[/B].[/QUOTE]
Explain to me what's wrong with that
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Oh what a horrible and shallow life. The man works,(not contributing to society), for money, (not used to feed/house/clothe his family), and then he sacrifices his money to live longer, (not to some person who spends years in a field which has basically doubled average lifespan, thus allowing people to do more of what they want).
I hope the Dali Lama made the clothes he's wearing by himself and gathered the materials in the first place.
Yes there are issues to money, yes there is greed, and yes there are the hungry but the alternative is worse.
[QUOTE=DrBreen;37938960]nice job comparing human affairs to gods[/QUOTE]
The logic you used was terrible.
[QUOTE=Thlis;37939754]Oh what a horrible and shallow life. The man works,(not contributing to society), for money, (not used to feed/house/clothe his family), and then he sacrifices his money to live longer, (not to some person who spends years in a field which has basically doubled average lifespan, thus allowing people to do more of what they want).
I hope the Dali Lama made the clothes he's wearing by himself and gathered the materials in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I think the comic is more about striking the right balance.
You guys are missing the point, the point is to be happy. you aren't going to be happy if you quit your job and spend your life savings to go to a lavish art school just to end up on the streets because no one wants to buy your paintings. just take the time to inject some happiness into your life, do what you want to do every once in a while.
That video was beautiful. I cried.
I guess the moral of story is that.. people do things.
If they don't, they grow bored and will destroy themselves.
There's no point in telling people to do what they want when they've been doing what they hate. The more you do something pointless the more you have to justify having done it.
The people with the will to succeed in what they want to do are the people who don't need convincing.
I want to work in the field studying reptiles and amphibians, so I am working toward it as a career. I kind of agree with the video, if you can get a job doing what you enjoy go for it.
I have already decided if I ever come into a ton of cash I would travel the world finding rare/endangered/awesome species; then I would track down every species in the Audubon Society field guide to North American Reptiles and Amphibians.
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I think too many people are seeing this as "You dont need money" when it is saying "Try to earn your money doing something you enjoy". Sure if the thing that makes you happy is expensive you need to have a way to make a ton cash, but things dont necessarily have to be expensive to make you happy.
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Reminds me of this scene in Office space
[quote]Peter : What would you do if you had a million dollars?
Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two chicks at the same time, man.
Peter : That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause chicks dig dudes with money.
Peter : Well, not all chicks.
Lawrence: Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like me do.
Peter : Good point.
Lawrence: Well, what about you now? What would you do?
Peter: Besides two chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Well, yeah.
Peter: Nothing.
Lawrence: Nothing, huh?
Peter: I would relax... I would sit on my ass all day... I would do nothing.
Lawrence: Well, you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Take a look at my cousin: he's broke, don't do shit. [/quote]
What it is trying to say is, don't get a job just for money. Don't get that office job with the boss you hate, where you're busting your ass for the promotion and corner office. Do something that you enjoy. If you're lucky enough to make a career out of something you absolutely love, the money that you do make no matter how little or how much will just be more icing on the cake.
I don't want to be a marine biologist for the salary, I can tell you that much.
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