South Korean Soldier goes rogue, kills 5 of his own comrades before killing himself - Polidicks

[img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/22/article-2664922-1F041A8100000578-835_634x358.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/23/article-2664878-1F091EFE00000578-860_634x505.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/22/article-2664922-1F0231E500000578-917_634x434.jpg[/img] [quote] SEOUL—The South Korean military sought to persuade a soldier who killed five of his comrades in a shooting rampage to surrender late Sunday as an armed standoff unfolded close to the North Korean border. The soldier fired multiple shots at troops that surrounded him earlier in the day, hitting one officer in the arm, a defense ministry official said. While on his way back to his barracks Saturday, the soldier, a sergeant in his early 20s, threw a grenade that exploded and opened fire on other soldiers for reasons that remain unclear, the official said. The attack at a guard post in northeastern Gangwon province also injured seven others, all of whom are all expected to live, according to the ministry. The soldier fled the scene and was sought by troops. As day broke, helicopters scanned the densely forested countryside in an intense manhunt. Civilians were told to take refuge in nearby schools and roadblocks were set up to stop the soldier from heading for towns to the south. The military also tightened its watch on the border to counter any attempt by the soldier to defect to North Korea. On Sunday afternoon, the soldier was cornered in a forested area about 10 kilometers from his base near the town of Goseong, and a brief exchange of fire followed. As night fell, a tense standoff set in. Officials said one of the soldier's parents had joined an effort to persuade him to surrender. Local media reported that a "shoot to kill" order was given if the soldier didn't give himself up. The defense ministry declined to confirm the reported order. The defense ministry said the soldier was due to be discharged in September and had a surname most commonly Romanized as "Lim." South Korea's 650,000-member military is largely conscription-based, with all able-bodied men required to serve for about two years. In a regular personality test in April last year, the sergeant had been categorized as needing "special attention," meaning he was considered at high risk of attempting suicide or causing accidents, according to the ministry. Such soldiers aren't allowed to serve near the inter-Korean border. Another test in November last year showed an improvement, and the soldier was recategorized as needing "focused attention," meaning that with sufficient help from others, he was considered apt for general duties, the ministry said. Soldiers in this category can serve at outposts near the border. Guard posts near the border have a reputation for being some of the most tense areas for soldiers to be stationed. Tens of thousands of troops from both Koreas are amassed in the area, and cross-border firefights have broken out in the past. South Korean troops also have turned their weapons on their fellow soldiers. In 2011, a South Korean marine went on a shooting spree inside an island base near the inter-Korean border, killing four. In 2005, a South Korean soldier threw a grenade into a bunk house at a base near the border where other soldiers were sleeping, killing eight.[/quote] [url]http://online.wsj.com/articles/south-koreas-military-searching-for-soldier-who-killed-five-comrades-1403412015[/url]

ah What The Flying Fuck.

Maybe summer shooting season is crossing the Pacific?

Where does it say he killed himself?

Considering his post and his mental health status, this was a bit predictable. How ever, I see no fault in the actions of the SKAF. You can't predict everything.

He got captured after a failed suicide attempt apparently. Bit of good news at least. [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27971370[/url]

NK Mind control?

[QUOTE=Tibbolax;45190093]NK Mind control?[/QUOTE] More like NK sympathiser

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;45190137]More like NK sympathiser[/QUOTE] Devil's advocates. Not even once.

I am going to be disgusted if the N. Koreans use this as propaganda, which i dont doubt.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;45190137]More like NK sympathiser[/QUOTE] mind control is more likely than that

[QUOTE=Novangel;45190091]He got captured after a failed suicide attempt apparently. Bit of good news at least. [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27971370[/url][/QUOTE] What's the point? He's going to be sentenced to death anyway.

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;45190065]ah What The Flying Fuck.[/QUOTE] Are You Jaden Smith?

people snap. people have mental issues. people shoot people. just part of the world we live in.

Korean Rambo?

I mean, what could possibly go wrong if you train someone to kill people...

[QUOTE=H4ngman;45194796]I mean, what could possibly go wrong if you train someone to kill people...[/QUOTE] I don't know particularities of specifically Korean army, but I don't think armies train people to kill, they train them to follow orders. If there's any training specifically regarding shooting at somebody, the idea usually is that the target is a threat to you and others and you aren't trying to explicitly kill them, but to ensure they won't threaten you or others anymore.

From some other new sites, I read that this soldier is a conscript (all Korean male have to do 2 years of military service) and he had a hard time adjusting to army life when he was first conscripted. He had two psychiatric evaluations since he entered the service. Here is the reason why I have a problem with military conscription and it is this: You can never force people to do something they doesn't want to do and they will be terrible at what they do if you force them. You can't fit a triangle into a square hole. Some people are excellent at customer service, other are terrible at it. Some people hate mundane jobs, other excels at it. Some people are born to join the military, other are not. If this soldier is not cut out for military service, then get him out of the military and use the resources on some other more qualified soldier. That five soldiers killed would be alive today. I personally think the whole concept of conscript is an outdated concept. The whole idea of conscription to allow a nation-state to have soldiers trained, ready and a huge army levied when needed. Look, I understand that some country must have conscript because they are surrounded by hostile forces (ex: Israel) and they need everyone armed and ready. However, I believe that people have it in their conscience to know that their country needs them and will enlist and serve in their country's armed forces WITHOUT conscription. If Israel end conscription tomorrow, there wouldn't be a major decline in manpower. However, there are other times that conscript is utterly stupid. For example, the Vietnam War. I was just reading the thread on "Secret German Documents reveal Illegal Nazi Army formed after the end of WWII". [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1403935[/url] It is about ex-Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS soldiers banding together and forming a secret army behind the allies occupation's back to counter eastern aggression. These soldiers have been through the shi*tiest of all shi*s, they more than earned their rest. They can just stay home and collect their pension or stay in their 9 to 5 job created by the Marshal Plan and never again put their lives in harms way. Yet they still have a sense of duty to continue protecting Germany even after what they been through after WWII. This goes back to what I said earlier, people have it in their heart to know when their country need them.

[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;45190160]Devil's advocates. Not even once.[/QUOTE] i don't think you know what devil's advocate means

I'm pretty getting afraid to go conscription :CCC anyway, I got some funny pic from local news. [img]http://i.imgur.com/HWL6OHW.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Antlerp;45190589]mind control is more likely than that[/QUOTE] What do you think this is, The Manchurian Candidate?

This is bad as it is, but it could of very well been worse. If he would of went to the border and started shooting at NK Military Personnel they would of thought that he was a normal South Korean soldier, of which would of caused things to escalate very quickly.

[QUOTE=Person234;45196838]From some other new sites, I read that this soldier is a conscript (all Korean male have to do 2 years of military service) and he had a hard time adjusting to army life when he was first conscripted. He had two psychiatric evaluations since he entered the service. Here is the reason why I have a problem with military conscription and it is this: You can never force people to do something they doesn't want to do and they will be terrible at what they do if you force them. You can't fit a triangle into a square hole. Some people are excellent at customer service, other are terrible at it. Some people hate mundane jobs, other excels at it. Some people are born to join the military, other are not. If this soldier is not cut out for military service, then get him out of the military and use the resources on some other more qualified soldier. That five soldiers killed would be alive today. I personally think the whole concept of conscript is an outdated concept. The whole idea of conscription to allow a nation-state to have soldiers trained, ready and a huge army levied when needed. Look, I understand that some country must have conscript because they are surrounded by hostile forces (ex: Israel) and they need everyone armed and ready. However, I believe that people have it in their conscience to know that their country needs them and will enlist and serve in their country's armed forces WITHOUT conscription. If Israel end conscription tomorrow, there wouldn't be a major decline in manpower. However, there are other times that conscript is utterly stupid. For example, the Vietnam War. I was just reading the thread on "Secret German Documents reveal Illegal Nazi Army formed after the end of WWII". [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1403935[/url] It is about ex-Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS soldiers banding together and forming a secret army behind the allies occupation's back to counter eastern aggression. These soldiers have been through the shi*tiest of all shi*s, they more than earned their rest. They can just stay home and collect their pension or stay in their 9 to 5 job created by the Marshal Plan and never again put their lives in harms way. Yet they still have a sense of duty to continue protecting Germany even after what they been through after WWII. This goes back to what I said earlier, people have it in their heart to know when their country need them.[/QUOTE] Conscription is an unfortunate necessity for countries like South Korea, Taiwan, and Israel.

[QUOTE=G3rman;45199349]Conscription is an unfortunate necessity for countries like Singapore.[/QUOTE] Fixed. The countries you mentioned above actually has more reasons to have conscription rather than here. South Korea has North Korea, Taiwan has China, Israel has all the Middle East Countries. They all have threats that pose as a risk cause they could strike anytime. Singapore doesn't have any threats. It has no natural resources either.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;45199369]Fixed. The countries you mentioned above actually has more reasons to have conscription rather than here. South Korea has North Korea, Taiwan has China, Israel has all the Middle East Countries. They all have threats that pose as a risk cause they could strike anytime. Singapore doesn't have any threats. It has no natural resources either.[/QUOTE] I think you misunderstood the post? He was saying that, sadly, those countries [I]do[/I] need conscription.

There was a similar incident in 1993 where a soldier went rogue and took some hostages in Seoul. Ended up getting into a gun battle with police and army units I think 1 person was killed [video=youtube;TBY994BQ5xQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBY994BQ5xQ[/video] edit: forgot how to do the embed shit

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;45199369]Fixed. The countries you mentioned above actually has more reasons to have conscription rather than here. South Korea has North Korea, Taiwan has China, Israel has all the Middle East Countries. They all have threats that pose as a risk cause they could strike anytime. Singapore doesn't have any threats. It has no natural resources either.[/QUOTE] yea m8 but we're surrounded by fookin' moslems and communist terr- oh wait but still! moslems!!!!!

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45199618]I think you misunderstood the post? He was saying that, sadly, those countries [I]do[/I] need conscription.[/QUOTE] gimme bad reading.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but don't conscripts in SK get very little training with their firearms? I heard a rumor they get 30 rounds at a range every few months, so in case they ever go AWOL. SK seems like a stressful place to live, constant berating by parents, your government, your culture. The whole curfews set in place just for the purpose of kids studying late at night seems like a total nightmare.