Terrorist attack (dubbed a hate crime by the police) today in the UK
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A knifeman reportedly stabbed a passenger on a train at Forest Hill station before chasing people outside shouting "I want to kill a Muslim".
The attacker allegedly shouted: "Who is a Muslim? I want to kill a Muslim."
A 38-year-old man from London has been arrested on suspicion of GBH following the "serious incident", British Transport Police confirmed.
They said they were treating the incident as a "serious hate crime" but said there was "no suggestion of wider terrorist aspect".
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[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/forest-hill-stabbing-kill-muslims-attacker-suspect-station-london-train-a7470016.html[/url]
If this situation was reversed it would almost certainly be considered terrorism.
This is not even being reported by the BBC.
And here we go. This is a good catalyst to spark that retarded extremism flame in Europe.
If the whole purpose was to just stab people based on their religious choice, that isn't by any means a terrorist attack, that pretty clearly fits the hate crime definition. Regardless of who's doing the stabbing.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;51518936]And here we go. This is a good catalyst to spark that retarded extremism flame in Europe.[/QUOTE]
In the UK, there has been more terrorist attacks by white men against muslims in the last year than terrorist attacks committed by muslims.
[editline]12th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Worstcase;51518952]If the whole purpose was to just stab people based on their religious choice, that isn't by any means a terrorist attack, that pretty clearly fits the hate crime definition. Regardless of who's doing the stabbing.[/QUOTE]
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.
[quote]Other eyewitnesses said the man was shouting "death to Muslims" and "go back to Syria"[/quote]
Committing acts of violence to cause a political effect is the very definition of terrorism. Now tell me, is immigration not a political topic?
terrorism/hate crimes are about motives, here's what the FBI uses
[quote]Hate crime (also known as bias crime) is a criminal offense committed against a person, property, or society that is motivated, in whole or in part, by the offender's bias against a race, religion, ethnic or national origin, sexual orientation, or disability.
Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, to further political or social objectives.[/quote]
Did he get away or was he arrested? The article doesn't even mention what happened after the incident.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51518929][url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/forest-hill-stabbing-kill-muslims-attacker-suspect-station-london-train-a7470016.html[/url]
If this situation was reversed it would almost certainly be considered terrorism.
[B]This is not even being reported by the BBC[/B].[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38290932[/url]
Uh yes it is
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;51518979]Did he get away or was he arrested? The article doesn't even mention what happened after the incident.[/QUOTE]
third line in OP
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51518954]
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.
Committing acts of violence to cause a political effect is the very definition of terrorism. Now tell me, is immigration not a political topic?[/QUOTE]
Certainly but if the best you got for proving him being politically motivated is him shouting "go back to Syria", that isn't much of a case. From the article it seems his remarks were primarily targeted at Muslims, for being Muslims. A hate crime.
[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;51518989][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38290932[/url]
Uh yes it is[/QUOTE]
By that I mean on the homepage.
Absolute asshole. Hope they lock him up for years to come.
[QUOTE=Perrine;51518992]third line in OP[/QUOTE]
I probably shouldn't try reading this on a phone. Glad to see he was arrested without incident.
[QUOTE=Worstcase;51518993]Certainly but if the best you got for proving him being politically motivated is him shouting "go back to Syria", that isn't much of a case. From the article it seems his remarks were primarily targeted at Muslims, for being Muslims. A hate crime.[/QUOTE]
But if you think about the social impacts of an attack like this against muslims, it is causing a political effect. If you compare it black and white, yes it's not a terrorist attack because there is no direct verbal statement against a political subject (although there was, but unverified). However the result of it will sow fear into the muslim population, causing a very small percentage to either leave or not come here at all. This effects immigration, a very hot political topic.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51518954]In the UK, there has been more terrorist attacks by white men against muslims in the last year than terrorist attacks committed by muslims.
[editline]12th December 2016[/editline]
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.
Committing acts of violence to cause a political effect is the very definition of terrorism. Now tell me, is immigration not a political topic?[/QUOTE]
imo the definition of hate crime and terrorism are both ambiguous to be used interchangeably in most cases. You could very convincingly argue for the application of either term in this case and still be entirely "right". I think it's a little goofy to cry foul that they're calling it a hate crime instead of terrorism though lol
9/11 was a hate crime
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51519022]But if you think about the social impacts of an attack like this against muslims, it is causing a political effect. If you compare it black and white, yes it's not a terrorist attack because there is no direct verbal statement against a political subject (although there was, but unverified). However the result of it will sow fear into the muslim population, causing a very small percentage to either leave or not come here at all. This effects immigration, a very hot political topic.[/QUOTE]
Okay well then from now on every time a Muslim guy kills somebody and says something religious we get to label it a terrorist attack and you're not allowed to complain about it, does that sound fair? Because his religious cries could be construed as inciting terror into the general population, okay?
[editline]12th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51519035]9/11 was a hate crime[/QUOTE]
Even sarcastically this is really dumb.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51519022]But if you think about the social impacts of an attack like this against muslims, it is causing a political effect. If you compare it black and white, yes it's not a terrorist attack because there is no direct verbal statement against a political subject (although there was, but unverified). However the result of it will sow fear into the muslim population, causing a very small percentage to either leave or not come here at all. This effects immigration, a very hot political topic.[/QUOTE]
What the populace at large chooses to think about a particular crime doesn't change the nature of the crime itself. Such a justice system would be ridiculous.
[QUOTE=srobins;51519037]Okay well then from now on every time a Muslim guy kills somebody and says something religious we get to label it a terrorist attack and you're not allowed to complain about it, does that sound fair? Because his religious cries could be construed as inciting terror into the general population, okay?
[editline]12th December 2016[/editline]
Even sarcastically this is really dumb.[/QUOTE]
Well, yes. It's still creating a political effect. Like somebody said it is ambiguous, but I think the intent is often pretty clear.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51519035]9/11 was a hate crime[/QUOTE]
This is so wrong that its actually bait.
[editline]12th December 2016[/editline]
No one is actually calling it a terrorist incident because its not. Its a crime motivated by bias... also known as a hate crime.
OP do you have something you'd like to share with us all? Or are you just making up shit that isnt in your source?
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51519035]9/11 was a hate crime[/QUOTE]
i mean it kind of was
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51519035]9/11 was a hate crime[/QUOTE]
Are these labels mutually exclusive?
what difference does it make what you call it.
some moron waving a knife around south london isnt some extraordinary event
[QUOTE=AK'z;51519671]what difference does it make what you call it.
some moron waving a knife around south london isnt some extraordinary event[/QUOTE]
Okay, but some moron waving a knife around on a train in South London, whilst screaming about how he hates all Muslims, then stabbing someone, is a slightly more newsworthy event.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;51519845]Okay, but some moron waving a knife around on a train in South London, whilst screaming about how he hates all Muslims, then stabbing someone, is a slightly more newsworthy event.[/QUOTE]
there are far worse things that don't get reported that I've seen.
[editline]13th December 2016[/editline]
it's only the fact that "muslim" is involved that it becomes headline news.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51518929][url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/forest-hill-stabbing-kill-muslims-attacker-suspect-station-london-train-a7470016.html[/url]
If this situation was reversed it would almost certainly be considered terrorism.
This is not even being reported by the BBC.[/QUOTE]
look, what the guy did was wrong and he should be punished for it.
but terrorism is causing harm onto others with a political goal in mind.
this guy was just being discriminatory, thus it falls under a hate crime.
[QUOTE=AK'z;51519901]there are far worse things that don't get reported that I've seen.
[editline]13th December 2016[/editline]
it's only the fact that "muslim" is involved that it becomes headline news.[/QUOTE]
Is it really a contest of which event is more shit?
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;51520112]Is it really a contest of which event is more shit?[/QUOTE]
no but the op seemed annoyed this didnt get as much attention as the 7/7 bombing
why can't it be both a hate crime and a terrorist act?
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38290932[/url]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38307488[/url]
Reported twice on the BBC.
[QUOTE=Shadow801;51518929][URL]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/forest-hill-stabbing-kill-muslims-attacker-suspect-station-london-train-a7470016.html[/URL]
If this situation was reversed it would almost certainly be considered terrorism.
This is not even being reported by the BBC.[/QUOTE]
I know you really want to push the "its only not a terrorist attack because he's white!!" (even tho he's not) but one single stabbing incident that resulted in only a hospitalization is not a fucking "terror attack". It's a hate crime.
Maybe you'd have a point if it was reported as just an assault, and NOT even a hate crime. Maybe you'd have a point if not for the fact that it's an assault on one person that somehow managed to make national news. But you don't. Muslims are not such unicorns that the assault of one of them will make global headlines as a "terror attack". Sorry.
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