Several Arab nations to conduct airstrikes against ISIS; Saudi Arabia halts ISIS recruitment - Polidicks

[quote]The meeting was held in Cairo during Kerry's five day trip to the region. Kerry traveled to Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Turkey before making his final stop in Cairo, Egypt on Sunday. The trip was aimed at enlisting support from Arab nations to aid in the fight against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), also known as ISIL. As reported by Digital Journal, members of the Arab League met in Cairo on September 7th to agree on a resolution regarding immediate steps to combat the Islamic State. During a Face the Nation interview on Sunday, Kerry told Bob Schieffer that the United States is not looking for "boots on the ground," but he said there are Arab countries prepared to join the United States in airstrikes. Kerry did not name the specific countries that have offered support.[/quote] [quote]Security and outreach campaigns are under way in Saudi Arabia to prevent youth from traveling abroad to fight alongside extremist groups at the urging of some imams and religious scholars, officials told Al-Shorfa. Saudi Arabia's Grand Mufti has warned the kingdom's youth not to be led astray by "calls for jihad". "It is a great calamity that our youths are being exploited to fuel sedition," Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Sheikh said soon after the Tumair arrests. "It is a serious matter that the youth are being sent to[…] lands they do not know and under flags and principles they do not know, only to become victims: detained, sold and bargained for," he said.[/quote] [URL="http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/arab-league-countries-to-provide-airstrike-against-isis/article/403162"]Source 1[/URL] [URL="http://al-shorfa.com/en_GB/articles/meii/features/2014/09/17/feature-01"]Source 2[/URL]

It's hard to imagine the Islamic State getting any recruits from lands outside their control. But it's happening.

It's hard to imagine that Saudi Arabia are being the sensible ones in this situation.

[QUOTE=The Aussie;46043803]It's hard to imagine that Saudi Arabia are being the sensible ones in this situation.[/QUOTE] I think they see some logic in their stone brains, a little fraction of it being ground down to the simplest of terms that even their brains can comprehend: The IS is dying, and they will be exterminated. Their barbaric ideals will be flushed into the sand. Their deceiving ways will be blown to kingdom come, and their pathetic being will be obliterated to where only IS is a small note in a very small selection of history.

[QUOTE=Covalent;46043842]I think they see some logic in their stone brains, a little fraction of it being ground down to the simplest of terms that even their brains can comprehend: The IS is dying, and they will be exterminated. Their barbaric ideals will be flushed into the sand. Their deceiving ways will be blown to kingdom come, and their pathetic being will be obliterated to where only IS is a small note in a very small selection of history.[/QUOTE] Cute poetry you came up with but as it is right now IS isn't dying... They are growing actually. The real problem is airstrikes will not destroy them by any means. All it will really do is prolong the conflict further cause no one side will win. But let's say airstrikes somehow manage to weaken them enough to where Iraqi state and Syrian state retake ground, is all that effort worth it? You replace corrupt religious tyrants with corrupt secular tyrants (not so secular in Iraq's case). It just seems like a lose lose situation and the only way to truly "win" would involve massive ground involvement and many years deployed in the region. Sound familiar to anyone? I just hate the humanitarian dialogue western leaders spew when really it just boils down to the US and arab allies playing chess with millions of peoples lives and two countries to try and better their own geopolitical standings. In my opinion the only good option is balkanization of the region.

[QUOTE=Covalent;46043842][B][I]I think they see some logic in their stone brains, a little fraction of it being ground down to the simplest of terms that even their brains can comprehend:[/I][/B] The IS is dying, and they will be exterminated. Their barbaric ideals will be flushed into the sand. Their deceiving ways will be blown to kingdom come, and their pathetic being will be obliterated to where only IS is a small note in a very small selection of history.[/QUOTE] :pwn:

[QUOTE=Covalent;46043842]I think they see some logic in their stone brains, a little fraction of it being ground down to the simplest of terms that even their brains can comprehend[/QUOTE] u wot

[QUOTE=Kardia;46043785]It's hard to imagine the Islamic State getting any recruits from lands outside their control. But it's happening.[/QUOTE] I don't think it's hard to see why. Lots of people in countries like Saudi Arabia feel disenfranchised. Think about it, if you were a teen in Saudi Arabia would you think the royal family was offering you anything? Are they offering a share of power, of being able to change laws, to change and improve your standard of living? No, they are all about 'my way or the highway'. Well, some people when faced with that option will choose the highway.

[QUOTE=Kardia;46043785]It's hard to imagine the Islamic State getting any recruits from lands outside their control. But it's happening.[/QUOTE] I would be more surprised if the ISIS actually did get voluntary recruits from the lands they control.

Good. But the only reason they're stopping ISIS is that they're going to be wiped out in the long run if this continues. It's just another rival power to them. Might I mention that the logical conclusion to the religious drama playing out in the middle east is a scripture-dictated caliphate? They're going to see massive revolt if their claim becomes legitimate.

[img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/FCUrcof.jpg[/img_thumb] say hello to the end of the line ISIS

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;46046820]They do get. There are plenty of people sympathizing with ISIS, maybe because ISIS treats them better than Iraq or Syria, or in a better situation than former civil war era.. People in question are absolutely not Shia, Kurd or Yazidi, Ibadi, Christian, Zoroastrian... You get the idea. [editline]22nd September 2014[/editline] For example, I read an interview of an ex-ISIS militant, he says that in one village, a commander was sentenced to 70 lashes because he fought with a local. He also says that ISIS was a reaction against Al-Nusrat front, he says Al-Nusrat was just a band of bandits pretending to be mujahideen, and says that FSA accepted any recruits so it was mostly composed of criminals, rapists and that type of band. Just to give you an idea of the opposing side, i have no intention of defending ISIS.[/QUOTE] I very much suspect a lot of the bad stuff we see is groups within IS going nuts, rather than the central leadership saying "right fellas we need to go and kidnap some children". I also think some of the people in IS probably want to leave, having realised their idea of holy war isn't all it was cracked up to be but because of who they associated themselves with they will have nowhere to go so they're stuck. I might be wrong but I just don't imagine so many 1000s of people all being utter assholes.

Wish the Lebanese had more than just an air-farce to participate in these strikes.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;46046858][img_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/FCUrcof.jpg[/img_thumb] say hello to the end of the line ISIS[/QUOTE]Someone could make a fortune manufacturing those flags for Westerners to burn.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46046928]I very much suspect a lot of the bad stuff we see is groups within IS going nuts, rather than the central leadership saying "right fellas we need to go and kidnap some children". I also think some of the people in IS probably want to leave, having realised their idea of holy war isn't all it was cracked up to be but because of who they associated themselves with they will have nowhere to go so they're stuck. I might be wrong but I just don't imagine so many 1000s of people all being utter assholes.[/QUOTE] Sadly doubt it, given how publicly ISIS command totes those tales of armed dickery.

[QUOTE=Aman;46043861]The real problem is airstrikes will not destroy them by any means. All it will really do is prolong the conflict further cause no one side will win. But let's say airstrikes somehow manage to weaken them enough to where Iraqi state and Syrian state retake ground, is all that effort worth it? You replace corrupt religious tyrants with corrupt secular tyrants (not so secular in Iraq's case). [/QUOTE] It's better for there to be several divided countries run by many different corrupt tyrants than one unified country run by a much smaller number of tyrants.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;46047048]It's better for there to be several divided countries run by many different corrupt tyrants than one unified country run by a much smaller number of tyrants.[/QUOTE] Based on what? The only advantage I see to this would be competition stopping any of them form being to powerful, which doesn't seem to work. [editline]22nd September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Riller;46047034]Sadly doubt it, given how publicly ISIS command totes those tales of armed dickery.[/QUOTE] Maybe I'm just too naive to believe so many people could be so bad