Suicide bomber on Iraqi forces found to be Ex-Guantanamo Detainee..... Abu-Zakariya al-Britani! - Polidicks

[img]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/89CE/production/_94787253_mediaitem94787250.jpg[/img] [quote][b]A British IS fighter who died in a suicide bomb attack on Iraqi forces in Mosul is a former Guantanamo Bay detainee[/b], the BBC understands. The self-styled Islamic State group said two days ago that Abu-Zakariya al-Britani detonated a car bomb at an Iraqi army base in Tal Gaysum, south-west of Mosul. He is believed to have been originally known as Ronald Fiddler. Fiddler, 50 and from Manchester, was sent to Guantanamo Bay in 2002.[/quote] [quote] The Daily Mail reported [b]Fiddler received a million pounds in compensation from the government when he came back to the UK.[/b] The BBC has seen IS registration papers signed by Fiddler in April 2014 when he crossed into Syria from Turkey. He volunteered to be a fighter, saying his knowledge of Islam was basic. His wife told the Daily Mirror that she and their five children went to Syria try to persuade him to come back, but failed, and they ended up having to flee for their lives from IS territory. [/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39045923[/url] I... I don't even know what to say? :incredible: :why:

The gold question: Was he in for the team before Guantanamo or he switched over after being detained there? The guys over at GCHQ must have the answer, surely.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51855077]The gold question: Was he in for the team before Guantanamo or he switched over after being detained there? The guys over at GCHQ must have the answer, surely.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what I had on my mind Mother dearest thinks he was a terrorist before... but then again mother doesn't always know best... Home wife & Part time Secretary != Defence Expert.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51855077]The gold question: Was he in for the team before Guantanamo or he switched over after being detained there? The guys over at GCHQ must have the answer, surely.[/QUOTE] If you read the article, you would know. - Captured as a member of the Taliban in 2001 - Gave US interrogators tons of reliable intelligence - Released from US custody in 2003 - Joined the Islamic State in 2014

"This certainly worked out pretty well last time." They actually have registration forms?

So why did they release him? It is not like you can rehabilitate a terrorist.

Why did we give him £1 million if he was found to be a member of a terrorist group?

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51855388]So why did they release him? It is not like you can rehabilitate a terrorist.[/QUOTE] You can torture the living christ out of them and indoctrinate them into your way of thinking. It's called "Reeducation" I think.

i can't believe all that torture didn't turn him into a productive member of society!

[QUOTE=Mining Bill;51855639]i can't believe all that torture didn't turn him into a productive member of society![/QUOTE] A radicalized person can't be healed from toxic opinions and dangerous views. He should have never left Guantanamo Bay. Alive.

You guys do know that terrorists are still human beings and not boogie men that materialize out of darkness to eat you. Arresting radicalized people and sending them to torture camps is not a solution. If anything it will entrench these people in their beliefs that the West is evil.

[QUOTE=Knurr;51855703]A radicalized person can't be healed from toxic opinions and dangerous views. He should have never left Guantanamo Bay. Alive.[/QUOTE] You realize that the people at Guantanamo aren't even allowed to stand trial, right? And that a huge number of them were arrested not by US forces, but by Afghan militias that were offered a bounty to bring in suspected Taliban? They'd just grab anyone who wouldn't be missed and turn them in to try and get rich. So that raises an interesting question. How do we know that Al-Britani was radicalized before his arrest? How do we know that being held without trial at Guantanamo and tortured by the US military may not have been the reason he was able to be recruited by ISIS?

[QUOTE=archangel125;51855748]You realize that the people at Guantanamo aren't even allowed to stand trial, right? And that a huge number of them were arrested not by US forces, but by Afghan militias that were offered a bounty to bring in suspected Taliban? They'd just grab anyone who wouldn't be missed and turn them in to try and get rich. So that raises an interesting question. How do we know that Al-Britani was radicalized before his arrest? How do we know that being held without trial at Guantanamo and tortured by the US military may not have been the reason he was able to be recruited by ISIS?[/QUOTE] Because then you're asking people to view terrorists as human beings and as this thread clearly demonstrates people would rather Guantanamo be run as a literal death camp instead of facing that reality.

we wouldnt be having this conversation if bush had setup a proper system to detain, trial, and sentence these people, instead we have a fucking extralegal military internment camp. everytime a conservative cheers for it, i just want to toss the constitution at them because we very well could have done it proper but we didnt and now its a god damn partisan issue instead of a moral one

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;51855077]The gold question: Was he in for the team before Guantanamo or he switched over after being detained there? The guys over at GCHQ must have the answer, surely.[/QUOTE] And they are equally certainly never going to be honest about the truth of the matter.

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51855388]So why did they release him? It is not like you can rehabilitate a terrorist.[/QUOTE] Because he wasn't charged.

[QUOTE=Sableye;51855798]we wouldnt be having this conversation if bush had setup a proper system to detain, trial, and sentence these people, instead we have a fucking extralegal military internment camp. everytime a conservative cheers for it, i just want to toss the constitution at them because we very well could have done it proper but we didnt and now its a god damn partisan issue instead of a moral one[/QUOTE] "We believe in the strength and integrity of our justice system so much that we don't trust it to convict and sentence all these people we're absolutely sure are evil nasty terrorists!"

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;51855167]"This certainly worked out pretty well last time." They actually have registration forms?[/QUOTE] Of course. It genuinely is an "Islamic[I][B] State[/B][/I]". When they were able to without so much pressure they very much enjoyed the attempt at legitimacy by state building efforts.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51855661]Where in article does it say all that? I found only this in wikipedia[/QUOTE] You're right, I made the mistake of interpreting him giving intelligence on the Taliban's inner-workings as meaning he was a member. Seeing as he ended up suicide-bombing for IS, it seems the US was correct in assuming his reasons for travel there were ill-intended.

[QUOTE=CarnolfMeatla;51855388]So why did they release him? It is not like you can rehabilitate a terrorist.[/QUOTE] People felt sorry for Gitmo detainees so they wanted all of them released despite the fact some of them really were terrorists.

[QUOTE=download;51856083]People felt sorry for Gitmo detainees so they wanted all of them released despite the fact some of them really were terrorists.[/QUOTE] we still could have sentenced him to life in prison and kept him there instead of having to keep him in a military detention center with no legal justification

[QUOTE=Sableye;51856271]we still could have sentenced him to life in prison and kept him there instead of having to keep him in a military detention center with no legal justification[/QUOTE] Realistically, if we sentenced him to life in prison, we'd be hearing all about how the US has no right to throw a non-American who has never been to America let alone committed an American crime in prison. We'd be hearing about how they deserve real justice, and should be remanded to the custody of the questionably effective UN. I totally understand why people are against extrajudicial detainment and rendition, but realistically I don't see a good solution.

[QUOTE=Knurr;51855703]A radicalized person can't be healed from toxic opinions and dangerous views. He should have never left Guantanamo Bay. Alive.[/QUOTE] Of course they can.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51855110]If you read the article, you would know. - Captured as a member of the Taliban in 2001 - Gave US interrogators tons of reliable intelligence - [b]Released from US custody in 2003[/b] - Joined the Islamic State in 2014[/QUOTE] Can't wait to see how long before people start claiming it's Obama's fault despite this.

Why didn't he just take the million quid and live the rest of his life peacefully. Why'd he have to go and detonate himself like a turd.

[QUOTE=loopoo;51856595]Why didn't he just take the million quid and live the rest of his life peacefully. Why'd he have to go and detonate himself like a turd.[/QUOTE] It appears the one greater motivator in the world today than money, is theology.

[QUOTE=download;51856083]People felt sorry for Gitmo detainees so they wanted all of them released despite the fact some of them really were terrorists.[/QUOTE] Not really. I felt sorry for how human rights and due process had been trodden on and thrown out the window, as did many others.

[QUOTE=Knurr;51855703]A radicalized person can't be healed from toxic opinions and dangerous views. He should have never left Guantanamo Bay. Alive.[/QUOTE] What even is this edge-tastic post? Does Dick Cheney post on FP? People can come back to reality after radicalizing, it does happen. You know what doesn't make that happen? Torturing people.