• Culling campaign: 700 stray dogs poisoned in Pakistan's Karachi
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[b]Culling campaign: 700 stray dogs poisoned in Pakistan's Karachi[/b] Via [url=http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/pakistan-karachi-stray-dogs-poison/1/732698.html]India Today[/url] _________________________ [quote][media]https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/761247362375233536[/media] Officials estimate that at least 700 dogs have been poisoned and killed after the number of stray dog attacks in Karachi went up. The dogs were culled using poison tablets hidden in chicken meat. Bodies of dead dogs were lying in various areas of the city and municipal workers gathered them for disposal. "At least 700 dogs have been killed only in two areas of Karachi's south in the last couple of days," said Sattar Javed, a spokesman for the municipal authority reported Reuters. This operation has been conducted in six city districts and officials have estimated that thousands of stray dogs have been killed. However, an official count was not declared. Animal rights activists in Pakistan have criticised the operation which is being considered necessary as last year Jinnah Hospital in Karachi treated 6,500 people bitten by dogs. The count has reached to 3,700 cases this year.[/quote] I'm under the impression that in places like India, where (apparently) people don't care about sterilizing animals, these sort of things will keep happening. It's a shame for the animals, yes, but looks like it had to be done.
I'm not sure what the activist's suggestion for a remedy would be. Would they rather a bunch of dogs continue to go hungry, get infections, and attack people instead of just being put to sleep because there's too damn many?
Should have turned them into dogfood. Or used them to feed poor people. Of course, that would require them to be rounded up instead of poisoned.
[QUOTE=download;50833044]Should have turned them into dogfood. Or used them to feed poor people. Of course, that would require them to be rounded up instead of poisoned.[/QUOTE] Chances are, they will be turned into fertilizer, so by proxy, they'll feed a lot of people.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;50833014]I'm not sure what the activist's suggestion for a remedy would be. Would they rather a bunch of dogs continue to go hungry, get infections, and attack people instead of just being put to sleep because there's too damn many?[/QUOTE] Most activists just complain instead of providing reasonable alternative solutions.
They mostly look like the same breed of dog so I assume they are just wild dogs breeding with no real control, this would only get worse without culling. They could be missing a trick here, they could sell organic dog meat to China.
[QUOTE=download;50833044]Should have turned them into dogfood. Or used them to feed poor people. Of course, that would require them to be rounded up instead of poisoned.[/QUOTE] Why the flying fuck would you turn disease ridden garbage dwelling animals into food for anyone ? It'd cause an even larger sanitary issue than keeping the stray dogs alive and roaming about.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;50833014]I'm not sure what the activist's suggestion for a remedy would be. Would they rather a bunch of dogs continue to go hungry, get infections, and attack people instead of just being put to sleep because there's too damn many?[/QUOTE] For a bunch of people who pride themselves in defending the rights of animals, they sure are professional slacktivists. Instead of being actually useful and helping each other picking up dogs, vaccinating them, sterilizing them and finding them a home to live in -- or keeping them all while racking up tons of debts between dog food and vet expenses, they choose to whine to the government who *actually* did something about it. Easier to complain about 700 dead dogs, and ignore the 6500 people attacked and bitten by packs of feral dogs last year. They way I see it, they're slacktivists who never cared about the rapidly increasing stray dog population (and its consequences) from the start.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50833093]It isnt the job of activists to come up with solutions. That is what the govt is for. Activists are doing enough of a job and fulfilling their purpose when they point to wrongs being done by the government.[/QUOTE] Please tell me you're joking.
I can't take "activists shouldn't really [I]do[/I] anything but complain" seriously. I mean that goes against pretty much most historical examples of activism where people actually did things to initiate change.
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;50833130]I can't take "activists shouldn't really [I]do[/I] anything but complain" seriously. I mean that goes against pretty much most historical examples of activism where people actually did things to initiate change.[/QUOTE] Being an "activist" is much easier these days with an offhand comment you make potentially reaching a very large audience. The only way to get noticed historically was to do something worth noticing.
[t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpCbjAvUkAAxph8.jpg[/t] When you have to look at a pile of dead dogs on the way to school but also read about how slacktivists in the First World would've rather have them spayed/neutered and running around, still hungry and diseased, for years
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;50833093]It isnt the job of activists to come up with solutions. That is what the govt is for. Activists are doing enough of a job and fulfilling their purpose when they point to wrongs being done by the government.[/QUOTE] If your "activism" doesn't include promoting alternatives you're accomplishing exactly nothing. That's basically the definition of slacktivism; getting upset over something and then not lifting a finger to help fix the problem, instead expecting someone else to do it whilst taking pride in having "spread the word".
[QUOTE=latin_geek;50833168][t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpCbjAvUkAAxph8.jpg[/t] When you have to look at a pile of dead dogs on the way to school but also read about how slacktivists in the First World would've rather have them spayed/neutered and running around, still hungry and diseased, for years[/QUOTE] Yup, that's another issue. It's one thing to actively pick up stray dogs, vaccinating them and sterilizing them, but you still end up with a fuckton of healthy dogs that no one wants. And hoarding dogs is not beneficial for them in the long run either, that's no healthy way for a dog to live. Vaccinating and sterilizing them takes effect in the dog population 2-3 generations later, in this case, they needed an immediate solution. [editline]5th August 2016[/editline] It's like these activists always fail to see the whole picture.
Activists are generally people with very little else going on in their lives, latching onto a cause.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50833048]Chances are, they will be turned into fertilizer, so by proxy, they'll feed a lot of people.[/QUOTE] Yeah with poison inside dogs :weeb:
Having a dog makes me feel bad about this but it's something that needs to be done, same with culling feral cats in Australia.
[QUOTE=Araknid;50833254]Having a dog makes me feel bad about this but it's something that needs to be done, same with culling feral cats in Australia.[/QUOTE] I remember reading about that some time ago, I think it was posted here on SH at the time. Cats can be pretty damn destructive, if their population grows out of control.
Oh god those pictures
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50833264]I remember reading about that some time ago, I think it was posted here on SH at the time. Cats can be pretty damn destructive, if their population grows out of control.[/QUOTE] Estimations on the number of feral cats in Australia number anywhere between 5-23 million. Each cat is estimated to kill 5-30 native animals [b]a day[/b] (maybe more depending on what they eat) Think about how many native animals are killed a year. It's a bloody huuuuuuuuuuge problem here. [editline]5th August 2016[/editline] [quote]In a 2012 report, the AWC estimates that each feral cat kills between five and 30 animals a day. It says taking the lower figure in that range and multiplying it by a "conservative population estimate" of 15 million feral cats gives a minimum estimate of 75 million native animals killed daily by feral cats[/quote]
Whoa. Also, cat piss is widely loathed among people with nice gardens, because it's practically poisonous for plants. My grandma *hated* all her neighbor's cats, coming to her back yard and pissing on her plants. :/
[QUOTE=download;50833051]Most activists just complain instead of providing reasonable alternative solutions.[/QUOTE] Its very worth raising awareness of real issues even if you dont have a solution, however when its a vague moral problem like "oh dont kill the packs of feral stray dogs that are attacking people" and you arent offering to take care of them yourself, you really shouldnt be bothering.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;50833343]Its very worth raising awareness of real issues even if you dont have a solution, however when its a vague moral problem like "oh dont kill the packs of feral stray dogs that are attacking people" and you arent offering to take care of them yourself, you really shouldnt be bothering.[/QUOTE] IMHO I think that "raising awareness" is just another layer of cruelty, sorta like passing a potential responsibility on to another person, without doing anything about it. When a lot of people are actively "raising awareness", then no one is really doing anything of real value, and those dogs keep roaming the streets, hungry and living miserable lives. [editline]5th August 2016[/editline] You could say that it's a lot more humane to gather them all, and euthanize them somehow (in this case, poison was used - chances are, most of those dogs were quite violent and wouldn't be cooperative). Ending their misery.
Honestly, the better method for dealing with strays is to hunt them with guns. Most people have a problem with this, but it's a far safer method compared to just putting chicken meat with cyanide tablets around the streets. The main problem with this isn't even that it's not effective, it's too effective. You can end up killing someones actual pet which is just wandering around near their house or you'll end up killing various species of birds that were looking for a quick meal.
Yeah, great idea. Let's go hunting with guns in an urban environment, definitely no casualties to worry about.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50834385]Honestly, the better method for dealing with strays is to hunt them with guns. Most people have a problem with this, but it's a far safer method compared to just putting chicken meat with cyanide tablets around the streets. The main problem with this isn't even that it's not effective, it's too effective. You can end up killing someones actual pet which is just wandering around near their house or you'll end up killing various species of birds that were looking for a quick meal.[/QUOTE] Yaaa that wouldnt go over so well, higher powered air guns maybe.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50833456]IMHO I think that "raising awareness" is just another layer of cruelty, sorta like passing a potential responsibility on to another person, without doing anything about it. When a lot of people are actively "raising awareness", then no one is really doing anything of real value, and those dogs keep roaming the streets, hungry and living miserable lives. [editline]5th August 2016[/editline] You could say that it's a lot more humane to gather them all, and euthanize them somehow (in this case, poison was used - chances are, most of those dogs were quite violent and wouldn't be cooperative). Ending their misery.[/QUOTE] Well raising awareness helps increase the chances of someone with the resources or influence to do something about it being informed and taking action, so it's not without value at all.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50834548]Yaaa that wouldnt go over so well, higher powered air guns maybe.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;50834473]Yeah, great idea. Let's go hunting with guns in an urban environment, definitely no casualties to worry about.[/QUOTE] Air rifles are still guns guys. :v:
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50834385]Honestly, the better method for dealing with strays is to hunt them with guns. Most people have a problem with this, but it's a far safer method compared to just putting chicken meat with cyanide tablets around the streets. The main problem with this isn't even that it's not effective, it's too effective. You can end up killing someones actual pet which is just wandering around near their house or you'll end up killing various species of birds that were looking for a quick meal.[/QUOTE] im sure the city will suffer from lacking biodiversity if it loses some of the overabundant crow population
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50834385]Honestly, the better method for dealing with strays is to hunt them with guns. Most people have a problem with this, but it's a far safer method compared to just putting chicken meat with cyanide tablets around the streets. The main problem with this isn't even that it's not effective, it's too effective. You can end up killing someones actual pet which is just wandering around near their house or you'll end up killing various species of birds that were looking for a quick meal.[/QUOTE] Have to find enough peopel with no qualms with killing dogs or cats
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