• This is a rant i did about big youtubers claiming to support the small side
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[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K05yNqUF2rs[/media] im tired of this shit, i doubt anyone will care but im frustrated that's all
Any specific Youtubers that have done this? I know the channels that are truly interested in helping kickstart promising concepts will usually act instead of talk, finding talent and boosting the signal for them like the vlogbrothers did with Scishow, Healthcare Triage and Crash Course.
lol no there's a lot of people who genuinely give good support to smaller youtubers, i've talked to plenty of people at over 100k or even 200k (Like UkinoJoe, for example) who have given me lots of social media support and promotion simply because they're nice But you can't expect anybody to support people under a thousand or ten thousand or whatever subscribers, that's not a small youtuber, that's nothing. Make good content and advertise it, and you'll gain at least ten thousand subcribers in no time with nobody's help. i'm stuck at a little over 40k subscribers right now because i barely ever release anything because of how long my content takes to produce, so I can't keep a steady growth going. so I'm reworking my strategy to be able to fix that. And I'm working with a network that has given me some genuinely really good opportunities and exposure, and some actually good paid work for platforms outside of youtube. And that network contacted me personally because MowtenDoo, someone with almost 150k subscribers, told them about me and showed them my content I'm aware that the people I'm taking about aren't at super impressive subscriber counts but that's how it works. You work gradually upwards. If you have 1000-5000 subscribers, you might be able to work with someone who has 10 thousand. If you have 10-50 thousand subscribers you can work with people in the hundred thousand range. Then when you're at 100k and up you can start working with million subscriber+ people.
[QUOTE=Eric95;50198831]lol no there's a lot of people who genuinely give good support to smaller youtubers, i've talked to plenty of people at over 100k or even 200k (Like UkinoJoe, for example) who have given me lots of social media support and promotion simply because they're nice But you can't expect anybody to support people under a thousand or ten thousand or whatever subscribers, that's not a small youtuber, that's nothing. Make good content and advertise it, and you'll gain at least ten thousand subcribers in no time with nobody's help. i'm stuck at a little over 40k subscribers right now because i barely ever release anything because of how long my content takes to produce, so I can't keep a steady growth going. so I'm reworking my strategy to be able to fix that. And I'm working with a network that has given me some genuinely really good opportunities and exposure, and some actually good paid work for platforms outside of youtube. And that network contacted me personally because MowtenDoo, someone with almost 150k subscribers, told them about me and showed them my content[/QUOTE] Congrats? That's not his point, none of these people have been putting out all this 'what is wrong with youtube' until it started affecting them. These have been issues going on for about 4 years now and everyone's ignored until its come to a head now. Also you basically just said 'git gud' to get noticed and I can easily recite a long narrative of cultural history where people were noticed after they were long dead. Your point holds no meaning and comes off as shallow.
But people at the top do work thier asses off. It took them years to build the brand they have and now people want to be spoon feed subscribers without putting in the work.
[QUOTE=Swilly;50199184]Also you basically just said 'git gud' to get noticed and [B]I can easily recite a long narrative of cultural history where people were noticed after they were long dead[/B]. Your point holds no meaning and comes off as shallow.[/QUOTE] So? That applies to the pre-internet era. If you can't gain a few thousand subscribers on your own then you're not putting the effort in. It's not luck, I've done it three times. Once with my old music channel when I was like 13 in 2008 that got like 6000 subscribers (which was actually a decent amount for the time, I was within the top ten swedish youtubers), then with a channel I ran with friends around 2010-2012 that has about 20k subscribers (which i abandoned because i don't feel like making the kind of content that audience likes) and then now with this channel which I haven't really been working hard on recently. I also have a channel which is just for putting bullshit for my friends on that I've never advertised anywhere, and that has over a thousand subscribers. The channels all have completely different kinds of content What I'm saying is that someone with under a thousand subscribers isn't who they refer to when they talk about "small YouTubers". Gain a few tens of thousands and you start getting that support. Even back with my old music channel that I ran when I was a kid I got support from David Choi who was huge at the time And of course the big YouTubers only complain when there's a big issue, they've succeeded despite the smaller problems in the past because they've figured out ways to do well despite them. Now YouTube is their career, it's how they make a living. So if there's a huge problem that puts that in danger then they're going to try to inform people about it. But if it's a problem they can work past then they will, because they care more about making good content that satisfies their audience, being someone who whines all the time isn't a good image
Are you Abroadin Japan's pox scarred cousin?
The thing is, in order to get big on Youtube, you have to do it under your own merit for a GOOD while. Especially if you're an unknown. Generally, you have to be creating regular content for a good few years before your subscriber count starts mounting into a larger number, and that's providing that your content is something that people actually want to watch. You can't get into the Youtube game, start creating a once a week video for like three months and then assume that you're owed subscribers by either the subscribers themselves or larger channels funneling them to you. That's not really how it works. When you start something like that, you have to be keenly aware that you should be doing it, not for profit - at first, anyway - but because you genuinely enjoy it. Because the payoff is long term. I can acknowledge larger channels that sometimes spout about helping out smaller channels and then not actually doing it. A good example of someone ACTUALLY helping is Game Grumps. They actively pay up and coming animators to do their GG Animated segments, which is great. But you can't assume that larger channels are going to take time out of their content creation to give you time in the spotlight if you have nothing to offer them. Larger channels are, for all intents and purposes, businesses. If you have nothing to offer, they can't offer anything to you. It's not impossible to network with them, but it's certainly uncommon. Youtube channels should be started just because you want to, not because your goal is to get however many subscribers or monetize as many videos as possible. There are plenty of channels that do that already and generally, they are pretty vapid and transparent in their desire for money. (I.E.: React Channel). You gotta start small. Unless you have an already established fan community from another avenue, you will not be acknowledge by larger channels "just because".
[QUOTE=Isaac96;50199261]But people at the top do work thier asses off. It took them years to build the brand they have and now people want to be spoon feed subscribers without putting in the work.[/QUOTE] nah, someone from around my area literally piggy backed off their friend who had around 70k, some people can breeze through this process. I was also mostly complaining about the feedback i get where people tell me x and y that are too unrealistic to do because my wage simply doesn't support it it took me a full month to save up enough coin to purchase my new camera [editline]26th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pascall;50199516]The thing is, in order to get big on Youtube, you have to do it under your own merit for a GOOD while. Especially if you're an unknown. Generally, you have to be creating regular content for a good few years before your subscriber count starts mounting into a larger number, and that's providing that your content is something that people actually want to watch. You can't get into the Youtube game, start creating a once a week video for like three months and then assume that you're owed subscribers by either the subscribers themselves or larger channels funneling them to you. That's not really how it works. When you start something like that, you have to be keenly aware that you should be doing it, not for profit - at first, anyway - but because you genuinely enjoy it. Because the payoff is long term. I can acknowledge larger channels that sometimes spout about helping out smaller channels and then not actually doing it. A good example of someone ACTUALLY helping is Game Grumps. They actively pay up and coming animators to do their GG Animated segments, which is great. But you can't assume that larger channels are going to take time out of their content creation to give you time in the spotlight if you have nothing to offer them. Larger channels are, for all intents and purposes, businesses. If you have nothing to offer, they can't offer anything to you. It's not impossible to network with them, but it's certainly uncommon. Youtube channels should be started just because you want to, not because your goal is to get however many subscribers or monetize as many videos as possible. There are plenty of channels that do that already and generally, they are pretty vapid and transparent in their desire for money. (I.E.: React Channel). You gotta start small. Unless you have an already established fan community from another avenue, you will not be acknowledge by larger channels "just because".[/QUOTE] context bc i feel i left this out, ive been on yt since 2006 and have been making content ever since, i have the right to say i sweat my arse out. I've gone through multiple channels and have done different shit but point still stands. You find the minor breakouts but nothing serious. It's the fact that people go "theres so much undiscovered talent" yet do nothing to highlight that undiscovered talent, it's literally pandering to their audience of many that they acknowledge their existence but will do nothing to cater for it
YouTube is all about steady growth, sometimes you make a video you think its pretty mediocre (or perhaps you did put a lot of love in it) and it booms up because it posted on Reddit or whatever, this was the case of the dude that puts random stuff in his hydraulic presser and now he is earning mad dosh all because he has a camera aimed at a hydraulic press. Bitching how you are not popular enough or how the big YT titans don't wish to help is just not their problem but yours. I got in contact with goddamn JonTron who is a pretty damn big Youtuber because he was looking for someone to play WoW with and i was on a skype chat with him and 4 others for over a period of a week, he eventually went like "Well how about you guys, anyone of you have a channel?" and some guy had this pretty small gaming channel and Jon just gave him a hour long tutorial on how to run a decent YT channel like it was nothing. So as far as Jon goes, he is extremely cool and he is definitely one of the bigger YT'ers who say who is supporting smaller channels but in the sea of 1000000 youtube channels all kinda sorta doing the same its hard to pick people out and support those.
You remind me of a rougher, Australian version of Chris from AbroadInJapan. [img]http://i.imgur.com/m41s43r.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Wolverunder;50201140]You remind me of a rougher, Australian version of Chris from AbroadInJapan. [img]http://i.imgur.com/m41s43r.png[/img][/QUOTE] Chris is australian? Strueth
[QUOTE=Scratch.;50201624]Chris is australian? Strueth[/QUOTE] Chris is british.
[QUOTE=Lord of Boxes;50201662]Chris is british.[/QUOTE] oh right that's a big oversight of a pretty straightforward post :v:
[QUOTE=Wolverunder;50201140]You remind me of a rougher, Australian version of Chris from AbroadInJapan. [img]http://i.imgur.com/m41s43r.png[/img][/QUOTE] My long lost British brother
Don't know this is getting so much hate. YouTube pretty much revolves around the top 1% while smaller channels continually get shafted. And I pretty much never see any of those channels come to the defense of smaller chanels they claim to support when shit hits the fan.
[QUOTE=Wolverunder;50201140]You remind me of a rougher, Australian version of Chris from AbroadInJapan. [img]http://i.imgur.com/m41s43r.png[/img][/QUOTE] yea, except abroadinjapan actually makes good content!
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50200493] context bc i feel i left this out, ive been on yt since 2006 and have been making content ever since, i have the right to say i sweat my arse out. I've gone through multiple channels and have done different shit but point still stands. You find the minor breakouts but nothing serious. It's the fact that people go "theres so much undiscovered talent" yet do nothing to highlight that undiscovered talent, it's literally pandering to their audience of many that they acknowledge their existence but will do nothing to cater for it[/QUOTE] Have you made an attempt at networking? Talked to people with experience? Got in contact with people who may be able to offer various services to you in exchange for favors? Without adequate effort to network and expand, nothing will come of it. And you can't really fault larger channels for your lack of expansion.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50200493]nah, someone from around my area literally piggy backed off their friend who had around 70k, some people can breeze through this process. I was also mostly complaining about the feedback i get where people tell me x and y that are too unrealistic to do because my wage simply doesn't support it it took me a full month to save up enough coin to purchase my new camera [editline]26th April 2016[/editline] context bc i feel i left this out, ive been on yt since 2006 and have been making content ever since, i have the right to say i sweat my arse out. I've gone through multiple channels and have done different shit but point still stands. You find the minor breakouts but nothing serious. It's the fact that people go "theres so much undiscovered talent" yet do nothing to highlight that undiscovered talent, it's literally pandering to their audience of many that they acknowledge their existence but will do nothing to cater for it[/QUOTE] There is a distinct possibility people simply don't like or care about your content.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50198207][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K05yNqUF2rs[/media] im tired of this shit, i doubt anyone will care but im frustrated that's all[/QUOTE] Sorry dude, I liked your previous videos (especially the one about Valve) but this is really shit. It's annoying hearing someone sulk and bitch when they could be actually making good videos. Continue talking shit about Valve, talking about political/controversial shit in Australia, or about how pranksters are the biggest cunts. Fame will come. Just think about the next good video you'll make. Peace.
[QUOTE=space1;50202502]yea, except abroadinjapan actually makes good content![/QUOTE] this is pretty rude tbh [editline]26th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pascall;50202577]Have you made an attempt at networking? Talked to people with experience? Got in contact with people who may be able to offer various services to you in exchange for favors? Without adequate effort to network and expand, nothing will come of it. And you can't really fault larger channels for your lack of expansion.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I made friends with relatively big youtubers back in the day when i was young, its kinda hard communicating to people nowadays that are "big", even through twitter. But i do participate in shit to get my name out (/v/ga's for example) im not blaming big youtubers at all im just saying this whole "we care about you" shit is cringe [editline]26th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=27X;50202853]There is a distinct possibility people simply don't like or care about your content.[/QUOTE] that's really not true, i put a lot of work into everything i do. I rush sometimes but other times i take care in producing my content
And none of that has anything to do with whether or not they are well received. At all. Two completely different things. The part whether people receive it or not is completely out of your hands.
just because you put effort into your videos that doesn't mean they're interesting or appealing, I looked through your stuff and honestly it's pretty obvious why you haven't taken off also gj ignoring my posts when i actually have a lot of experience with this
[QUOTE=Eric95;50204320]just because you put effort into your videos that doesn't mean they're interesting or appealing, I looked through your stuff and honestly it's pretty obvious why you haven't taken off also gj ignoring my posts when i actually have a lot of experience with this[/QUOTE] i really didnt know how to respond to your post, feel free to shoot me a dm on twitter or a pm here if you want to give me the lo-down of your views, id like to read them - truly
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;50203377] Yeah, I made friends with relatively big youtubers back in the day when i was young, its kinda hard communicating to people nowadays that are "big", even through twitter. But i do participate in shit to get my name out (/v/ga's for example) im not blaming big youtubers at all im just saying this whole "we care about you" shit is cringe [/QUOTE] Like someone said above, small YouTube isn't someone with less than a good thousand subscribers. But a channel can legitimately care about smaller channels and not have the time nor avenue to help "showcase" them. I'm sure larger channels have subscribed counts in the hundreds of thousands and sometimes even millions. How on Earth do you expect them to go through ALL those people just to see who might be a decent fit for a 5-10 second segment on their channel which would essentially be an advertisement? That's a phenomenal amount of work. If a small YouTube channel wants to be showcased by a larger channel, they need to take the steps towards being able to offer a larger channel something in return. Otherwise you're asking for a free promotion which does not benefit the larger channel in any way, shape, or form, and unless you're a personal friend, usually larger channels have no interest in making a deal with no benefit for them.
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