Britain should threaten ‘weak’ and ‘subservient’ Ireland to get its way on Brexit, Ukip says - Polidicks

[URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-ukip-ireland-weak-subservient-northern-ireland-border-gerard-batten-leo-varadkar-a8077676.html"]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-ukip-ireland-weak-subservient-northern-ireland-border-gerard-batten-leo-varadkar-a8077676.html[/URL] [QUOTE]Britain should threaten the “weak” Republic of Ireland with new border controls in order to get its way over Brexit, Ukip has said. Gerard Batten, the party Brexit spokesperson, said Ireland was “a tiny country that relies on UK for its existence” and that it amounted to “the weakest kid in the playground sucking up to the EU bullies”. The MEP said the UK had been “threatened” by the Republic over the issue of the Irish border after Brexit and that Britain should “respond in like manner”. “We should advise, we are free to revoke common travel area,” he said, adding that the Republic was “nothing but a subservient client state to the EU”. Irish prime minister Leo Varadkar said earlier this month that Ireland needed “written” assurances from the UK that there would be no return to a hard border between the north and the Republic after Brexit – a position both sides have said they support. The Taoiseach hinted that if no such written promise was made Ireland would not deem sufficient progress to have been made in negotiations to move to trade talks at the upcoming December European Council summit. If “sufficient progress”, as defined by the EU, is not agreed in December, the next opportunity to start trade and transition talks will be in March – throwing the Brexit talks timetable into even more disarray and dramatically increasing the likelihood of a ‘no deal’. After an outcry on social media Mr Batten doubled down and said it was “amazing how upset some people have got because I have suggested Ireland threatening to derail [a] Brexit agreement could invoke a response”. Ireland is currently part of the Common Travel Area with the United Kingdom, which has existed since 1923 and means travellers do not require a passport to travel between the UK, Ireland, Isle of Man and channel islands. Both are also currently members of the EU customs union, meaning goods moved between the two countries do not need customs checks – but Theresa May has committed the UK to leaving it as part of her plans for a hard Brexit. The EU, Ireland, and UK are wrestling with how to avoid a hard border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland – as required by the Good Friday agreement – while also ensuring the EU still has an external customs border. The European Parliament and European Commission have suggested customs checks could be moved to ports on the Irish Sea, effectively keeping NI in the customs union and putting a customs between two parts of the United Kingdom. The DUP, on which the Government relies on to have a majority in the House of Commons, has however ruled out any such plan, as has David Davis the Brexit Secretary. [/QUOTE] Here's the best fucking bit: [QUOTE]In a statement sent to The Independent after the initial publication of this article, Ukip head of delegation Ray Finch MEP said the party’s Brexit spokesperson did not speak for the party on the issue. “Mr Batten’s late night tweets do not reflect UKIP policy or sentiment,” he said. “We wish to maintain free trade and free movement between the North and South of Ireland, full stop.”[/QUOTE] Maybe he should realise we're sucking up to no one, and we're being strong and independent by standing up to a bully - the British government.

Remember, it's the EU that are being the uncooperative bullies here!

Up the IRA [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Supporting terrorism" - Hezzy))[/highlight]

Get fucked UKIP Dissolve into dust with the worms you belong with

um [quote]the party’s Brexit spokesperson did not speak for the party on the issue[/quote] so the spokesperson for the party for the issue at hand.. is not the spokesperson of the party? what

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;52926947]um so the spokesperson for the party for the issue at hand.. is not the spokesperson of the party? what[/QUOTE] "UKIP Brexit spokesperson does not speak for UKIP on the issue of Brexit says UKIP"

[QUOTE=Pie_Tony;52926968]"UKIP Brexit spokesperson does not speak for UKIP on the issue of Brexit says UKIP"[/QUOTE] I have a feeling someone is going to be sacked soon enough.

Man it's as if a country that know's that it is in a powerful Union is in a better position than a "muh sovereignity" country...

Isn't this whole mess ukip's fault, anyway?

I feel really really bad for all "remain" voters :(

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52926867]Up the IRA[/QUOTE] Yeah, let's not.

Challenge: Name the current leader of UKIP without looking it up. I can't. UKIP is dead

If the trade talks don't start next month we're royally fucked fellas. That'll be over a year to getting to even that point and then less than a year to sort out trade between 30 countries. It'll be a complete shit show.

Ireland and Scotland should make a deal with the EU and peace the fuck out

Nothing says "sovereignty" and "freedom from the liberal elite" like bullying countries that we've only just managed to get on good terms with. Mmmm can you smell the PATRIOTISM lads? It's nothing but bendy bananas and 1500W vacuum cleaners from here on out boys. Are leave supporters purposefully trying to make themselves look absolutely fucking braindead at this point? I mean, I know most of them are. Particularly those who also think UKIP is anything more than a waste of goverment record space. But this is some next level shit. If the Maybot had any semblance of fucking sense she'd have called this whole process off by now because we sure as shit went in there with no plans other than "stomp feet and make huffing noises until we get everything".

This is a pussy tactic anyway. For the best results, Article 50 should have triggered a 2-year countdown to the detonation of a number of nuclear warheads placed by MI6 in secret locations around Europe, with the locations and disarm codes to be revealed only in the event of a successful trade deal being agreed

you'd thin they would have learned bullying the irish doesn't buy you anything if you're britain...

[QUOTE=Zombinie;52926867]Up the IRA[/QUOTE] Fuck Off. No Really, Fuck Off. Do you think murdering civilians is noble? Murdering off-duty soldiers is noble? Murdering those of the country you are trying to "liberate" is courageous? If you think the IRA are good you need to get a reality check. [editline]28th November 2017[/editline] They are a terrorist organisation, plain and simple. [QUOTE]1981, 10 October: The IRA detonated a bomb outside Chelsea Barracks, London, killing two and injuring 39. 1981, 26 October: The IRA bombed a Wimpy Bar on Oxford Street, killing Kenneth Howorth, the Metropolitan Police explosives officer attempting to defuse it. 1982, 20 July: Hyde Park and Regent's Park bombings: IRA bombs exploded during British military ceremonies in Hyde Park and Regent's Park, London, killing eleven soldiers of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets. 1983, 17 December: Harrods bombing: An IRA car bomb exploded outside Harrods department store in London, following a telephoned warning. Five people were killed, including three police officers, and the sixth victim - another police officer - died in hospital from his injuries a week later. 90 other people were injured but survived. 1984, 12 October: Brighton hotel bombing: In an attempt to assassinate Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, the IRA detonated a bomb in the Grand Brighton Hotel during the Conservative Party conference. It killed five Conservative Party members, including MP Anthony Berry. 1989, 22 September: Deal barracks bombing: Eleven Royal Marines bandsmen were killed and 22 injured when an IRA bomb exploded at the Royal Marines base in Deal, Kent. 1990, 16 May: The IRA detonated a bomb underneath a minibus, killing Sgt Charles Chapman (The Queen's Regiment) and injuring another soldier. 1990, 1 June: A British soldier was killed and two wounded in an IRA gun attack at Lichfield City railway station, Staffordshire. 1990, 20 July: The IRA detonated a bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing damage to the building. Nobody was injured in the blast. 1990, 30 July: Ian Gow, ConservativeMP, was assassinated by the IRA when a booby trap bomb exploded under his car outside his home in East Sussex. 1991, 7 February: The IRA carried out a mortar attack of 10 Downing Street, in an attempt to assassinate Prime Minister John Major and his cabinet. One of the shells exploded in the back garden of 10 Downing Street but there were no deaths. 1991, 18 February: An IRA bomb exploded at Victoria Station. One man killed and 38 people injured. 1991, 15 November: An IRA bomb exploded in St Albans city centre. Two fatalities, both members of the provisional IRA (Patricia Black and Frankie Ryan), were the only casualties. 1992, 28 February: An IRA bomb exploded at London Bridge station, injuring 29 people. 1992, 10 April: Baltic Exchange bombing: A large IRA truck bomb exploded outside the Baltic Exchange building in the City of London, following a telephoned warning. It killed three people and caused £800 million worth of damage – more than the total damaged caused by the 10,000 explosions that had occurred during the Troubles in Northern Ireland up to that point. 1992, 7 June: Wanted IRA member Paul Magee opened fire on unarmed police officers Constable Sandy Kelly and Special Constable Glenn Goodman during a routine traffic stop in North Yorkshire. Kelly escaped injury when a single bullet ricocheted off his radio, but Goodman was hit four times, and later died in hospital. 1992, 25 August: The IRA planted three firebombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle, the latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical artifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded. 1992, 16 November: IRA planted a bomb at the Canary Wharf, but was spotted by security guards. The bomb failed to detonate. 1992, 3 December: The IRA detonated two car bombs in central Manchester, injuring 65 people. 1993, 24 April: Bishopsgate bombing: The IRA detonated a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate. Police had received a telephoned warning but were still evacuating the area at the time of the explosion. A journalist was killed, over 40 people were injured, and £350 million worth of damage was caused. 1994, March: Heathrow mortar attacks: The IRA launched a series of mortar attacks on Heathrow Airport near London. The attacks caused severe disruption but little damage. 1994, 13 August: 2.5 lbs of Semtex packed into a bicycle left outside Woolworths in Bognor Regis, exploded damaging 15 shops. A similar bomb found in nearby Brighton. 1996, 9 February: London Docklands bombing: The IRA detonated a powerful truck bomb in the Canary Wharf financial district of London, following telephoned warnings. The blast caused severe damage and killed two people. 1996, 18 February: An improvised high explosive device detonated prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA member transporting the device and injuring eight others. 1996, 15 June: Manchester bombing: The IRA detonated a powerful truck bomb in central Manchester, following a telephoned warning. It was the biggest bomb detonated in Britain since the Second World War. It caused widespread damage and injured over 200 people, but there were no deaths. 2000, 20 September: The Real IRA fired an RPG-22 rocket launcher at the MI6 headquarters in London. 2001, 4 March: The Real IRA detonated a car bomb outside the BBC Television Centre in London, damaging the front of the building and injuring one person. 2001, 3 August: The Real IRA detonated a car bomb in Ealing, London, damaging buildings and injuring seven people. 2001, 11 September: While not in the UK, the September 11 attacks in the US killed 67 Britons and 16 others with close UK ties, more than any other terrorist attack, with a total of nearly 3,000 people dying. 2001, 4 November: Real IRA car bomb in Birmingham.[/QUOTE] That's just '81-2001. And only those that have been confirmed to be IRA, there are several others that are up in the air. [QUOTE] 1971, 31 October: A bomb exploded in the Post Office Tower in London causing extensive damage but no injuries. The "Kilburn Battalion" of the IRA claimed responsibility for the explosion. 1972, 22 February: Aldershot bombing: The Official Irish Republican Army ('Official' IRA) detonated a car bomb at Aldershot British Army base, Hampshire. The blast killed seven civilian staff. 1973, 8 March: The Provisional Irish Republican Army ('Provisional' IRA) planted four car bombs in London. Two of the bombs exploded outside the Old Bailey and the Ministry of Agriculture, injuring dozens. The bombs outside New Scotland Yard and an army recruitment office near Whitehall were defused. 1973, 10 September: The Provisional IRA set off bombs at London's King's Cross and Euston stations, injuring 21 people. 1974, 4 February: M62 coach bombing: An IRA bomb exploded aboard a bus carrying British soldiers and several of their family members in Yorkshire, killing nine soldiers and three civilians. 1974, 17 June: An IRA bomb exploded at the Houses of Parliament, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people. 1974, 5 October: Guildford pub bombings: IRA bombs exploded in two pubs frequented by British military personnel in Guildford, Surrey. Four soldiers and a civilian were killed and 44 injured. 1974, 22 October: An IRA bomb exploded in Brooks's gentleman's club in London, injuring three people. 1974, 7 November: An IRA bomb exploded in a pub frequented by British military personnel in Woolwich, London, killing a soldier and a civilian. 1974, 14 November: James Patrick McDade, Lieutenant in the Birmingham Battalion, of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) was killed in a premature explosion whilst planting a bomb at the Coventry telephone exchange in 1974. 1974, 21 November: Birmingham pub bombings: IRA bombs exploded in two pubs in Birmingham, killing 21 people and injuring 182. 1974, 18 December: Bomb planted by IRA in the run up to Christmas in one of Bristol's most popular shopping districts explodes injuring 17 people. 1975, 27 August: An IRA bomb explodes in a pub frequented by British military personnel in Caterham, Surrey, injuring 33. 1975, 5 September: An IRA bomb exploded in the lobby of the Hilton Hotel, London, killing two people and injuring 63. 1975, 18 November: IRA members threw a bomb into Walton's restaurant in London, killing two people and injuring 23. 1975, 27 November: IRA gunmen assassinated political activist and television personality Ross McWhirter in Enfield Town, London. 1975, 6–12 December: Balcombe Street siege: Four IRA members, who were fleeing from the police, barricaded themselves inside a flat in London and held the two occupants hostage. The siege lasted for six days and ended when the IRA members surrendered and released the hostages. 1975, 20 December: The Ulster Defence Association (UDA) bombed Biddy Mulligan's pub in the Kilburn area of London. Five people were injured. It said it bombed the pub because it was frequented by Irish republican sympathizers. 1978, 17 December: IRA bombs explode in Manchester, Liverpool, Coventry, Bristol and Southampton, injuring seven in Bristol. 1979, 30 March: Airey Neave killed when a bomb exploded under his car as he drove out of the Palace of Westminster car park. The Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) claimed responsibility. [/QUOTE] This is the 70s Alone. [B]Might I also point out that this is Mainland UK Only. This doesn't include murders and attacks in Northern Ireland.[/B] Our Lads lost 705 Men, the RUC lost 301, the RAF and RN 6 and 6 Territorials. The Irish Army also lost men to the IRA, a total of 11 men. Just look at the casualties: [QUOTE] Civilians killed: 1,841 (or 1,935 inc. ex-combatants) Total dead: 3,532 Total injured: 47,500[/QUOTE] If you support the IRA you deserve no respect, plain and simple. They are murderers and thugs, no other way about it. [QUOTE][video]https://youtu.be/gGTbAa-7GTM?t=3m51s[/video][/QUOTE] Here you go, this speech sums up my point pretty well.

I was assuming they were joking, but the IRA were bastards yeah, along with the UDF and other unionist extremists and along with quite a number of British soldiers there. There were awful individuals everywhere, and the IRA didn't come from nothing. One can only hope with the incoming resignation of Gerry Adams along with other people who were involved in the conflict of NI that politics there can take another step forward.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52929101]I was assuming they were joking, but the IRA were bastards yeah, along with the UDF and other unionist extremists and along with quite a number of British soldiers there. There were awful individuals everywhere, and the IRA didn't come from nothing. One can only hope with the incoming resignation of Gerry Adams along with other people who were involved in the conflict of NI that politics there can take another step forward.[/QUOTE] I honestly don't give a shit if they were joking, it's like me saying "Up With ISIS" (Let me be clear, I am in no way saying this), men died for no good reason, civilians died for no good reason. And agreed the IRA and UVF are both complete and utter bastards to the core, but even with some of the incidents with British Soldiers, that does not justify praising the IRA, the vast vast majority of soldiers there conducted themselves well. In regards to the IRA didn't come from nothing comment, neither did the UVF, and neither were the British Army sent there for nothing.

yo my dad almost got murdered by the IRA as a bunch of folk thought he was an off-duty officer. That's ignoring the folk they did actually murder. fuck the IRA, let's not hear them brought up again.

Let's never forget that UKIP is the party of degenerates on the extreme right, the UK's equivalent of Trump and the so-called 'Alt right'. And lest we forget, there'll always be members of the party like Batten who just can't keep their mouths shut.

I'll make it clear I wasn't praising them but my personal belief is that there were no good sides in the Northern Irish conflict except those who worked peacefully. The British government bottled it fairly early when it came to the Falls road, and I don't think the crimes of the UVF and UDA are talked about enough. [QUOTE=Redcoat893;52929111]In regards to the IRA didn't come from nothing comment, neither did the UVF, and neither were the British Army sent there for nothing.[/QUOTE] Here's the problem: while the British Army at the start did defend Catholics, they quickly lost respect after incidents on the Falls Road and Bloody Sunday. That, and the fact that Sunningdale failed due to extreme Loyalists shutting down the State. And the UVF helped defend what was essentially a sectarian state. I guess my point is that while the violence of the IRA was entirely wrong, especially with who they targetted, it seemed almost inevitable; the Civil Rights marches hadn't worked and the British government reaction to the Troubles lead to little change and further persecution of the Catholic minority. That all lead to the IRA getting stronger. I never want to see those cunts back, nor the UVF, or UDA. But we have to learn from history. [editline]28th November 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Instant Mix;52929112]yo my dad almost got murdered by the IRA as a bunch of folk thought he was an off-duty officer. That's ignoring the folk they did actually murder. fuck the IRA, let's not hear them brought up again.[/QUOTE] Christ what the fuck. What decade did that happen, if you don't mind me asking?

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52929291]I'll make it clear I wasn't praising them but my personal belief is that there were no good sides in the Northern Irish conflict except those who worked peacefully. The British government bottled it fairly early when it came to the Falls road, and I don't think the crimes of the UVF and UDA are talked about enough. Here's the problem: while the British Army at the start did defend Catholics, they quickly lost respect after incidents on the Falls Road and Bloody Sunday. That, and the fact that Sunningdale failed due to extreme Loyalists shutting down the State. And the UVF helped defend what was essentially a sectarian state. I guess my point is that while the violence of the IRA was entirely wrong, especially with who they targetted, it seemed almost inevitable; the Civil Rights marches hadn't worked and the British government reaction to the Troubles lead to little change and further persecution of the Catholic minority. That all lead to the IRA getting stronger. I never want to see those cunts back, nor the UVF, or UDA. But we have to learn from history. [editline]28th November 2017[/editline] Christ what the fuck. What decade did that happen, if you don't mind me asking?[/QUOTE] don't know for definite but think 70s/80s, was over there on a business trip to sell something. his potential buyer guy and taxi driver got in a huge argument as the taxi driver thought he was a soldier and was already driving in the direction of the place they "dealt with soldiers"

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;52929461]don't know for definite but think 70s/80s, was over there on a business trip to sell something. his potential buyer guy and taxi driver got in a huge argument as the taxi driver thought he was a soldier and was already driving in the direction of the place they "dealt with soldiers"[/QUOTE] That's fucking terrifying. It's hard to believe that was only thirty years ago, christ.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52929546]That's fucking terrifying. It's hard to believe that was only thirty years ago, christ.[/QUOTE] I'm aware we're on the verge of going off topic, but when he was telling me this it reminded me of how little I knew about The Troubles, and how none of it was ever taught or mentioned in school. It's still so recent that nobody can agree on what was correct or what version to teach. I'm in my early 20s, I can wager that there's going to be plenty of people and even those younger than me who will be voicing their opinion or voting for things with as much ignorance to the NI situation as I have.

[QUOTE=Instant Mix;52931903]I'm aware we're on the verge of going off topic, but when he was telling me this it reminded me of how little I knew about The Troubles, and how none of it was ever taught or mentioned in school. It's still so recent that nobody can agree on what was correct or what version to teach. I'm in my early 20s, I can wager that there's going to be plenty of people and even those younger than me who will be voicing their opinion or voting for things with as much ignorance to the NI situation as I have.[/QUOTE] Yes. I definitely have a biased view from the way I've been taught and have learned from it, despite how neutral a lot of sources were trying to be. It's a complex and difficult subject that won't be taught objectively for a long time. It's shitty that you weren't taught or mentioned it in school. I'm not sure where you're from (the removal of flagdogs is a really bad thing) but it seems a lot of people from Britain I've talked to both online and offline really don't understand what happened, why it happened or how it happened. That, and there seems to be a general lack of knowledge about Irish history. That's scary to me; we're your closest neighbours and have been politically and socially intertwined for hundreds of years, with many consequences. While I'm definitely no expert, I think we do get a good sense of a lot of British (particularly English) history over here from our general education, and especially if you elect to take Leaving Cert. History like I did.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52926819]Remember, it's the EU that are being the uncooperative bullies here![/QUOTE] yea, it's not like germany profits off of the misfortunes of the baltic states like greece or anything!

[QUOTE=space1;52933346]yea, it's not like germany profits off of the misfortunes of the baltic states like greece or anything![/QUOTE] It's hard to make a profit of someone who's dead broke mostly out of unforseen consequences or own ignorance.

[QUOTE=space1;52933346]yea, it's not like germany profits off of the misfortunes of the baltic states like greece or anything![/QUOTE] What an ill informed take