Famitracker MMX3 Doppler Stage - General

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6gEXijlWAY[/media] Here's some work I did taking the Super Nintendo version of Mega Man X3's Dr. Doppler stages 1 and 2 and remixing them for the NES. I used Noteworthy Composer to break a MIDI into sheet music and then copied the tune note for note into Famitracker, eliminating as few tracks as possible.

Taking another person's midi file and modifying it is kind of stealing. You're supposed to start from scratch and do it on your own.

[QUOTE=NINTENDUDECT;23241035]Taking another person's midi file and modifying it is kind of stealing. You're supposed to start from scratch and do it on your own.[/QUOTE] I can't steal a song from someone who doesn't own it in the first place. EDIT: Okay, to be more specific, I got the file from vgmusic.com where it and thousands of other videos are freely available for reasons like this, so I haven't "stolen" anything.

This is the equivalent of me converting a video to another format and posting it here.

[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;23242451]This is the equivalent of me converting a video to another format and posting it here.[/QUOTE] Really now? If you say it's that easy, I hereby challenge you to take any song you can find for the SNES or Genesis, and recreate it in Famitracker for the NES, in the same amount of time it would take me to convert an wmv to an avi. GO GO GO! No really. I mean it. Download Famitracker and try it for five minutes. If you can produce something of any tangible quality you might have grounds to make your statement. In the meantime, try to fathom the idea that this video took about 6 hours to produce, during which I took a MIDI with about ten channels and funneled it down to 5 (Two of which only make static noise,) and set the volume controls on each of the two main channels to produce the duration of each note and its fadeout, and recreated a song note for note even though I can't read music (I had to use noteworthy to change it to sheet music, then by highlighting each note it showed me which keys on the piano keyboard were used, which I approximated to a computer keyboard. I'm not the only one who does this either. There are several people on Youtube who dedicate their entire channel to nothing but Famitracker, like [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/BaiiIs8bit[/url] and [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/8BitDanooct1[/url]

Uh, bro... Those two that only make static are the drums... That's what you get for not doing it from scratch. I checked the midi, if you were wondering how I knew that.

[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;23243761]Really now? If you say it's that easy, I hereby challenge you to take any song you can find for the SNES or Genesis, and recreate it in Famitracker for the NES, in the same amount of time it would take me to convert an wmv to an avi. GO GO GO! No really. I mean it. Download Famitracker and try it for five minutes. If you can produce something of any tangible quality you might have grounds to make your statement. In the meantime, try to fathom the idea that this video took about 6 hours to produce, during which I took a MIDI with about ten channels and funneled it down to 5 (Two of which only make static noise,) and set the volume controls on each of the two main channels to produce the duration of each note and its fadeout, and recreated a song note for note even though I can't read music (I had to use noteworthy to change it to sheet music, then by highlighting each note it showed me which keys on the piano keyboard were used, which I approximated to a computer keyboard. I'm not the only one who does this either. There are several people on Youtube who dedicate their entire channel to nothing but Famitracker, like [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/BaiiIs8bit[/url] and [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/8BitDanooct1[/url][/QUOTE] I'm not saying it takes less time, I'm saying it takes the same amount of creativity. If you want a close analogy we can pretend I said "that's like me taking a picture and recreating it in photoshop using 2/3rds the colors that were used in the original". We could also pretend that I traced a detailed colored drawing and only allowed myself to match the details with line art instead of using color like the original. I mean sure, it took time and dedication and knowledge of the program, but I don't think it's something that really involved high levels of creativity or special skills. Obviously you have fun with it though, so by all means keep doing it. I'm actually fairly familiar with how trackers work, I screw around and make breaks in renoise regularly. If you want to challenge me to make something in a tracker I'd be more than happy to fire up renoise, lay down some rules on what I can and can't use, and duke it out with some original compositions (I'm not going to play the chiptune covers game though) If you haven't before, I'd definitely encourage you to pick up a more full featured tracker like renoise and write some of your own stuff :)

[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;23247023]I'm not saying it takes less time, I'm saying it takes the same amount of creativity. If you want a close analogy we can pretend I said "that's like me taking a picture and recreating it in photoshop using 2/3rds the colors that were used in the original". We could also pretend that I traced a detailed colored drawing and only allowed myself to match the details with line art instead of using color like the original. I mean sure, it took time and dedication and knowledge of the program, but I don't think it's something that really involved high levels of creativity or special skills. Obviously you have fun with it though, so by all means keep doing it. I'm actually fairly familiar with how trackers work, I screw around and make breaks in renoise regularly. If you want to challenge me to make something in a tracker I'd be more than happy to fire up renoise, lay down some rules on what I can and can't use, and duke it out with some original compositions (I'm not going to play the chiptune covers game though) If you haven't before, I'd definitely encourage you to pick up a more full featured tracker like renoise and write some of your own stuff :)[/QUOTE] Thanks for the clarification. I didn't mean to come off too angry earlier, I was just a little frustrated that the only replies I was getting were about the concept behind the music, rather than the music itself. For me, it felt like I created a photo mosaic of the Mona Lisa and then people were criticizing me for not creating something more original. I'll definitely keep trying and if I can create some fully-original music I'll post it here. Thanks for the encouragement.

Well you're not bad at all, but like everyone said, something you made from scratch would have warranted for more praising ;). Keep doing it though, you obviously know how the shit works.

[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;23254542]Thanks for the clarification. I didn't mean to come off too angry earlier, I was just a little frustrated that the only replies I was getting were about the concept behind the music, rather than the music itself. For me, it felt like I created a photo mosaic of the Mona Lisa and then people were criticizing me for not creating something more original. I'll definitely keep trying and if I can create some fully-original music I'll post it here. Thanks for the encouragement.[/QUOTE] For sure, i mean you obviously know your way around the software, and that's really the big hurdle to get over as long as you've got a bit of musical creativity in you the sky is the limit once you know how to work your tools well.