Oregon legislation passed to allow people to change their birth record
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[url]http://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-transgender-identify-document-bill-governor-kate-brown/[/url]
[QUOTE]The current process to change gender identity on government documents involves a court hearing and posting a notice in a public place. Supporters of the bill say the new process will be less intimidating. They say having accurate documents helps transgender people get a job, housing or access medical care.[/QUOTE]
This is nuts, I don't care what you think you are but you were born on a certain date either a male or a female and you were given a name by your parents. It should be intimidating to change this sort of thing, if you are that sure then you should be willing to go through the trouble. Next thing you know people are gonna want to change their birth date. :v:
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Accidentally linked similar story from a month ago, found the one I heard on the radio and updated. Title update would be appreciated mods :downs:
And why shouldn't people be allowed to change there name? Possibly even the gender they identify as?
Tons of people were given shitty names like "Rodney Cummins" and "Allah", if they want to change it that's OK.
So long as the old records exist Im' ok with that. Name and gender are far different from birth-date.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52212565]And why shouldn't people be allowed to change there name? Possibly even the gender they identify as?
Tons of people were given shitty names like "Rodney Cummins" and "Allah", if they want to change it that's OK.
So long as the old records exist Im' ok with that. Name and gender are far different from birth-date.[/QUOTE]
I mean, Dick Hannah is cool with his name, I don't get why Rodney Cummins can't deal with his.
I'm fine with people changing their driver's license and similar documentation info to w/e they want, but the birth record is a record of your birth, it shouldn't be something you can change whenever you want.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212595]I'm fine with people changing their driver's license and similar documentation info to w/e they want, but the birth record is a record of your birth, it shouldn't be something you can change whenever you want.[/QUOTE]
The world doesn't revolve around you. Sorry.
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[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52212603]The world doesn't revolve around you. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
I understand that, I was just stating my opinion. Just leave if you are gonna shit post, troll.
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[QUOTE]Proponents say nine in 10 transgender Oregonians do not have vital records that accurately reflect their names and genders, which can hamper their abilities to get health care, housing or a job. It's also seen as a way for Oregon to protect against discrimination as protections for transgender youth were recently revoked at the federal level.[/QUOTE]
Not really sure why you're so up in arms about this when this is the justification.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52212603]The world doesn't revolve around you. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
No clearly it revolves around the person that thinks changing their birth records changes who they are in the present.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212606]I understand that, I was just stating my opinion. Just leave if you are gonna shit post, troll.[/QUOTE]
The legislation was democratically passed into law. If you don't like it, then just get over it. It's law now.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52212615]If you change your name, then you should update your birth record, else it's not exactly referring to you anymore, now is it?[/QUOTE]
There is a lot of information on your birth certificate that can identify you as you other than your name and sex.
And that's just a foolish argument, your chromosomes don't determine your name.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52212622]The legislation was democratically passed into law. If you don't like it, then just get over it. It's law now.[/QUOTE]
We're allowed to explain why we disagree with it, you know.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52212622]The legislation was democratically passed into law. If you don't like it, then just get over it. It's law now.[/QUOTE]
i'm for this as much as you are but that's the same argument used by righties regarding 'trumps president now he won fair and square'
I really don't see a problem with this. I can't see myself ever wanting to change my record but it makes sense for trans people.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52212622]The legislation was democratically passed into law. If you don't like it, then just get over it. It's law now.[/QUOTE]
The double standard the left has is comical, god how long have you guys been pissing and moaning about Trump being democratically elected?
[QUOTE=portalcrazy;52212632]i'm for this as much as you are but that's the same argument used by righties regarding 'trumps president now he won fair and square'[/QUOTE]
So? I fail to see the relevance, what is the implied negative consequence of this whole thing?
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212643]The double standard the left has is comical, god how long have you guys been pissing and moaning about Trump being democratically elected?[/QUOTE]
Hey can we not make every thread about trump
please ignore my trump avatar
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52212622]The legislation was democratically passed into law. If you don't like it, then just get over it. It's law now.[/QUOTE]
I mean, lets be reasonable here, being gay was against the law, people didn't get over that and it got us somewhere great because of it
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212643]The double standard the left has is comical, god how long have you guys been pissing and moaning about Trump being democratically elected?[/QUOTE]
what ever happened to the fact that he lost the popular vote?
I'm not sure what Trump has to do with anything either way
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52212648]Hey can we not make every thread about trump
please ignore my trump avatar[/QUOTE]
I agree, no Trump from here on out I was just making a point. :v:
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52212644]So? I fail to see the relevance, what is the implied negative consequence of this whole thing?[/QUOTE]
there is none. it's just that you shouldn't be going 'just deal with it' as opposed to explaining why something's a good thing
While perhaps a little aggressively said:
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;52212603]The world doesn't revolve around you. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
He has a point. This affects nothing because only a fraction of the people who can will change their birth records - and if that's false, then something's horribly wrong.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212553]This is nuts, I don't care what you think you are but you were born on a certain date either a male or a female and you were given a name by your parents. It should be intimidating to change this sort of thing, if you are that sure then you should be willing to go through the trouble. Next thing you know people are gonna want to change their birth date. :v:[/QUOTE]
Had to read the bill myself because of the edginess of your wording and the incredibly weird logic of the last bit and the fact this non-issue is somehow an issue to you.
What this bill does:
- Prevents birth certificate changes from being publicized (prevents lynching and harassment, stuff that actually happens.)
- Allows people to change their sex after it has been [B]proven in court[/B] that they're actually going through the process of a sex change.
- Allows people to change any information on their birth certificate if it is proven that what is on their birth certificate is incorrect.
But clearly you didn't read the article or the bill because it actually does allow people to change their birthday if it is proved incorrect in a court.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52212665]While perhaps a little aggressively said:
He has a point. This affects nothing because only a fraction of the people who can will change their birth records - and if that's false, then something's horribly wrong.[/QUOTE]
The point I am trying to make is, this legislation was just making it easier. If a trans person is SO sure that they are trans and they want to change their birth record it should be a hassle to go through. It's something you don't want to regret later on.
[QUOTE=portalcrazy;52212656]there is none. it's just that you shouldn't be going 'just deal with it' as opposed to explaining why something's a good thing[/QUOTE]
A civil liberty is a good thing unless perhaps there's some down-side worth considering.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52212673]Had to read the bill myself because of the edginess of your wording and the incredibly weird logic of the last bit and the fact this non-issue is somehow an issue to you.
What this bill does:
- Prevents birth certificate changes from being publicized (prevents lynching and harassment, stuff that actually happens.)
- Allows people to change their sex after it has been [B]proven in court[/B] that they're actually going through the process of a sex change.
- Allows people to change any information on their birth certificate if it is proven that what is on their birth certificate is incorrect.
But clearly you didn't read the article or the bill because it actually does allow people to change their birthday if it is proved incorrect in a court.[/QUOTE]
Tbh I fully support this being private because in all honesty, if it isn't, that just allows people to be secretly fired or never hired purely on the basis of being transexual
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212677]The point I am trying to make is, this legislation was just making it easier. If a trans person is SO sure that they are trans and they want to change their birth record it should be a hassle to go through. It's something you don't want to regret later on.[/QUOTE]
But trans people's lives are hard enough as is, why make it harder
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212677]The point I am trying to make is, this legislation was just making it easier. If a trans person is SO sure that they are trans and they want to change their birth record it should be a hassle to go through. It's something you don't want to regret later on.[/QUOTE]
Still a non issue, because this doesn't happen except perhaps in a handful of cases at most, and I don't see what's stopping them from changing it back.
Let's say you went from male to female, and had the relevant documents changed reflecting that. Would the way doctors diagnose and treat you also reflect those documents?
Because if you got prostate cancer, how would doctors be able to know it was a possibility since your documents have you as a woman?
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212677]The point I am trying to make is, this legislation was just making it easier. If a trans person is SO sure that they are trans and they want to change their birth record it should be a hassle to go through. It's something you don't want to regret later on.[/QUOTE]
Ok now it's absolutely certain that you have literally no clue what you're talking about.
do you really think that after receiving hormones, sex assignment surgery, and going through the effort to change their name and gender they're going to go "I REGRET CHANGING MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE" later in life????
even then, that doesn't even make any fucking sense because they could actually change their birth certificate again if they wanted to
[QUOTE=nerdster409;52212692]Let's say you went from male to female, and had the relevant documents changed reflecting that. Would the way doctors diagnose and treat you also reflect those documents?
Because if you got prostate cancer, how would doctors be able to know it was a possibility since your documents have you as a woman?[/QUOTE]
Because you would tell the doctor that you've transitioned, considering it's a relevant medical fact.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52212677]The point I am trying to make is, this legislation was just making it easier. If a trans person is SO sure that they are trans and they want to change their birth record it should be a hassle to go through. It's something you don't want to regret later on.[/QUOTE]
A person spends a lot of time going through the hardest biological and physical changes of their entire lives and you want to slap on the difficulty of more paperwork for what purpose?
Seriously, for what purpose does it need to be a hassle?
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[QUOTE=nerdster409;52212692]Let's say you went from male to female, and had the relevant documents changed reflecting that. Would the way doctors diagnose and treat you also reflect those documents?
Because if you got prostate cancer, how would doctors be able to know it was a possibility since your documents have you as a woman?[/QUOTE]
Yeah they will surely have erased and hidden all info relating to the SRS.
Do you even listen to yourself?
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