Application to start Fracking approved in England - Polidicks

[QUOTE]An application to carry out fracking in England for the first time since a ban was lifted in 2012 has been approved. North Yorkshire County Council considered a bid by Third Energy to extract shale gas at a site near Kirby Misperton in Ryedale. Hundreds of protestors had attended a meeting in Northallerton to voice anger at the project, which was previously recommended for approval. Councillors on the council's planning committee voted 7-4 in favour. ... Rasik Valand, chief executive of Third Energy said the approval meant the firm now had "a huge responsibility". "We will have to deliver on our commitment, made to the committee and to the people of Ryedale, to undertake this operation safely and without impacting on the local environment," he said. Campaign group Frack Off said: "These plans could pave the way for thousands of fracking wells to spread across Yorkshire and many other parts of the country if not stopped. "Impacts, including pipelines, air pollution and waste disposal will spread far beyond the areas being drilled. "Third Energy's plans in Ryedale are the thin end of a very large wedge." No fracking has taken place in the UK since 2011, when tests on the Fylde coast were found to have been the probable cause of minor earthquakes in the area. ... Third Energy wants to frack for shale gas using an existing two-mile deep well - called KM8 - drilled in 2013 close to the North York Moors National Park. They could start by the end of the year. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-36356245"]Source[/URL]

What a surprise. If it must go through, hopefully it'll be well regulated to reduce contamination.

Nice the UK should expect lower fuel prices within a year and earthquakes shouldn't necessarily be a problem as long as the wastewater isn't pumped right back into the ground.

Oh no. Fracking is not the answer for England. I do hope it's regulated enough to not cause permanent damage to the environment.

[QUOTE=Stolons;50379641]Nice the UK should expect lower fuel prices within a year and earthquakes shouldn't necessarily be a problem as long as the wastewater isn't pumped right back into the ground.[/QUOTE] Fracking is probably one of the most expensive ways to extract natural gas, it's unlikely to reduce gas prices even further.

[QUOTE=Stolons;50379641]Nice the UK should expect lower fuel prices within a year and earthquakes shouldn't necessarily be a problem as long as the wastewater isn't pumped right back into the ground.[/QUOTE] I'm not really sure how a primarily natural gas well will have any impact on fuel prices, and 1 well is a drop in the bucket anyways. Earthquakes can also be caused by the local geology which might not be suitable for cracking, something that isn't exactly known right now. Hopefully England has stronger cracking liquid regulations than in the US where by some ungodly loophole, some operators can use benzene as a tracking fluid, benzene, the stuff that you aren't allowed to spill a drop in industrial applications

The only reason im against fracking is that its not a solution to the wider problem and just shifts the problem

[QUOTE=Stolons;50379641]Nice the UK should expect lower fuel prices within a year and earthquakes shouldn't necessarily be a problem as long as the wastewater isn't pumped right back into the ground.[/QUOTE] Good luck with that. We'll never see any of the savings. Also with oil price so low at the moment isn't this folly?

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50382117]Good luck with that. We'll never see any of the savings. Also with oil price so low at the moment isn't this folly?[/QUOTE] When in context of petrol prices, the price has been pretty unstable the past year or so, which fluctuations from about 120p down to 95p and now climcing back up at around 108p here in the north west

I thought the UK was building new nuclear reactors, dont need fracking.

this is bullshit, I've got loads of friends who have been really prominent in anti-fracking groups and seems like all their work was for nothing. Around Yorkshire and Derbyshire we have some of the most beautiful countrysides in the country and they're just going to fucking ruin portions of it. It's the same with that new high speed rail system, tearing down the country side for small shitty gains that will not affect most of us in the slightest.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50382152]I thought the UK was building new nuclear reactors, dont need fracking.[/QUOTE] nuclear doesnt produce gas unfortunately, and we need gas

[QUOTE=ratman;50382181]this is bullshit, I've got loads of friends who have been really prominent in anti-fracking groups and seems like all their work is for nothing. Around Yorkshire and Derbyshire we have some of the most beautiful countrysides in the country and they just going to fucking ruin portions of it. It's the same with that new high speed rail system, tearing down the country side for small shitty gains that will not affect most of us in the slightest.[/QUOTE] Except unlike many ideas, HS2 is a good thing since rail-links to Wales are atrocious and it would open up much of Wales to easier casual and commercial access. This fracking approval though is stupid, best case scenario is that they don't pollute the water table. Literally we will gain nothing from this since our fuel prices are high because of taxes not because of the cost of fuel itself. From production to pump it only costs about 17p a litre except we pay the petrol station's charge and a massive tax ontop of it. And yes it's true Britain needs gas, but the problem is we need too much because we have lots of gas powerplants, hence why we're building new nuclear reactors so we can stop buying leccy from the French and gas from the EU and stand on our own two feet.

There's a reason many countries are using so many gas powerplants though, they've very scalable which is a must when you're moving towards solar and wind energy. Right now fracking is a bit like rolling dice though, it could end up profitable but there's also many cases where companies pulled out because it turned out to be too costly. But when it is succesful it can mean cheaper gas, a boost to economy and becoming independent of gas originating from other countries. So saying fracking isn't interesting or that it isn't needed is a bit shortsighted.

[QUOTE=ratman;50382181]It's the same with that new high speed rail system, tearing down the country side for small shitty gains that will not affect most of us in the slightest.[/QUOTE] high speed rail is pretty much the future of intercity transport at the moment Britain is far behind other countries in that we don't have a HSR network, while countries like China are building them everywhere and reaping the rewards as a result

I'm probably too much of a hippy but I just can't stand to see national parks containing ancient woodlands being butchered for high speed trains or fracking facilities. To be honest I know very little of the benefits of having a HSR network, other than decreasing commute time.

[QUOTE=ratman;50382845]I'm probably too much of a hippy but I just can't stand to see national parks containing ancient woodlands being butchered for high speed trains or fracking facilities. To be honest I know very little of the benefits of having a HSR network, other than decreasing commute time.[/QUOTE] The main benefit is capacity. Lines are running at capacity, commuter trains get priority fright get lowest priority. It can take over a day for a fright train to get from London to Manchester. There is a potential solution by using the european signalling system where the rail sections move with the train rather than being fixed but the gains from that are arguably marginal; ultimately the benefit for HS2 would be felt by businesses moving things faster and at lower cost up and down the country. Guilded HS2 with +3 economy enchantment I do agree with you about fracking. Fracking is provenly polluting and damaging to the earth people live on. Fracking companies won't foot the bill for earthquake damage or house prices in those areas plummeting and the fines they'll face when they evenetably cause pollution will be minor. We as tax payers and buyers of instance will be the ones who pay for their profit. I doubt well even see fuel prices go down from this. Absolute Bs and I honestly hope environmental groups do something illegal about it. On top of all that shit the government isn't likely to work very hard to regulate these assholes.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50382290]nuclear doesnt produce gas unfortunately, and we need gas[/QUOTE] Do you? Do you really? or are you just using technology that requires Natural Gas? there's lots of solutions you don't need gas

[QUOTE=raz r23;50382914]Do you? Do you really? or are you just using technology that requires Natural Gas? there's lots of solutions you don't need gas[/QUOTE] We need gas for our homes, unless that's a different type of gas.

[QUOTE=raz r23;50382914]Do you? Do you really? or are you just using technology that requires Natural Gas? there's lots of solutions you don't need gas[/QUOTE] Heating, cooking, manufacturing, it burns "cleaner" than coal as much as you like it, we arent going to get rid of gas entirely and nuclear isnt a solution for everything. we wont stop using oil either, but for more important reasons

Fracking isn't feasible in the UK, there just isn't enough space compared to the USA and Russia. This will be devastating for the local residents.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;50383148]Heating, cooking, manufacturing, it burns "cleaner" than coal as much as you like it, we arent going to get rid of gas entirely and nuclear isnt a solution for everything. we wont stop using oil either, but for more important reasons[/QUOTE] Technically we could replace it all with electric alternatives with current tech, however it's not economically feasible as gas is much much cheaper than electric.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50382742]high speed rail is pretty much the future of intercity transport at the moment Britain is far behind other countries in that we don't have a HSR network, while countries like China are building them everywhere and reaping the rewards as a result[/QUOTE] Look on the bright side: you're not the United States. You'd think "public transit" was a dirty word by the way we handle our transportation infrastructure.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50382742]high speed rail is pretty much the future of intercity transport at the moment Britain is far behind other countries in that we don't have a HSR network, while countries like China are building them everywhere and reaping the rewards as a result[/QUOTE] It's hardly necessary in a country the size of England.

[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50384931]It's hardly necessary in a country the size of England.[/QUOTE] How come Japan is crisscrossed with them? I mean yeah we don't need as many, but it's silly to assume that the advantages of HSR aren't there. Connecting Birmingham to London would be an obvious benefit, as would be connecting London (via York) to Edinburgh. It would make rail travel a much more feasible option and it would reduce internal air traffic within Britain. Much of the railway network as it exists today, is basically Victorian and horribly outdated. Much of the rest of it was butchered during the beeching cuts and as a result our railway system is nowhere near as good as it should be. Pretty much everywhere else in Europe is either building or is planning to build HSR and integrating British rail infrastructure into the rest of Europe would be a major boost to the economy in the longer term. We're not just thinking about people in Britain, but people from Europe who travel here as well.

[QUOTE=Morgen;50384851]Technically we could replace it all with electric alternatives with current tech, however it's not economically feasible as gas is much much cheaper than electric.[/QUOTE] Nope, natural gas is used in things such as fertilisers and manh things that cant be replaced by electric.

Fair and valid points on the HSR, my mother will still probably tie herself to a tree to try and stop the construction of that thing though, she fucking hates it. As for the fracking, I think a lot of the local politicians in Yorkshire will feel the back lash of this decision next time the vote comes around, there is a lot of anger on social media around there. I just hope Derbyshire doesn't allow it to go ahead to.

[QUOTE=ratman;50382181]this is bullshit, I've got loads of friends who have been really prominent in anti-fracking groups and seems like all their work was for nothing.[/QUOTE] Are they rich? Do they own a few lobbyists? If not, that is where they failed. In order to make change stick, they need power and wealth. Protesting worked when people gave a damn. Now? Its just a noise to swat down and ignore.

Fracking is doing awful damage here in Australia Please learn from our mistakes

[QUOTE=Dayzofwinter;50388066]Are they rich? Do they own a few lobbyists? If not, that is where they failed. In order to make change stick, they need power and wealth. Protesting worked when people gave a damn. Now? Its just a noise to swat down and ignore.[/QUOTE] Nope they're not either of those. It's not just blind protesting though, they've made their voice heard through a number of outlets, they were on local news just the other day. They've held dozens of conferences and local meetings etc. And they're not alone, they are really voicing what the majority of people think around here. We are based in Derbyshire so perhaps the local government will listen us and not go the way of Yorkshire. So in that respect I hope you are wrong. However, I've got a awful feeling that you are probably right. Democracy is an illusion these days, we the people don't have our say in majority of decisions, it seems to all come day to money in the end.