[QUOTE]Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistani villagers protested Sunday in at least two locations against missile strikes that they believe come from unmanned U.S. aircraft, as at least 12 suspected militants were killed in three separate strikes.
In the city of Peshawar, several thousand people turned out to protest the drone strikes and changes to the country's blasphemy laws. The protest was organized by Jamat-e-Islami, a religious political party with national influence.
In Mir Ali, in North Waziristan, hundreds of protesters chanted, "Anyone who is a friend of the U.S. is a traitor," among other slogans against Washington and the Central Intelligence Agency.
The protest was organized by a group of local villagers who claim they are innocent victims of drone strikes.
Most of the local businesses were shut down due to the protest, which had support from students, businessmen and shopkeepers.
"If drone strikes are not stopped, we will take gun instead of pen against the U.S.," one student protester said.
Suspected U.S. drones carried out three strikes in northwest Pakistan Sunday, killing four suspected militants in one, two in another and six in a third, two Pakistani intelligence officials said.
In the first strike, suspected drones fired two missiles on the militants' vehicle in the Datta Khel area of North Waziristan, one of the seven districts in Pakistan's volatile tribal region bordering Afghanistan.
The militants in the second attack were riding on a motorcycle near Datta Khel when they were hit by a missile from the unmanned drone, officials said. In the third incident, a suspected drone fired two missiles at an alleged militant compound and vehicle near the village of Razmak in North Waziristan.
The officials asked not to be named because they are not authorized to speak to the media.
North Waziristan is widely believed to be a safe haven for al Qaeda-linked militant groups who attack U.S. and NATO forces across the border in Afghanistan.
Washington has pressed the Pakistani military to launch an offensive in North Waziristan, but it has refused, saying its troops are stretched thin with at least 10 other military operations elsewhere.
The Obama administration has stepped up drone strikes targeting Pakistan's tribal region with more than 100 attacks last year, mostly targeting North Waziristan.
The United States is the only country in the region known to have the ability to launch missiles from drones, which are controlled remotely.
U.S. officials normally do not comment on suspected drone strikes.
Human rights groups inside and outside Pakistan call U.S. drone strikes "targeted killings" outside a war zone, and say they break the rules of war and kill too many civilians.
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Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/01/23/pakistan.drone.strike/index.html?hpt=T2[/url]
Waging war on third world countries while we're in Armani suits.
12 'militants'
[QUOTE=IStanI;27622123]Waging war on third world countries while we're in Armani suits.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, "Bassnectar".
[QUOTE=TropicalV2;27622283]12 'militants'[/QUOTE]
What evidence do you have to suggest that they were not militants? Why would the Paki government want to kill 12 of their own citizens for no reason?
[QUOTE=Explosions;27622552]What evidence do you have to suggest that they were not militants? Why would the Paki government want to kill 12 of their own citizens for no reason?[/QUOTE]
You do know that it was the US that fired the attacks away from the battlefield? (Which is a violation of international law)
[QUOTE=Explosions;27622552]What evidence do you have to suggest that they were not militants? Why would the Paki government want to kill 12 of their own citizens for no reason?[/QUOTE]
what evidence do you have that they were militants? this logic works both ways, but it's silly. besides, the pakistani government isn't killing their own citizens, the united states is. civilians are killed in most drone strikes, they're just simply written off as militants. it's happened before, many many times.
if you're really looking for evidence:
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/19/AR2007061901898.html[/url]
[quote]Local residents said that they had seen a drone above the area immediately before the blast and that at least two missiles fired from the drone had destroyed a religious school and several adjacent houses, according to Rahimullah Yousefzai, a Peshawar-based journalist.
Yousefzai said that 24 coffins had been ordered from Miran Shah and that the death toll could rise. There might have been as many as 50 people in the school at the time of the blast, including children. [/quote]
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/01/pakistan-air-raid-taliban-militants[/url]
[quote]Anar Bacha, 32, who was wounded in the attacks, said the victims were innocent. "We were going to our home in a cab when all of a sudden planes appeared and began targeting us," he said. "We are innocent. We are Kokikhels. We are not terrorists."
In April, up to 50 members of the same tribe were killed in an air raid in Tirah after they were mistaken for the Taliban, prompting an apology from the Pakistani army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani.[/quote]
[url]http://www.channel4.com/news/pakistan-drone-strikes-the-cias-secret-war[/url]
[quote]He said: "In our research... in a number of instances there was no doubt that faulty 'intel' was to blame - hitting a pro-government peace committee member's house, for instance. In other cases, [b]though victims stated that militants were indeed killed in the strike, non-combatant civilians were hit collaterally. i.e. a militant car passing by a house that collapsed from the blast.[/b]"[/quote]
I hope that suffices.
What does "suspected militia" mean? Is it different with the army, where "suspected" means they know for sure? Or did they have a little bit of evidence and killed them anyway?
Were they just some civilians toting guns? Or were they the guys who were shooting at our guys earlier? What's the difference between a suspect and a confirmed target for the army? This is confusing.
[QUOTE=TropicalV2;27622909]what evidence do you have that they were militants? this logic works both ways, but it's silly. besides, the pakistani government isn't killing their own citizens, the united states is. civilians are killed in most drone strikes, they're just simply written off as militants. it's happened before, many many times.
if you're really looking for evidence:
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/19/AR2007061901898.html[/url]
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/01/pakistan-air-raid-taliban-militants[/url]
[url]http://www.channel4.com/news/pakistan-drone-strikes-the-cias-secret-war[/url]
I hope that suffices.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't doubt it after the shit WikiLeaks has already put up.
The government of Pakistan sends in coordinates for the U.S. drones to strike.
[QUOTE=Explosions;27623318]The government of Pakistan sends in coordinates for the U.S. drones to strike.[/QUOTE]
citations up in this bitch
[QUOTE=TropicalV2;27623358]citations up in this bitch[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/5101196/Pakistan-helps-US-drone-attacks.html]Wilkinson, Isambard, "Pakistan 'Helps US Drone Attacks'", The Daily Telegraph, April 4, 2009[/url]
[QUOTE=IStanI;27622752]You do know that it was the US that fired the attacks away from the battlefield? (Which is a violation of international law)[/QUOTE]
There are no battlefields in todays wars.
Because obviously they were civilians, despite the fact that Pakistan is facing a growing, powerful insurgency in some parts of the country. And obviously this is unwanted by everyone, despite the fact that the Pakistani government wants the US to aid them in the fight against the insurgency. Because a couple of "shock-horror" stories mean that the US tactics of targeting insurgents remotely are completely wrong and should never have begun. Because this entire thing isn't ridiculous.
Good 12 militiamen dead, let those dumb fucks protest.
[QUOTE=Explosions;27623929][URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/5101196/Pakistan-helps-US-drone-attacks.html"]Wilkinson, Isambard, "Pakistan 'Helps US Drone Attacks'", The Daily Telegraph, April 4, 2009[/URL][/QUOTE]
That has nothing to do with what you said. All Pakistan did was provide intelligence on Mehsu's movements so they can drone strike Pakistan accordingly, to say that they give America the [B]coordinates[/B] of the strikes is ludicrous and is just an attempt to relieve the U.S. of fault of any casualties.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;27632373]That has nothing to do with what you said. All Pakistan did was provide intelligence on Mehsu's movements so they can drone strike Pakistan accordingly, to say that they give America the [B]coordinates[/B] of the strikes is ludicrous and is just an attempt to relieve the U.S. of fault of any casualties.[/QUOTE]
OK, well I didn't really mean "coordinates". That was bad wording. They tell the U.S. things like "they are in this village" and we will attack there.
[QUOTE=Explosions;27632490]OK, well I didn't really mean "coordinates". That was bad wording. They tell the U.S. things like "they are in this village" and we will attack there.[/QUOTE]
The article didn't specify completely but from what I understand they inform the U.S. of the area he may be inhabiting in. They don't necessarily tell the United States where to directly launch a strike such as a village.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;27632546]The article didn't specify completely but from what I understand they inform the U.S. of the area he may be inhabiting in. They don't necessarily tell the United States where to directly launch a strike such as a village.[/QUOTE]
The fact of the matter is that the Pakistani Government is cool with it. Otherwise we wouldn't be doing it.
It's pretty obvious that Pakistani Intelligence is still working with the CIA on different matters than those mentioned in the article that Explosions posted.
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