Analysis Poll | Trump voters don’t have buyer’s remorse. But some Hillary Clinton voters do. - Polidicks

[quote]The Pew Research Center released a poll showing very little buyer's remorse among Trump voters. The poll showed just 7 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say Trump has performed worse than they expected him to. Fully 38 percent — five times as many — say he has performed better. A new Washington Post-ABC News poll confirms this — in spades. And, in fact, it shows more buyer's remorse for Trump's opponent in the 2016 election, Hillary Clinton. And were the 2016 election held again today, it shows Trump would avenge his popular-vote loss. [b]While just 4 percent of Trump's supporters say they would back someone else if there was a redo of the election, fully 15 percent of Clinton supporters say they would ditch her. Trump leads in a re-do of the 2016 election 43 percent to 40 percent after losing the popular vote 46-44. That 15 percent is split between those who say they would vote for Trump (2 percent), Gary Johnson (4 percent), Jill Stein (2 percent), and either other candidates or not vote (7 percent).[/b][/quote] [url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-trump-voters-don%E2%80%99t-have-buyer%E2%80%99s-remorse-but-some-hillary-clinton-voters-do/ar-BBAcLRH[/url] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/23/trump-voters-dont-have-buyers-remorse-but-some-hillary-clinton-voters-do/[/url] Link to study [url]http://www.langerresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/1186a1Trump100Days.pdf[/url]

[quote] While just 4 percent of Trump's supporters say they would back someone else if there was a redo of the election, fully 15 percent of Clinton supporters say they would ditch her.[/quote] I bet they all wish they primaried for bernie

well since he's gone back on almost everything he said he would do, they voted for him because it was him? not because of his election promises?

Not sure how that really works when he's actively going back on the vast majority of campaign promises I mean how do you not regret electing a person who lambasted Obama for taking a vacation, but in 3 months has spent more than Obama did in 4 years on vacations? I fully expect to never understand any of the mindset that drove this.

I know of at least one trump voter on this very forum that regretted his vote.

Everyone's realizing what a mess of a campaign Hillary pulled. Of course you'd want to ditch her, I'm putting Trump's victory squarely on her and her staff.

[QUOTE=Untouch;52141312]well since he's gone back on almost everything he said he would do, they voted for him because it was him? not because of his election promises?[/QUOTE] Literally cult of personality We even have those very people here. People totally absorbed beyond all critical thought in a cult of personality

also - this is a sort of biased polling model of course most hillary voters would vote for someone else if they ahd a time machine - they know now that hillary lost the election, so why would they support someone they know with 100% certainty would lose? i'd say even the most disappointed of trump voters would still support trump over hillary, because they know trump beat hillary

this just in: party refutes inevitable need for self-analysis, is content to not have won the popular vote once in the last twelve years. more at 11

In an alternative world where Clinton got elected the percentages would be swapped around.

Wait, are they talking about the primaries or the general election when they say 'buyer's remorse'? Why would you feel remorse for doing something that had no effect, if you voted for Hillary in the general election you didn't get the outcome you were asking for anyways, and things wouldn't have changed if you made a different choice. To feel regret is completely irrational... [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] [quote]It's not hugely surprising that the losing candidate in an election would see this kind of drop-off. People don't like voting for losers[/quote] Seems like a common psychological pattern regardless. [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] As for whether Trump supporters feel remorse or not, of course they don't. Like supporters of a local sports team their pride is partially interwoven with that of their candidate. It's not about policy, it's about his demeanor and the fervor of supporting the man who 'gets them'. It would take Trump's term turning into a dictatorship to turn most of them, because the fact of the matter is that they've tangled up their identity in their candidate. They were told they were stupid for voting for him, and that this is a huge mistake, that he'll never win, and then they won, and it made their brain squeeze out soooo much happy juice. Only relatively few actually give a fuck about the minutiae of policy, the kind who freaked out over the Syria strike and their ilk. The rest will rationalize everything he does because to go back on Trump would be to admit they've made a mistake, and doing that doesn't compute for a [I]lot[/I] of people.

They aint got buyers remorse. If anything they got brain damage. I mean this once again only perpetuates the cult of personality and has literally nothing to do with his policies.

All this really tells me is that republicans are brainwashed as hell

[QUOTE]And were the 2016 election held again today, it shows Trump would avenge his popular-vote loss[/QUOTE] This is a pretty dumb conclusion to reach based on this poll alone. Taking into consideration Trumps current approval rating I have to wonder at the authors intentions.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52141573]This is a pretty dumb conclusion to reach based on this poll alone. Taking into consideration Trumps current approval rating I have to wonder at the authors intentions.[/QUOTE] this is basically just "Let us manipulate the numbers so we can make it seem like it's even better for us than we've said"

It's surprising, and depressing to me, that so few people regret voting for Trump. It simply defies reason and goes far beyond [I]"they agree with stuff that is evil in my eyes"[/I], it's people continuing to support someone doing the exact things he accuses others of doing. But it's not surprising that a huge number of people regret ever supporting Clinton. [I]"Lost to Trump"[/I] isn't a great trait to have on you. And purely psychologically, of course you lose some faith when someone you believed in fails. And that's ignoring that Clinton wasn't exactly adored by all her voters in the first place.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52141578]this is basically just "Let us manipulate the numbers so we can make it seem like it's even better for us than we've said"[/QUOTE] Uhhh... MSN? Washington Post? You really think they would slant their numbers to support Trump? Could you honestly ever believe that? All they have ever done is the opposite. [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] Is it so hard to believe that people have other minds than your own? Is it so hard for you people to understand that Trump supporters see things differently than you? You alienate us and insult and degrade us for supporting "bad" things, but we don't see what he is doing as bad. But of course, you guys know everything and that's why we're wrong, right? What a hypocrisy, what's wrong with differing opinions? Just because my opinion is different than yours doesn't make it wrong. Just because you don't agree with what Trump is doing doesn't make him wrong. I believe the wall and cutting of federal money to sanctuary cities is a good thing. Just because you don't believe that to be true doesn't make me wrong, and I don't believe you are wrong for not agreeing with me.

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;52141609]It's surprising, and depressing to me, that so few people regret voting for Trump. It simply defies reason and goes far beyond [I]"they agree with stuff that is evil in my eyes"[/I], it's people continuing to support someone doing the exact things he accuses others of doing. But it's not surprising that a huge number of people regret ever supporting Clinton. [I]"Lost to Trump"[/I] isn't a great trait to have on you. And purely psychologically, of course you lose some faith when someone you believed in fails. And that's ignoring that Clinton wasn't exactly adored by all her voters in the first place.[/QUOTE] I imagine that if Hillary hadn't been the opposition, far more people would have regretted voting for Trump. When the election comes down to two extremely shitty choices I can see why people wouldn't regret their choice even if that person does a shitty job after getting elected. Meanwhile regretful Hillary supporters are probably wishing they voted for somebody else in the primaries so that this wouldn't have happened. Hillary lost completely and utterly through her own incompetence and most people can see that now.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52141994]Uhhh... MSN? Washington Post? You really think they would slant their numbers to support Trump? Could you honestly ever believe that? All they have ever done is the opposite.[/QUOTE] The entire scenario is patently ridiculous. The author is basically saying that Trump could have reversed his popular victory loss using data that was gained after he already lost the popular vote, due to people ditching the candidate [I]that they know already lost[/I]. I don't really care what the source is, but I'm only assuming they had some sort of intention behind misdirection this brazen because the only alternative is that they are [I]that stupid[/I] to think this actually proves the original claim. [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52141994]Is it so hard for you people to understand that Trump supporters see things differently than you?[/QUOTE] Nah, I can see the partisan differences clear as day. I think what I (and other people) have difficulty imagining is how people who ostensibly put a lot of value into the idea of "trustworthiness" can still support Trump when he has lied in the quality and quantity he has. Though again this exposes another problem with this poll in that there is no way to distinguish between people who disagree with a lot of what Trump does but still think he was a better choice than Clinton, and people who are 100% on board with whatever he does even if it wildly flies in the face of what they voted for in the first place. If you're rich, a business owner (for now), or in the military I can definitely see blindly defending Trump's policies because few of the negatives are even going to affect you. But 96% means that a ton of regular folks still support him and I have trouble imagining that many people appreciate being lied to the face on the scale that Trump does to his constituency.

So this indicates... what? Trump voters are idiots without the capacity for critical thought, while Hillary voters knew she was bad and simply chose her as a lesser evil? Don't forget, the majority of voting Americans still voted for Hillary Clinton.

[QUOTE=archangel125;52142217]So this indicates... what? Trump voters are idiots, while Hillary voters knew she was bad and simply chose her as a lesser evil? Don't forget, the majority of voting Americans still voted for Hillary Clinton.[/QUOTE] I don't have a problem with the data (we have known for a long time now that Trump has more zealous supporters while Clinton was the lesser evil pick), it's the conclusions that I have a beef with. Anyone trying to portray this as somehow Trump [I]really [/I]winning the popular vote is either incredibly dumb or is trying to fabricate and push a convenient narrative ahead of disastrous polling. [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] "Trump would have won the popular vote if Americans went into the future and realized they voted for the person who would have lost" Oh no shit? Fuckin stellar journalism there. Give these fellas a Pulitzer.

[QUOTE=archangel125;52142217]So this indicates... what? Trump voters are idiots without the capacity for critical thought, while Hillary voters knew she was bad and simply chose her as a lesser evil? Don't forget, the majority of voting Americans still voted for Hillary Clinton.[/QUOTE] That's a very simple minded point of view. You already acknowledged that Hillary voters knew she was bad, is it really impossible that Trump voters don't regret voting Trump because they, too, knew she was bad, and not because they're apparently all idiots? Given the circumstances you don't have to regret voting for him to dislike what he's doing in-office.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52141994]Uhhh... MSN? Washington Post? You really think they would slant their numbers to support Trump? Could you honestly ever believe that? All they have ever done is the opposite. [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] Is it so hard to believe that people have other minds than your own? Is it so hard for you people to understand that Trump supporters see things differently than you? You alienate us and insult and degrade us for supporting "bad" things, but we don't see what he is doing as bad. But of course, you guys know everything and that's why we're wrong, right? What a hypocrisy, what's wrong with differing opinions? Just because my opinion is different than yours doesn't make it wrong. Just because you don't agree with what Trump is doing doesn't make him wrong. I believe the wall and cutting of federal money to sanctuary cities is a good thing. Just because you don't believe that to be true doesn't make me wrong, and I don't believe you are wrong for not agreeing with me.[/QUOTE] Wh, yes, it [I]is[/I] so hard to believe they have minds. When someone supports a person who has proved over and over again to be a corrupt, unstable, hypocritical, egomaniacal man-child, the only conclusion I can draw is that they're a complete lemming who refuses to let go of that pathetic cult of personality of his.

It's like regretting you backed an underfunded Kickstarter, even though you didn't end up actually paying anything. There's nothing to regret. This is a bit of an odd poll.

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52142260]That's a very simple minded point of view. You already acknowledged that Hillary voters knew she was bad, is it really impossible that Trump voters don't regret voting Trump because they, too, knew she was bad, and not because they're apparently all idiots?[/QUOTE] It's possible but it's impossible to know for sure given the data we have. As I said earlier, there is no way to know how much of that 96% support would still support Trump over Clinton because they think that as bad as Trump is, Clinton was worse, or because they simply approve of everything Trump does even if it's a radical departure from what he campaigned on. [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;52142282]Wh, yes, it [I]is[/I] so hard to believe they have minds. When someone supports a person who has proved over and over again to be a corrupt, unstable, hypocritical, egomaniacal man-child, the only conclusion I can draw is that they're a complete lemming who refuses to let go of that pathetic cult of personality of his.[/QUOTE] I mean, I wouldn't go so far as to call Trump supporters idiots, but at the same time you have to wonder why or how people are willing to entrust someone who has lied to them over and over again. Again, if you come from money or the military and the only things Trump's presidency has done for you is benefit and you really have no stance on Planned Parenthood, the wall, Syria etc then you do you but that doesn't explain the 96% figure.

[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52141994]I believe the wall ... is a good thing.[/QUOTE] Okay, that's your right. Now, here's the thing. Trump campaigned on building a wall and making Mexico pay for it. Mexico said "haha get fucked". Trump responded with "Well, I'll implement a 20% import tax to make Mexico pay for it that way." Everyone with any sense on what that would do to both the US and Mexico talked Trump out of such crazy tarrifs. Trump responded with "ok, I'll get Congress to add it to the budget." Democrats are threatening to not support the budget if it means diverting money for the wall (especially with the billions in cuts the budget is making to important agencies and services). [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/04/23/white-house-budget-director-takes-hard-line-on-border-wall-as-threat-of-government-shutdown-looms/"]The Republican response has been to offer to continue to fund important elements of the ACA in exchange for funding the wall,[/URL] which is also a way of saying that the Republicans are prepared to crash the health insurance market if they don't get their way. Failure to pass this bill this week means the federal government shuts down on Trump's 100th day in office. Trump has now gone to Twitter, as sourced in the above link, saying that Mexico will pay for it "at a later date". So, Trump's election promise was that Mexico was going to build the wall. Then, when Mexico refused, he threatened to start a trade war with them. When he was talked out of that, he decided to make the taxpayer pay for it. When he encountered resistance, he decided to hold America's health insurance hostage for it, and if that intimidation tactic doesn't work, he's already laying ground for his new strategy: Effectively make the American taxpayer loan the government the money for the wall so they can build it now because [I]Trump's[/I] voters want it now, and make Mexico pay for it at some future time in some unspecified way. Do you support this? Can you say this is an ethical process? Is victory by any means an appropriate trait for a President? [QUOTE=Raidyr;52142290]if you come from money or the military and the only things Trump's presidency has done for you is benefit[/QUOTE] Trump hasn't done anything for the military, aside from create job security for them by running an aggressive and incompetent foreign policy that's creating global friction. Until the Trump administration passes a budget, nothing will be done for the military, and even then, it'll take years for most of those budget appropriations for new weapons systems and etc. to be felt in the ranks because cash doesn't just create missiles and a logistics chain that'll get them to where they need to be out of thin air. Any improvements in the military this year are thanks to policies and budgets set by Obama, or even before him.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52142367] Trump hasn't done anything for the military, aside from create job security for them by running an aggressive and incompetent foreign policy that's creating global friction. Until the Trump administration passes a budget, nothing will be done for the military, and even then, it'll take years for most of those budget appropriations for new weapons systems and etc. to be felt in the ranks because cash doesn't just create missiles and a logistics chain that'll get them to where they need to be out of thin air. Any improvements in the military this year are thanks to policies and budgets set by Obama, or even before him.[/QUOTE] I mean, "job security" is more or less the one thing a presidential administration can do to win the military vote. It's why Republicans consistently outperform Democrats, often by drastic margins. It would be naive to assume that the sorts of defense expenditures pushed by Trump would see all that money go to personnel, but more money is better than less money. There is also the fact that the myriad of domestic policies that Trump proposes simply don't affect people in the military at all. [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52142367] Do you support this? Can you say this is an ethical process? Is victory by any means an appropriate trait for a President? [/QUOTE] That is really what it comes down to and I really don't know why people who support Trump are so afraid to come out and say it. They don't give a shit who is paying for the wall. "The wall" as a physical barrier means a lot less to them then the intentions behind it, and the idea that Trump is securing Americans from illegal immigration and economic depredation. [editline]23rd April 2017[/editline] I'll just straight up ask Trump supporters who have already posted in this thread like Tudd and Ralgoman: Do you give a shit whether I pay for the wall or Mexico pays for the wall as long as the wall goes up?

If this many people [i]still[/i] haven't regretted electing Trump president, this country might not be worth saving. Thread music: [video=youtube;7xxgRUyzgs0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0[/video]

Yes Tudd, Trump created a very effective (and scary) cult of personality which many people - including yourself - bought into. Congratulations for being fooled, I guess?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;52142411] I'll just straight up ask Trump supporters who have already posted in this thread like Tudd and Ralgoman: Do you give a shit whether I pay for the wall or Mexico pays for the wall as long as the wall goes up?[/QUOTE] I'm still inclined to support the wall going up even out of domestic expense, but I do care in the sense that I believe Mexico pays for it as a way out of their trade deficit with us. If it ends up that we foot the whole bill, it would be incredibly disappointing, but I still believe in a stronger border and thus wouldn't be bothered by it to the point to say I have "buyer's remorse" even. So maybe that gives you some insight on the tolerances a Trump Supporter might have on the reality of Trump's Administration past promises. You being taxed on it? I mean I kinda care in the way that I know you don't support it, but that is taxes in a nutshell for a variety of issues/projects people don't support. It is probably the same amount caring you might have for me if I started my rant on how retarded it is we subsidize R&D energy companies with 40% of our energy budget under Obama and only put 7% in Nuclear, despite Nuclear being a technology we can use today to fix our environmental woes. In my opinion, showing how the left can be just as skeptic/anti-science as the right on certain issues.