• Drugs to do, and not to do?
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What drugs do you think you shouldn't do, and which do you think you should do? Explain. To do (if no additives, and legal) -Weed -Alcohol -Caffeine -LSD -Psilocybin mushrooms -Mescaline -Mescaline Cacti (Peyote, etc) -Tobacco (only like once a year) -Catnip -MDMA (I wouldn't do it, but its medically safe) All of these drugs are safe and non-addictive, and even safer if not smoked. Check this out for info... [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_harm_assessment_of_drugs_radar_plot.svg[/url] I don't know about Coca leaves though?
Weed, Alcohol, Caffeine, and MDMA are all addictive.
[QUOTE=Use;45536765]Weed, Alcohol, Caffeine, and MDMA are all addictive.[/QUOTE] I mean not highly addictive, you can use it a couple times and walk away.
[QUOTE=mushroompizza;45536844]I mean not highly addictive, you can use it a couple times and walk away.[/QUOTE] Most people don't do these types of drugs to just do once and walk away. And that's how most addiction starts anyway. I just don't want to see you go down a bad path.
If you are responsible you can't be an addict for those drugs. I've never heard of a responsible meth user.
[QUOTE=mushroompizza;45536920]If you are responsible you can't be an addict for those drugs. I've never heard of a responsible meth user.[/QUOTE] Any addiction is a negative. You do you, I'm not saying you should or should not. I'm simply pointing out that those drugs are in fact addictive.
I recognize that they are addictive, they can also be used responsibly is what I'm trying to say.
[QUOTE=mushroompizza;45537083]I recognize that they are addictive, they can also be used responsibly is what I'm trying to say.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. I agree with that point.
[QUOTE=mushroompizza;45536844]I mean not highly addictive, you can use it a couple times and walk away.[/QUOTE] You can use every drug a couple of times and walk away. The potential for problems generally arise when you start making a habit out of it. imo all drugs are worth trying at least once.
[QUOTE=mushroompizza;45537083]I recognize that they are addictive, they can also be used responsibly is what I'm trying to say.[/QUOTE] any drug can be used responsibly. Drugs can't be irresponsible, only people can.
[QUOTE=mushroompizza;45537083]I recognize that they are addictive, they can also be used responsibly is what I'm trying to say.[/QUOTE] Tell me how I got addicted to opiates, and wasn't aware they were addictive... Awareness is not an excuse to not get addicted. It helps, but certainly not a sure fire excuse. I never thought I'd be addicted to anything in my life, I don't even smoke cigs, but here I am almost 3 days through withdrawal, but yea like the other guy said, you do you, but just know, sometimes even knowing something's highly addictive doesn't mean you can avoid it.
You should question whether you have an addictive personality both now and as you try more to avoid going down a bad path of being "addicted" to multiple things. For example, I recognize my minor caffeine addiction, as I have it most days of the week, but not to the point of drinking coffee regularly in a routine. Or with weed how I keep it to 1 or 2 weekend nights and have occasional tolerance breaks. I felt confident in my control when I decided to try coke when offered last weekend. I liked it, but the price and not wanting an addiction is going to keep me from going for it again for a while. There's a decent amount of people I know that it might not have been a good idea for, as they'd like it and not resist it despite price and potentially being cut as the US is not a producer country (Given the age and occupation and relation to me, I felt confident there wasn't laundry detergent in it). As while having a cigarette habit is insane to me, given the health effects and price with the high taxes, I know people my age going to a top tech school with me that picked it up and accepting their habit, the last thing they need it is more expensive more destructive drug like coke. Also, I never hear about responsible meth or heroine users, so probably not many if any exist, especially with the lack of pure heroine around. My buddy heard noise outside his apartment recently and there was someone digging through a nearby dumpster in the middle of the night, opiate withdrawal is the only explanation, trying to scrounge up some cans to get cash to buy more.
To go along with the addiction talk, keeping yourself busy with non drug related activities is crucial. Getting bored and making drugs your 'go to' option when it comes to fun is a big no no. Sure it's fine for a few times but when you have a lot of free time and fill it with drug use you are asking for it to be a habit. Once you create a drug habit to fill your free time you end up setting yourself up. There was a good year where I had nothing to do outside of school so I eventually spent most of my days getting high for a good portion of the day, go to sleep, and repeat the same routine for months. Then when I finally had to take a t break it became very hard to, not because of cravings but rather because I was bored and was so used to just going out smoking a bowl [I]and then[/I] going about doing things I enjoyed. I grew bored of doing things I liked without it so after a couple of t breaks I've moved on from being high 24/7 and have stuck to only like one alone session a day. No matter how enticing a drug is, don't use it to fill up your free time, that is don't make it a habit where its like "ah im fucking bored might as well use X".
most drugs are worth the experience but it helps to stick to the "weakest" of any class for example, if you're gonna try speed, stick with dex or racemic amphetamine and please don't do meth. You sorta /can/ use it responsibly, but chances of that are strongly against you until you've experienced/battled addiction in the first place. it WILL make you want more, no matter how much you tell yourself "it'll just be a one time thing" from there, it very quickly becomes a mental hell. extreme will power is required to stay away because it's almost as if it reprograms your autopilot to just want more. go figure dopamine on the other hand responsible use of amphetamine itself is quite common and from what I understand a lot easier to control yourself with by comparison on the other hand I've tried codeine a few times and can't say i'm a fan of opiates. I'm sure stronger ones are more pleasurable but also more addictive at that and I don't want to battle addiction again, especially not a physical one
There seems to be a common misconception about addiction being something that "just happens" in the general populace. Most people just think that you try heroin/meth/coke/crack/etc once and suddenly you're hooked with full withdrawals and all. The thing is that ISNT what happens. Addiction is a really slow process, and usually one that is self fueled. People seem to misunderstand cravings, and think that you're not really enjoying yourself once you get them along with addiction. It's the exact opposite, you're getting cravings because you enjoy yourself [I]too much[/I]. This is very very very bad for people who have these misconceptions and then try a "hard" drug. They will try something like heroin and find that, no, you dont get instant cravings [most of the time] and withdrawals. After seeing that they assume that everything they've been told has been a lie and that heroin isn't really that bad and so continue using thinking that they can handle it. I've seen it happen a lot being apart of several communities where a large portion of the members were addicted to heroin. I particularly remember someone who had just started shooting up saying in IRC that "I can be a responsible heroin user". Now a few months later and he wants to get off of it because he can see himself falling into that hole but cant seem to shake it. Not addicted to the point of w/ds yet luckily, but that cant be said for everyone that it has happened too. Addiction is a very slippery slope and the number one way to combat it is to watch yourself and not deny it when you're falling down that hole.
From what I understand, when you take a drug and find you like the effects it has on you, you'll probably start doing it pretty often if you don't know how it TRUELY affects you. When you run out of any given substance after a few days of using it, you're forced to not use it after days of constant use which is how the withdrawals get you. You're so used to using that when you can't use your body and/or mind basically has a temper tantrum because it isn't getting what it wants. If you're smart about how you use drugs you'll never have to worry about becoming addicted. The secret is moderation. It can be hard to just put it down, but if you start to think about how you might be in a month if you constantly use, it can be pretty easy to put it down for a day or two.
[QUOTE=de;45541749]There seems to be a common misconception about addiction being something that "just happens" in the general populace. Most people just think that you try heroin/meth/coke/crack/etc once and suddenly you're hooked with full withdrawals and all. The thing is that ISNT what happens. Addiction is a really slow process, and usually one that is self fueled. People seem to misunderstand cravings, and think that you're not really enjoying yourself once you get them along with addiction. It's the exact opposite, you're getting cravings because you enjoy yourself [I]too much[/I]. This is very very very bad for people who have these misconceptions and then try a "hard" drug. They will try something like heroin and find that, no, you dont get instant cravings [most of the time] and withdrawals. After seeing that they assume that everything they've been told has been a lie and that heroin isn't really that bad and so continue using thinking that they can handle it. I've seen it happen a lot being apart of several communities where a large portion of the members were addicted to heroin. I particularly remember someone who had just started shooting up saying in IRC that "I can be a responsible heroin user". Now a few months later and he wants to get off of it because he can see himself falling into that hole but cant seem to shake it. Not addicted to the point of w/ds yet luckily, but that cant be said for everyone that it has happened too. Addiction is a very slippery slope and the number one way to combat it is to watch yourself and not deny it when you're falling down that hole.[/QUOTE] except this is what people assume before they get addicted to anything. It helps to take your own ability to control yourself with a substance with a grain of doubt. I assume that I can't control myself with meth, this is a large part of what keeps me away. I too thought "yeah it's a misconception" but i'm telling you man, when you feel something THAT pleasurable, it's more than just instantaneous cravings. you go into automatic behaviours of seeking that feeling and have to apply tremendous will power to get your mind off of it, and if you can't do that much, you're pretty fucked. i've seen some people use it /fairly/ responsibly (think once every few months or something) but these are people that have all gone through the "hook" of substances at least once before, i've never seen someone new to meth use it without getting hooked, i've heard stories, but those people tend to make the conscious decision to never use it again simply because they know they'll likely get hooked. seeing how it affects consciousness whether it be my own or someone elses on the other hand and the "free will" aspect of it however, is actually fucking scary. because your "free will" seems to be what actually wants more, call it a craving if you want, but when I say you go from "i'll try it just once" to "I fucking want more of this this is amazing" almost instantaneously, I am not joking. Even if you /know/ deep down how bad it is for you, you can't help but want more. I'm not saying this will be true for EVERYONE, but with meth specifically, it has a VERY high chance and the rate of change from "yeah i'm in control" to "what the fuck have I done" happens so quick you don't even know what really happened. the reason being the drug releases so much dopamine that no matter how fucked up you are, you feel on top of the fucking world like nothing else has to offer. it's a very addictive feeling and going back to "normal" is so bland by comparison that most people will automatically seek more, and assume it okay to do so because of how rewarding the feeling is, but once again, this seems to happen almost automatically and requires direct intervention on your self to avoid. I only have myself to blame, and I know this, but it still fucks my head over trying to decide whether or not it can even be used responsibly, cause once I start thinking it can, I automatically start thinking and feeling like having more. there's a reason people that use these substances discourage people from getting involved. Personally, the only reason I don't want more, is because I know if I touch it again, i'll just want more, and I don't trust myself enough with that state of mind to think that I can stay on top of it. My lapses have been sparse and relatively controlled, and I still feel like it's out of control in those once every 2 month sorta ordeals. I seriously hope I never lapse again, but I can't say this for sure, and this is after using for /a month/, which compared to some others is really nothing, but still. that month passed by quicker than any other time period in my life, a month that i'll never get back, with permanent after effects. it was enough to take me through multiple psychosis and a seriously seemingly impossible struggle with self control. just don't assume you're more powerful than the drugs, getting cocky or confident is the first mistake when it comes to meth. quick edit: just realized you were basically saying what I was saying to some degree, the part I don't agree with is about the cravings/hook, they're very much there, but as you said, they're misunderstood in a sense. people don't realize them for what they are and instead give in to them and continue on as if it's "okay" and that they're in control, when really it's the exact opposite as control slowly (or quite quickly, in most cases) slips away, and mental addiction takes over. the thing is, if most people are getting that from one use of said substances, then is the "misconception" really a misconception? meth not even once seems a lot more valid now that i've gone through it cause all I can say is it only took that one use for me to instantly fall in love with what I was experiencing. I wasn't "instantly addicted", or was I? my mind changed from "i'll try it once and leave it alone" to daily use pretty much after my first hit... sure society exaggerates things but exaggerations don't come from no where. using meth or heroin one time might not turn you into a full fledged junkie, but it'll definitely change your mind about the substances in question. for better, or worse, it's inevitable and assuming "it wont do anything to me because I have will power" just comes across as a fucking joke to anyone that's dabbled with these substances. so sorry for being a little hostile in response but I think I misinterpreted your comment originally because of the misconception you brought up. The very problem with the misconception, is that it's not entirely a misconception, but most people fail to realize it until they get to that point... tl;dr hard drugs are the most hypocritical mind changing substances around and cause a dichotomy of headfuck that can never quite fully be explained or solved other than "fuck it just leave it alone" and now imma fuck it and just leave it alone.
[QUOTE=Consciousness;45542181]except this is what people assume before they get addicted to anything. It helps to take your own ability to control yourself with a substance with a grain of doubt. I assume that I can't control myself with meth, this is a large part of what keeps me away. I too thought "yeah it's a misconception" but i'm telling you man, when you feel something THAT pleasurable, it's more than just instantaneous cravings. you go into automatic behaviours of seeking that feeling and have to apply tremendous will power to get your mind off of it, and if you can't do that much, you're pretty fucked. i've seen some people use it /fairly/ responsibly (think once every few months or something) but these are people that have all gone through the "hook" of substances at least once before, i've never seen someone new to meth use it without getting hooked, i've heard stories, but those people tend to make the conscious decision to never use it again simply because they know they'll likely get hooked. seeing how it affects consciousness whether it be my own or someone elses on the other hand and the "free will" aspect of it however, is actually fucking scary. because your "free will" seems to be what actually wants more, call it a craving if you want, but when I say you go from "i'll try it just once" to "I fucking want more of this this is amazing" almost instantaneously, I am not joking. Even if you /know/ deep down how bad it is for you, you can't help but want more. I'm not saying this will be true for EVERYONE, but with meth specifically, it has a VERY high chance and the rate of change from "yeah i'm in control" to "what the fuck have I done" happens so quick you don't even know what really happened. the reason being the drug releases so much dopamine that no matter how fucked up you are, you feel on top of the fucking world like nothing else has to offer. it's a very addictive feeling and going back to "normal" is so bland by comparison that most people will automatically seek more, and assume it okay to do so because of how rewarding the feeling is, but once again, this seems to happen almost automatically and requires direct intervention on your self to avoid. I only have myself to blame, and I know this, but it still fucks my head over trying to decide whether or not it can even be used responsibly, cause once I start thinking it can, I automatically start thinking and feeling like having more. there's a reason people that use these substances discourage people from getting involved. Personally, the only reason I don't want more, is because I know if I touch it again, i'll just want more, and I don't trust myself enough with that state of mind to think that I can stay on top of it. My lapses have been sparse and relatively controlled, and I still feel like it's out of control in those once every 2 month sorta ordeals. I seriously hope I never lapse again, but I can't say this for sure, and this is after using for /a month/, which compared to some others is really nothing, but still. that month passed by quicker than any other time period in my life, a month that i'll never get back, with permanent after effects. it was enough to take me through multiple psychosis and a seriously seemingly impossible struggle with self control. just don't assume you're more powerful than the drugs, getting cocky or confident is the first mistake when it comes to meth.[/QUOTE] So true, first time I ever had any opiate experience, I took too much oxycodone, and threw up and went to sleep, but the brief pleasure told my mind I knew I needed to try that again. It's because when your dopamine receptors (or whatever releases dopamine) get so rustled up and rightly fucked, your mind is like "hot damn, so you're telling me I don't have to make dopamine on my own!? There's a chemical that can make it for me!? Well yea, fuck this whole healthy living shit, I want that drug!" and so your instincts tell you you want that pleasure again, because it's naturally easier than the brain making it on it's own. Fortunately we're a species that can say no to our brains, but sometimes it's hard, and not everyone CAN tell their brains no, as everyone's different, or simply not aware of how the mind works.
Your right technically you can use any drug responsibly, its just easier for some (weed), and really hard for others (meth/heroin). But you also have to take the physical effects into case (nausea/vomiting), and medical effects (heart defects, brain injury).
[QUOTE=Consciousness;45542181]except this is what people assume before they get addicted to anything. It helps to take your own ability to control yourself with a substance with a grain of doubt. I assume that I can't control myself with meth, this is a large part of what keeps me away. I too thought "yeah it's a misconception" but i'm telling you man, when you feel something THAT pleasurable, it's more than just instantaneous cravings. you go into automatic behaviours of seeking that feeling and have to apply tremendous will power to get your mind off of it, and if you can't do that much, you're pretty fucked. i've seen some people use it /fairly/ responsibly (think once every few months or something) but these are people that have all gone through the "hook" of substances at least once before, i've never seen someone new to meth use it without getting hooked, i've heard stories, but those people tend to make the conscious decision to never use it again simply because they know they'll likely get hooked. seeing how it affects consciousness whether it be my own or someone elses on the other hand and the "free will" aspect of it however, is actually fucking scary. because your "free will" seems to be what actually wants more, call it a craving if you want, but when I say you go from "i'll try it just once" to "I fucking want more of this this is amazing" almost instantaneously, I am not joking. Even if you /know/ deep down how bad it is for you, you can't help but want more. I'm not saying this will be true for EVERYONE, but with meth specifically, it has a VERY high chance and the rate of change from "yeah i'm in control" to "what the fuck have I done" happens so quick you don't even know what really happened. the reason being the drug releases so much dopamine that no matter how fucked up you are, you feel on top of the fucking world like nothing else has to offer. it's a very addictive feeling and going back to "normal" is so bland by comparison that most people will automatically seek more, and assume it okay to do so because of how rewarding the feeling is, but once again, this seems to happen almost automatically and requires direct intervention on your self to avoid. I only have myself to blame, and I know this, but it still fucks my head over trying to decide whether or not it can even be used responsibly, cause once I start thinking it can, I automatically start thinking and feeling like having more. there's a reason people that use these substances discourage people from getting involved. Personally, the only reason I don't want more, is because I know if I touch it again, i'll just want more, and I don't trust myself enough with that state of mind to think that I can stay on top of it. My lapses have been sparse and relatively controlled, and I still feel like it's out of control in those once every 2 month sorta ordeals. I seriously hope I never lapse again, but I can't say this for sure, and this is after using for /a month/, which compared to some others is really nothing, but still. that month passed by quicker than any other time period in my life, a month that i'll never get back, with permanent after effects. it was enough to take me through multiple psychosis and a seriously seemingly impossible struggle with self control. just don't assume you're more powerful than the drugs, getting cocky or confident is the first mistake when it comes to meth.[/QUOTE] this is exactly how i feel about stuff like mdma and amphetamine, and you worded it so nicely. i felt like i learned something about myself and my stimulant usage by reading your post.
Oops forgot to add amphetamine to the list of drugs to do. Again I don't like stimulants, so even though its alright I probably wont do it.
I am high and found some Methocarbamol 750 mg (A fancy V with 4212 on the other side). EDIT: It's called Robaxin. Is this anything special or no?
[QUOTE=Charrax;45560324]I am high and found some Methocarbamol 750 mg (A fancy V with 4212 on the other side). EDIT: It's called Robaxin. Is this anything special or no?[/QUOTE] "central" muscle relaxant, not sure how this one differs to other muscle relaxants but apparently it's used to treat skeletal spasms and things like that. you might feel quite nice under it's effects but i doubt it'd be very recreational as it has no cognitive-shift effects (although some might prefer that) but it might be interesting in itself. if you're generally a very relaxed individual you might not notice too much but if you have any muscle tension (personally I get a lot around my spine), even if negligible, you might find it quite enjoyable. actually this has gotten me curious now because I get quite a LOT of muscle tension specifically around my spine which makes it a bitch to sleep at night (extremely difficult to get comfortable, constantly shifting positions and trying to keep a decent sleep posture etc) or otherwise just sit comfortably in a chair in general it's just hard for me to physically relax, even though mentally/emotionally i'm almost always relaxed. it's getting to a point where I want to do something about it, might go for some massages or some shit first if you want to try it stick with recommended dosages, apparently it can get quite dysphoric at higher dosages with some pretty unfavorable side effects including things like fevers, dizziness, drowsiness... [editline]1st August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=/B/rother;45544436]this is exactly how i feel about stuff like mdma and amphetamine, and you worded it so nicely. i felt like i learned something about myself and my stimulant usage by reading your post.[/QUOTE] yeah reading back on my comment IDK if I want to follow through and get a stimulant prescription... working out is doing more for my ADHD symptoms than meth ever did granted, at the doses i'd be prescribed it'd be relatively easy to stay in control and quite a bit different to meth, i just dunno mang personally never had much of an issue with MDMA, though i have justified using it a couple times within a month before and even 2 weeks in a row, I tend to take big breaks if I catch myself slipping up at all and even with those slip ups I only get on a few times a year I can see how/why people would be prone to abusing it but I worry more about my serotonin system than anything else, i'm wary more so ever since I binged on nbomes a little and built up some seemingly permanent tolerance towards psychedelics
I guess you could list weed among things that are generally useful, but also pretty recreational and mild. But I think most people should take Psilocin, LSD, and perhaps even MDMA for personal development.
[QUOTE]I guess you could list weed among things that are generally useful, but also pretty recreational and mild. But I think most people should take Psilocin, LSD, and perhaps even MDMA for personal development.[/QUOTE] MDMA causes severe depression after use, so I cannot advise to do so. Plus, what do you mean by "personal development"?
[QUOTE=mushroompizza;45575865]MDMA causes severe depression after use, so I cannot advise to do so. Plus, what do you mean by "personal development"?[/QUOTE] As far as MDMA, my first time was very powerful, and changed me as a person when it comes to being social and communicating with human beings. I did feel slightly depressed afterwards for a few days, but that was offset by the incredibly positive experience. I don't think I would take it often, but even just once may be a good thing for some people. It was for me. As for personal development, I mean using psychedelics to gain perspective and insight from another point of view. I find them to be very useful. An example would be in the area of creativity. Also, approaching problems with different thought patterns can be helpful.
As far as MDMA, my first time was very powerful, and changed me as a person when it comes to being social and communicating with human beings. I did feel slightly depressed afterwards for a few days, but that was offset by the incredibly positive experience. [QUOTE]I don't think I would take it often, but even just once may be a good thing for some people. It was for me. As for personal development, I mean using psychedelics to gain perspective and insight from another point of view. I find them to be very useful. An example would be in the area of creativity. Also, approaching problems with different thought patterns can be helpful.[/QUOTE] I see what you mean about psychedelics. But I'm still not gonna do MDMA, everyone's depression is different, yours was for a few days, for some it can be suicidal thoughts for a month. I don't want to find out what I'll be.
not everyone gets depressed after using mdma though. [editline]3rd August 2014[/editline] and i don't think anyone is trying to convince you to do mdma.
Instead of being addicted to drugs, be addicted to learning more about drugs to decrease your abuse potential (and learn some cool stuff)
from what i'm hearing spice/synthetic weed is something to avoid
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