• México should legalize drugs in order to stop the narcotrafic violence? But U.S would allowed it?
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Well theres drugs crossing the border cause the consumer want them and pay for them where ever the cost is..., thats what its called nowadays the Blood outsourcing from the U.S to México, they get the drug pay (whatever the price is) for it and then give weapons and strength the narcotrafic power killing in the way a lot of Mexicans and growing the fear in the country, but its soo fool from him to say that cause, as Mexican we have been pursuing the legalization of the drugs since 1940, and the only blockade its the Antidrugs policy.... of the U.S, fight with all the weapons the drug business increase the prices strength the narco and U.S win in all the times they get the money they get the drug and dont have the kills..., the moment México legalize again the drugs a lot of money its gonna be loose by the us defense dept, police etc...
Mexico legalizing the drugs would do nothing for american drug policy because then it would just become easier to smuggle more pure products into the US. Now if the US (one of the main users of all drugs in the world) legalized all illicit substances, the cartels would essentially lose all and any pull and would be stuck with weapons and human trafficking, basically much worse and violent than drugs as it is, and the focus would be put on those instead.
If the US legalized all drugs, everyone would be better off
[QUOTE=cody8295;48524311]If the US legalized all drugs, everyone would be better off[/QUOTE] Literally everyone, mexico, the US, and probably several other countries.
[QUOTE=cody8295;48524311]If the US legalized all drugs, everyone would be better off[/QUOTE] What? Even meth and krokodil?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48527728]What? Even meth and krokodil?[/QUOTE] yes. legalize them and treat addicts as patients instead of criminals. rehab/detox centers should be there for them. dangerous drugs are only so popular because they're illegal and expensive, pleasure second.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48527728]What? Even meth and krokodil?[/QUOTE] Especially meth and krokodil, they are two of the most widely unregulated substances there are, besides if people could just get safe access to other opiates essentially no one would seek krokodil, and the meth would still be meth, but at least those using would have access to a pure safe (as safe as meth can be) product with less risk of personal injury. And certainly no one believes that everyone would start abusing drugs if this were to happen, if you believe that then everyone would be on drugs anyways, as they're still available you just have to seek them out. [editline]24th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Quark:;48529724]yes. legalize them and treat addicts as patients instead of criminals. rehab/detox centers should be there for them. dangerous drugs are only so popular because they're illegal and expensive, pleasure second.[/QUOTE] No dangerous drugs are popular because of the pleasure most certainly, I've never met an addict who told me: "yea I take heroin because it makes me cool", da fuck?
[QUOTE=Quark:;48529724]yes. legalize them and treat addicts as patients instead of criminals. rehab/detox centers should be there for them. dangerous drugs are only so popular because they're illegal and expensive, pleasure second.[/QUOTE] You can treat drug addicts as patients while keeping the drugs illegal too you know. Keep them illegal.
Legalize weed, tax it and use the tax dollars for rehab clinics and shit.
I just dont think it's necessary to put nonviolent "criminals" in prison, also it makes more sense economically to legalize
[QUOTE=cody8295;48534647]I just dont think it's necessary to put nonviolent "criminals" in prison, also it makes more sense economically to legalize[/QUOTE] I'm not saying to put drug addicts in prison, but to treat them as patients who need medical treatment. I'm saying to keep stuff like meth illegal, in that we criminalize the sale and distribution of it (i.e the people involved in manufacturing and selling it).
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48535378]I'm not saying to put drug addicts in prison, but to treat them as patients who need medical treatment. I'm saying to keep stuff like meth illegal, in that we criminalize the sale and distribution of it (i.e the people involved in manufacturing and selling it).[/QUOTE] The only thing that accomplishes is fueling a.black market
[QUOTE=cody8295;48537788]The only thing that accomplishes is fueling a.black market[/QUOTE] Under that logic we shouldn't ban anything, drug related or otherwise, for fear of the black market.
All drugs need to be legal, all hard drugs should be decriminalized.
if they're legal they'll cost less and be purer because they'll be properly administrated. this is a great idea in principle.
[QUOTE=cody8295;48537788]The only thing that accomplishes is fueling a.black market[/QUOTE] There's a black market in everything from explosives to deadly poisons. Government deregulation isn't a panacea to a massive social problem involving all of the various kinds of drugs currently being used. Like, if you allowed companies to sell meth, what do you honestly think would happen? Tobacco companies sent decades fighting research that showed how dangerous to health tobacco smoking was, what do you think well-funded meth manufacturers would do?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48539086]There's a black market in everything from explosives to deadly poisons. Government deregulation isn't a panacea to a massive social problem involving all of the various kinds of drugs currently being used. Like, if you allowed companies to sell meth, what do you honestly think would happen? Tobacco companies sent decades fighting research that showed how dangerous to health tobacco smoking was, what do you think well-funded meth manufacturers would do?[/QUOTE] no matter how hard tobacco companies fought against it being common knowledge of how bad smoking was for you, it's still pretty common knowledge. it's also pretty common knowledge that meth is bad for you, and so on. education on these things is pretty well taught and the research is pretty solid. let people use drugs if they want to, and if it's a problem then get them the help they need instead of sending them to prison for it.
[QUOTE=Quark:;48541098]no matter how hard tobacco companies fought against it being common knowledge of how bad smoking was for you, it's still pretty common knowledge. it's also pretty common knowledge that meth is bad for you, and so on. education on these things is pretty well taught and the research is pretty solid. let people use drugs if they want to, and if it's a problem then get them the help they need instead of sending them to prison for it.[/QUOTE] I agree with getting people the help they need and not sending them to prison if they are users. What I disagree with is allowing people to sell it in the first place.
If we do legalize, drug users will be safer, more educated, and know exactly how much of any drug theyre taking. If not as an economical success, consider the humanitarian effort to reduce accidental overdoses, abuse without attention, and use of contaminated needles.
[QUOTE=cody8295;48542620]If we do legalize, drug users will be safer, more educated, and know exactly how much of any drug theyre taking. If not as an economical success, consider the humanitarian effort to reduce accidental overdoses, abuse without attention, and use of contaminated needles.[/QUOTE] Millions of people already get drunk and cause injury to themselves or other people on a daily basis. Consider something much worse like heroin, and ask yourself if legalizing heroin would really improve things, or incidentally just normalize taking drugs and leading to a major negative impact on public health.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48544089]Millions of people already get drunk and cause injury to themselves or other people on a daily basis. Consider something much worse like heroin, and ask yourself if legalizing heroin would really improve things, or incidentally just normalize taking drugs and leading to a major negative impact on public health.[/QUOTE] Dtugs are already normalized. There is caffeine in our drinks and artificial flavors in our food. We must educate drug users on the chemical actions of the drugs they choose to uss. Hopefully Americans wlll soon have the freedom to experiment with their body and consciousness without worrying about being busted
[QUOTE=cody8295;48545150]Dtugs are already normalized. There is caffeine in our drinks and artificial flavors in our food. We must educate drug users on the chemical actions of the drugs they choose to uss.[/quote] There is a significant difference between the compounds active in a cup of tea, and injecting heroin into yourself. The most obvious difference is that the latter actually causes severe physical and mental damage, and I don't think it's a good idea to allow that kind of shit to be sold and for people to make money off of other peoples suffering. Saying "Let people decide themselves" is a copout argument that ignores the very real negative health impacts it has, in that people shouldn't even be considering it in the first place. Also artificial flavours in food aren't even drugs at all, unless you consider the broadest definition of drugs possible (in which case you might as well include beef, cheese, milk, and honey).
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48546858]There is a significant difference between the compounds active in a cup of tea, and injecting heroin into yourself. The most obvious difference is that the latter actually causes severe physical and mental damage, and I don't think it's a good idea to allow that kind of shit to be sold and for people to make money off of other peoples suffering. Saying "Let people decide themselves" is a copout argument that ignores the very real negative health impacts it has, in that people shouldn't even be considering it in the first place. Also artificial flavours in food aren't even drugs at all, unless you consider the broadest definition of drugs possible (in which case you might as well include beef, cheese, milk, and honey).[/QUOTE] Letting people decide for themselves is called freedom. Heroin can be used responsibly
[QUOTE=cody8295;48546990]Letting people decide for themselves is called freedom. Heroin can be used responsibly[/QUOTE] How the hell can heroin be used responsibly? That's like saying that it's possible to drink paint thinner without ill health effects.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48549173]How the hell can heroin be used responsibly? That's like saying that it's possible to drink paint thinner without ill health effects.[/QUOTE] Exactly:D
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48541424]I agree with getting people the help they need and not sending them to prison if they are users. What I disagree with is allowing people to sell it in the first place.[/QUOTE] allowed or not, people will do it anyway. it's illegal to sell meth, but if i wanted i could go get some from the town next over in under an hour probably. even if it's illegal, it will still happen. if you legalized it and had a process for acquiring it, street dealers would vanish over time. sure, meth is bad for you, but if people want it, they'll get it. the issue is making the process of acquisition victimless. people get killed and worse over street drugs every day, because it's illegal and black market. regulate, tax, process, and these issues will over time fade. as an added bonus, having drugs regulated and what-not should also mean they should be purer than their street forms, meaning less health problems from people smoking meth cut with shit.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48549173]How the hell can heroin be used responsibly? That's like saying that it's possible to drink paint thinner without ill health effects.[/QUOTE] You can do that in small amounts, aka responsibly
[QUOTE=Quark:;48553406]allowed or not, people will do it anyway.[/quote] Can't this be used to justify literally everything? Murder, rape, theft, and arson are not allowed, but people do it anyways. [quote]it's illegal to sell meth, but if i wanted i could go get some from the town next over in under an hour probably. even if it's illegal, it will still happen. if you legalized it and had a process for acquiring it, street dealers would vanish over time. sure, meth is bad for you, but if people want it, they'll get it. the issue is making the process of acquisition victimless. people get killed and worse over street drugs every day, because it's illegal and black market. regulate, tax, process, and these issues will over time fade. as an added bonus, having drugs regulated and what-not should also mean they should be purer than their street forms, meaning less health problems from people smoking meth cut with shit.[/QUOTE] What are marginal consumers? I'm all for having health clinics to help people, and to treat addicts as victims not criminals. Legalizing heroin is not going to help with these problems. [QUOTE=cody8295;48553673]You can do that in small amounts, aka responsibly[/QUOTE] I can also grow anthrax strains responsibly. Don't trivialize heroin like it's on the same level as marijuana.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48554444]Can't this be used to justify literally everything? Murder, rape, theft, and arson are not allowed, but people do it anyways. What are marginal consumers? I'm all for having health clinics to help people, and to treat addicts as victims not criminals. Legalizing heroin is not going to help with these problems. I can also grow anthrax strains responsibly. Don't trivialize heroin like it's on the same level as marijuana.[/QUOTE] Handling anthrax puts much more people in much more danger than the occasional junkie
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48549173]How the hell can heroin be used responsibly? That's like saying that it's possible to drink paint thinner without ill health effects.[/QUOTE] Do you know what doctors prescribe for physical trauma and surgery recovery? It's exactly the same as heroin to your body. Oxycodone, which is legal, is more potent an opiate than heroin. Not to mention you can legally buy and grow Papavier Somniferum and guess what comes from that plant... [QUOTE=Sobotnik;48554444]Can't this be used to justify literally everything? Murder, rape, theft, and arson are not allowed, but people do it anyways. What are marginal consumers? I'm all for having health clinics to help people, and to treat addicts as victims not criminals. Legalizing heroin is not going to help with these problems. I can also grow anthrax strains responsibly. Don't trivialize heroin like it's on the same level as marijuana.[/QUOTE] What does growing anthrax have to do with doing heroin? That's a pretty large leap of "logic" there.
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