Mexico now more dangerous than Iraq & Afghanistan, second only to Syria - Polidicks

[quote]It was the second deadliest conflict in the world last year, but it hardly registered in the international headlines. As Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan dominated the news agenda, Mexico's drug wars claimed 23,000 lives during 2016 -- second only to Syria, where 50,000 people died as a result of the civil war. "This is all the more surprising, considering that the conflict deaths [in Mexico] are nearly all attributable to small arms," said John Chipman, chief executive and director-general of the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which issued its annual survey of armed conflict on Tuesday. "The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan claimed 17,000 and 16,000 lives respectively in 2016, although in lethality they were surpassed by conflicts in Mexico and Central America, which have received much less attention from the media and the international community," said Anastasia Voronkova, the editor of the survey. In comparison, there were 17,000 conflict deaths in Mexico in 2015 and 15,000 in 2014 according to the IISS. Voronkova said the number of homicides rose in 22 of Mexico's 32 states during 2016 and the rivalries between cartels increased in violence. "It is noteworthy that the largest rises in fatalities were registered in states that were key battlegrounds for control between competing, increasingly fragmented cartels," she said. "The violence grew worse as the cartels expanded the territorial reach of their campaigns, seeking to 'cleanse' areas of rivals in their efforts to secure a monopoly on drug-trafficking routes and other criminal assets."[/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/americas/mexico-second-deadliest-conflict-2016/[/url] [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mexico-murder-tally-numbers-2016-second-syria-beats-homicides-iraq-afghanistan-armed-conflict-survey-a7727631.html[/url]

Where is the fuckin Mexican military?

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52210257]Where is the fuckin Mexican military?[/QUOTE] Probably too busy sitting at whatever bases they have getting high, sitting at the capitol guarding corrupt politicians or off mass killing civilians on orders of corrupt politicians. That's just a guess, but given how useless they seem to be and how one Mexican mayor ordered a bus of student protesters to be killed I wouldn't be surprised if it were all true.

I wonder if this would have been the case if the war on drugs were never a thing

[QUOTE=Killer900;52210279]I wonder if this would have been the case if the war on drugs were never a thing[/QUOTE] Not too late to see if it can be undone.

[QUOTE=Killer900;52210279]I wonder if this would have been the case if the war on drugs were never a thing[/QUOTE] Most likely not.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52210257]Where is the fuckin Mexican military?[/QUOTE] Corrupt as fuck and to be honest it seems like Mexican military/LE only cares about keeping the resort towns safe because gotta keep that tourism money flowing.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52210257]Where is the fuckin Mexican military?[/QUOTE] Training the cartels.

[QUOTE=nVidia;52210295]Most likely not.[/QUOTE] Really? You don't think that the money being pumped through the Cartels has nothing to do with it? [QUOTE=Pascall;52211075]I think he meant that things would be different if the war on drugs had never been a thing to begin with.[/QUOTE] Whoops, completely misread the post on my part. Took it as that there not being a war not changing the outcome.

[QUOTE=Phycosymo;52211044]Really? You don't think that the money being pumped through the Cartels has nothing to do with it?[/QUOTE] I think he meant that things would be different if the war on drugs had never been a thing to begin with.

Things will only get worse under the US's current administration. Mexico relies heavily on trade and movement between our nations (so do we). If our country's leadership follows through on its social and economic threats, Mexico's already unstable economy will completely collapse, further empowering the cartel groups and giving rise to even greater corruption among Mexican officials. The only productive path forward is investment in the Mexican economy and law enforcement branches, the elimination of the "War on Drugs" that funds the cartel operations, and cooperative governmental efforts to root out corruption among local officials and law enforcement. We can't wall the problem off and expect it remain isolated. That's ridiculous. We have to actually [I]fix[/I] the problem.

Crazy to think that 50 years ago Mexico was a relatively peaceful and safe place to live.

[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;52211114]Crazy to think that 50 years ago Mexico was a relatively peaceful and safe place to live.[/QUOTE] Same for Afghanistan and most of the Middle East.

Or US should just come in and deal with that border issue.

[QUOTE=Phycosymo;52211044]Really? You don't think that the money being pumped through the Cartels has nothing to do with it?[/QUOTE] You don't think the Cartels wouldn't have come to power without the war on drugs? You realize when they popped up right? You realize why? How? Historically it's all tied to the US war on drugs and there is no argument to be made that it did anything but empower the Cartels for decades upon decades.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52211468]You don't think the Cartels wouldn't have come to power without the war on drugs? You realize when they popped up right? You realize why? How? Historically it's all tied to the US war on drugs and there is no argument to be made that it did anything but empower the Cartels for decades upon decades.[/QUOTE] This is exactly the point I was trying to make, lol

[QUOTE=Phycosymo;52211675]This is exactly the point I was trying to make, lol[/QUOTE] Sorry, I misunderstood. [editline]10th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=LoLWaT?;52211561]We were too busy invading countries on the other side of the world. Plus, allowing conditions in Mexico to deteriorate and let the immigration problem worsen gives great leverage. [editline]10th May 2017[/editline] Regardless, legalizing drugs wouldn't be the magic solution to Mexico's issues at present day. I wouldn't think legalization alone would make the cartels go away or make the government any less corrupt than it already is.[/QUOTE] Not anymore no, but if this situation hadn't been created by the drug war we'd live in a different world.

Now I understands why those who get deported back there kill themselves at the border. They'd rather die now than tortured by their own

fuck i remember that story of that school bus full of kids that were kidnapped and killed by the cartel or something and like the whole police department in that town were in on it

[QUOTE=elowin;52211134]Same for Afghanistan and most of the Middle East.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say so for the Middle East given that 50 years ago this year was the Six Day War :v:

Ayy we're number one at something

[QUOTE=Nebrassy;52222952]Ayy we're number one at something[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/nXg4qRF.png[/IMG] [I]"Now look at these Cartels, that I just found!"[/I] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Memeshit" - Reagy))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52210257]Where is the fuckin Mexican military?[/QUOTE] Getting slaughtered. They are either deserting in fear for their own or families lives, or being killed for attempting to stand against the cartels. Need I remind that the cartels have been shooting down Mexican military helicopters with RPGs and heavy machine guns. [url=http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/09/07/mexico-gunmen-in-hotbed-drug-cartel-activity-shoot-down-police-helicopter-kill.html](1)[/url][url=https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/02/world/americas/mexican-helicopter-shot-down-killing-3-soldiers.html](2)[/url] No one really seems to understand how bad it is at the border and further down south. The drug wars have turned the cartels into groups of warlords and despots. We need to help build up the economy in Mexico while also possibly going forward with a military intervention to help the Mexican government. It is that bad at the moment.

And people keep saying that illegal immigration into the United States is just economic...

[QUOTE=Nebrassy;52222952]Ayy we're number one at something[/QUOTE] What's it like in Syria where you are?

Soon enough, things will go back to peace, because there won't be anyone else to kill.

[QUOTE=elowin;52211134]Same for Afghanistan and most of the Middle East.[/QUOTE] Depends on what side you where on.

Did the war on drugs make the cartels more powerful? Sure, but the cartels were only possible because of the corrupt as hell Mexican government, police force, and military. Would giant drug cartels form in the US if Canada were to have a war on drugs? No, I doubt it because they would get jailed and shut down, with military force if necessary. [editline]15th May 2017[/editline] One of my co-workers just recently had her cousin murdered by a cartel in Mexico and the police don't do crap about it.

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52210257]Where is the fuckin Mexican military?[/QUOTE] If TV is anything to go by, they were taken out by C4 turtles.

[QUOTE=sgman91;52230180]Did the war on drugs make the cartels more powerful? Sure, but the cartels were only possible because of the corrupt as hell Mexican government, police force, and military. [B]Would giant drug cartels form in the US if Canada were to have a war on drugs? No, I doubt it because they would get jailed and shut down, with military force if necessary.[/B] [editline]15th May 2017[/editline] One of my co-workers just recently had her cousin murdered by a cartel in Mexico and the police don't do crap about it.[/QUOTE] Canada still has a war on drugs, it just isn't the trillion dollar mess the US engages in. A lot of the reason Mexico is so stuck in is because of the easy smuggling routes into the US from the large drug production centres in South America that the cartels control, and the huge demand coming from the USA.