Former PM Sir John Major says case for a second EU referendum is 'perfectly credible' - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Sir John Major has become the second former prime minister within 24 hours to question the Brexit process, saying there is a “perfectly credible” case for a second referendum on leaving the European Union.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Speaking shortly after Tony Blair argued in an interview that Brexit could be reversed if the public changed its mind, Major said that the 48% of voters who wanted to remain should not be subject to the “tyranny of the majority”.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/25/brexit-sir-john-major-says-perfectly-credible-case-for-second-referendum[/url]

To be honest rather than have Eurosceptics whinge and whine until the day the planet is consumed by our aging sun over being asked the question until the population gets it right I'd rather have them go ahead with soft Brexit and let the turmoil that causes destroy the movement. When we've calmed down from being a stroppy miserable kid in the corner squealing about how EU rules are so unfair we can come back in to the group later.

[QUOTE=Dr.Critic;51430913]To be honest rather than have Eurosceptics whinge and whine until the day the planet is consumed by our aging sun over being asked the question until the population gets it right I'd rather have them go ahead with soft Brexit and let the turmoil that causes destroy the movement. When we've calmed down from being a stroppy miserable kid in the corner squealing about how EU rules are so unfair we can come back in to the group later.[/QUOTE] Leaving and rejoining puts us into an objectively much shittier position, just for the benefit of a few whiny babies becoming [I]slightly [/I]less whiny? [editline]a[/editline] That's even assuming we'd be [I]allowed[/I] to rejoin.

If there were to be a second Brexit referendum that actually decided the fate of the country being in the EU, the Leave side really ought to lessen on the propaganda and actually lay down what leaving the country would actually, realistically achieve for the average, non-exporting working class. Something so drastic to the country's economy should obviously be laid out as thoroughly as it can be to the public, not wishy-washy "we give all our money to Brussels and receive nothing in return!!!!!". Also, I'd like Hell to be nice and snowy for when I get around to visiting.

[QUOTE=PsiSoldier;51430936]Leaving and rejoining puts us into an objectively much shittier position, just for the benefit of a few whiny babies becoming [I]slightly [/I]less whiny?[/QUOTE] Treating at least ten million people as "a few whiny babies" is no way to go about solving any problem in politics

But if Remain wins this time they'll have to have a tie-breaker and who can be arsed?

[QUOTE=FZE;51430952]But if Remain wins this time they'll have to have a tie-breaker and who can be arsed?[/QUOTE] Nah they would just take the 2nd referendum as the one to go by because it would be the result the government wants.

[QUOTE=PsiSoldier;51430936]Leaving and rejoining puts us into an objectively much shittier position, just for the benefit of a few whiny babies becoming [I]slightly [/I]less whiny? [editline]a[/editline] That's even assuming we'd be [I]allowed[/I] to rejoin.[/QUOTE] In theory and on paper yeah the UK would be allowed to rejoin. But then again this is the first time this sort of thing has happened.

[QUOTE=dunkace;51430964]Nah they would just take the 2nd referendum as the one to go by because it would be the result the government wants.[/QUOTE] or because it would represent real informed opinions and not shit fuelled by a campaign of lies.

Can I just point out that this 'Second Referendum' is supposed to offer the people the actual terms for leaving the EU, as opposed to sheer speculation by both sides like last time. So this isn't the same thing - it would be a real mandate for a real set of terms. I don't think the Executive is competent enough to draw those up pre-Article 50 so I think we're just fucked really.

Wouldn't a second referendum depend on how the rest of the EU feels towards the UK right now? After the first one most of the EU member governments seem to be pretty peeved and wanted you guys out as soon as possible, how would they react towards a second one?

[QUOTE=Crumpet;51431095]or because it would represent real informed opinions and not shit fuelled by a campaign of lies.[/QUOTE] Whats to say that the 2nd referendum wouldn't be anything but more shit fueled campaigning by both sides?

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51431194]Wouldn't a second referendum depend on how the rest of the EU feels towards the UK right now? After the first one most of the EU member governments seem to be pretty peeved and wanted you guys out as soon as possible, how would they react towards a second one?[/QUOTE] In Ireland we'd welcome it since us and Northern Ireland are going to be hard done by Brexit. Other European governments would probably be pissed that the UK keeps doing a "will I or won't I" sort of thing.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51431194]Wouldn't a second referendum depend on how the rest of the EU feels towards the UK right now? After the first one most of the EU member governments seem to be pretty peeved and wanted you guys out as soon as possible, how would they react towards a second one?[/QUOTE] No matter the outcome the other member states would probably like to see us leave because we keep delaying projects and proposals designed to better integrate the other member states and provide them with new avenues for defence and trade that we don't like. We have quite a history of vetoing things that would probably actually benefit us because "ewww working with French people". But we are one of the largest economies in the EU right now, so they'd take a bit of a knock if we left. So they put up with our dumb shit.