"Yeah! They are better then us rabble rabble rabble rabble!"
[QUOTE=Nexosz;27709016]fucking Valve
shitty ID
eat your dicks Bungie
wow you suck Sony CE
thats the way boy, we must hate big devs because they are big and successful
now lets wear our flathats, take our fancy scarves and play some minecraft[/QUOTE]
Whoah no need to flip a shit.
[QUOTE=Legend286;27709101]Whoah no need to flip a shit.[/QUOTE]
if this is flipping a shit, I am pretty sure being dead is the only one way to relax for you
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Also, this article is weird. Basically, he just says to make games easier to pirate. There's nothing about pluses, reasons, examples.
The pluses to making games easy to pirate is that you don't get shitty DRM that locks you out from using it despite legitimately owning it.
It also gives developers more time to work on the game instead of coding said buggy DRM (that normally affects the end-user more than it does the pirates).
[QUOTE=HiddenMyst;27709396]The pluses to making games easy to pirate is that you don't get shitty DRM that locks you out from using it despite legitimately owning it.
It also gives developers more time to work on the game instead of coding said buggy DRM (that normally affects the end-user more than it does the pirates).[/QUOTE]
[quote]this article is weird[/quote]
that means this RPS article is weird because it says that you should make games easier to pirate. Selling your software for 39 dollars and then uploading the newest versions to torrent and linking that torrent to your site? Oh boy!
Also, you typed the pluses of not making a [b]bad[/b] DRM. Good DRM can stop/annoy pirates who believe that everything should be free and devs wanting money are greedy bastards (Woho, I still remember that comment from TPB). Who said that you can't make a DRM that wont affect legit end-user?
everythin' is possible, baby
Article is dumb because he's talking about flash game pirates.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27708925]pirating indie games is wrong
:colbert:[/QUOTE]
Pirating in general is wrong, but indie devs are the only ones that can really feel the effect of it.
[QUOTE=clanratc;27709940]Pirating in general is wrong, but indie devs are the only ones that can really feel the effect of it.[/QUOTE]But most of the time their games are priced more than they're worth.
This article would bring up a hell of a shit storm if flaming would be allowed.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;27709980]But most of the time their games are priced more than they're worth.[/QUOTE]
Then you don't buy or pirate it. Then the price will go down, thats what happened with the original X-box for example.
[QUOTE=plappy03;27708941]That. I could care less about mainstream games. Screw big-time devs[/QUOTE]
[url]http://incompetech.com/gallimaufry/care_less.html[/url] Couldn't help myself.
[QUOTE=proch;27710037]This article would bring up a hell of a shit storm if flaming would be allowed.[/QUOTE]
people would die if killing was allowed
Also, after getting into his statement more, I think he just took too far the "Don't fight with pirates" statement. I mean, ignoring them and just doing your stuff is the best solution. It's like, when you want to drive slowly - travelling would take years. Drive normally - you'll get somewhere fast enough with no problems. Drive too fast - have a ticket and an empty wallet.
Also
[quote="definition of indie"]a pop group not affiliated with a major record company
an independent film company not associated with an established studio[/quote]
Last time I checked, valve is independent too. And so are other big devs. It's sad to see how small/one man companies changed the "indie" definition to show that big devs are horrible and you should support them instead. It's like giving an "ecologic" sign to a pack of cereal. [sp]ecology doesn't mean healthy, good food based on natural resources like plants etc[/sp]
[QUOTE=Nexosz;27710576]people would die if killing was allowed[/QUOTE]
No shit, sherlock. Also, are you implying that people don't die and are all invincible?
And what does have to do with that article?
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;27708925]pirating indie games is wrong
:colbert:[/QUOTE]
Why does it honestly make a difference whether it is an indie developer or not. You either pirate all games or don't pirate any, there isn't any moral shit here :v:.
[QUOTE=icemaz;27710981]Why does it honestly make a difference whether it is an indie developer or not. You either pirate all games or don't pirate any, there isn't any moral shit here :v:.[/QUOTE]
Probably because he thinks that "They need the money more than big time devs"
Which I think is a load of bollocks.
My opinion: Anyone who blindly defends pirates are pricks.
[QUOTE=proch;27710929]No shit, sherlock. Also, are you implying that people don't die and are all invincible?
And what does have to do with that article?[/QUOTE]
[quote]This article would bring up a hell of a shit storm if flaming would be allowed.[/quote]
Are you implying that people don't flame and are all nice and they follow the rules? And what does your previous comment has to do with that article?
your post was dumb and pointless and you should feel bad for writing it.
Also, I can't even see any reason inside that article to start a shitstorm. Stop overreacting.
[quote]My opinion: Anyone who blindly defends pirates are pricks.[/quote]
Anyone who [b]blindy[/b] defends anything is a prick. I can't find anything to make pirating stuff right tho, so I actually think that it is impossible to defend pirates with some valid argument. That pretty much means that being blind is the only one reason to defend pirates, wow
The only thing that would justify piracy is if you pirate something that isn't available where you are/isn't being distributed anymore.
[QUOTE=clanratc;27711364]The only thing that would justify piracy is if you pirate something that isn't available where you are/isn't being distributed anymore.[/QUOTE]
I was about to agree, but if someone really wants to play that game and support devs, just tell them. Or get a friend from different country. Or just travel abroad. Or get Steam.
Really it doesnt matter if you can come up with a valid argument of what is 'right and wrong'. You can shake your fist at pirates and call them bad names, but that is neither going to stop them nor make them care any more since what is right and wrong is defined on an individual basis.
All you can do is accept that it is there and wont be going away.
[QUOTE=Lilolia;27711412]Really it doesnt matter if you can come up with a valid argument of what is 'right and wrong'. You can shake your fist at pirates and call them bad names, but that is neither going to stop them nor make them care any more since what is right and wrong is defined on an individual basis.
All you can do is accept that it is there and wont be going away.[/QUOTE]
well we can at least make it harder to do (without making everything harder for legit customer of course)
We can ignore them, but never help them. We can't make something go away, but we can limit it from being even bigger. From my previous post :
[quote]Selling your software for 39 dollars and then uploading the newest versions to torrent and linking that torrent to your site? Oh boy![/quote]
[QUOTE=Nexosz;27709016][img]http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3321/aaascarcasm.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Fancy imagework, that. Thought it was real for a bit.
[QUOTE=clanratc;27709940]Pirating in general is wrong[/QUOTE]
I'd say charging 40 quid for a game, and then not even providing a demo for it is far more evil than piracy. People need to get off their shitty moral high ground and look at it from a consumer's point of view.
Gimme a demo and maybe I'll buy your crap.
[QUOTE=blubafoon;27712858]I'd say charging 40 quid for a game, and then not even providing a demo for it is far more evil than piracy. People need to get off their shitty moral high ground and look at it from a consumer's point of view.
Gimme a demo and maybe I'll buy your crap.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Demos are a great way of seeing if you'll enjoy the game, without having to gamble by downloading it. I especially like Darwinia's demo, which is in the style of a bit of a prequel and still shows off the main features of the game. More companies should do that, then they won't spoil part of the game's plot, but instead add to it.
[QUOTE=blubafoon;27712858]I'd say charging 40 quid for a game, and then not even providing a demo for it is far more evil than piracy. People need to get off their shitty moral high ground and look at it from a consumer's point of view.
Gimme a demo and maybe I'll buy your crap.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you that demos are essential for an interactive medium, as trailers won't cut it.
However I think that telling the companies that you didn't buy their latest game, because there was no demo, directly is more effective then just pirating it.
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