• Elon Musk on Trump: 'I think we may see some surprising things from the next administration'
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[QUOTE]Investors attending the event told Electrek that Musk said the following when his meeting with Trump came up: [QUOTE]The President-elect has a strong emphasis on US manufacturing and so do we. We are building the biggest factory in the world right here, creating US jobs… I think we may see some surprising things from the next administration. We don’t think they will be negative on fossil fuels… but they may also be positive on renewables.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] [url]https://electrek.co/2017/01/06/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-trump-surprising-things-from-the-next-administration-on-renewables/[/url]
Bit depressing that its 'surprising' they might not completely fuck the environment/renewables.
It's no secret that business interests are going to be the core of the next US administration. The question is, will it be to the determent of everything else?
18months from now: "SpaceX receives defence funding to develop the next generation of ICBM's, and an orbital launch platform."
Finally some encouraging news.
I wonder if Corporations would be willing to pay more taxes if it meant Trump-like leniency. Is there something in political theory to that effect?
[QUOTE=Bradyns;51631710]18months from now: "SpaceX receives defence funding to develop the next generation of ICBM's, and an orbital launch platform."[/QUOTE] War spurs innovation. If thats what it takes to get us off earth quicker, then so be it.
I could totally see under Trump's administration that we'll have a spike in the private space industry, which honestly is a blessing. If we can get an actual stable moon colony going, and then bring men and women to do mining operations, stuff would get interesting real quick.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51631778]War spurs innovation. If thats what it takes to get us off earth quicker, then so be it.[/QUOTE] No thank you, I don't like needless death.
Well the money is going to be in EV's in the next coming years, not surprising given the business interests
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51631778]War spurs innovation. If thats what it takes to get us off earth quicker, then so be it.[/QUOTE] What's the point in taking us off Earth if there's no one left on Earth anyway?
We can nuke ourselves and leave the planet all in one fell swoop.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;51631870]We can nuke ourselves and leave the planet all in one fell swoop.[/QUOTE] t. Stanislaw Ulam, circa 1955
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51631778]War spurs innovation. If thats what it takes to get us off earth quicker, then so be it.[/QUOTE] war doesn't spur innovation though, at best all it does is redirect intellectual efforts and resources towards military innovation, giving the illusion of increased innovation
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51631778]War spurs innovation. If thats what it takes to get us off earth quicker, then so be it.[/QUOTE] This train of thought always reminds me of the Futurists of the early 20th century. Young people full of energy, aggression, patriotism, and a knack for glorifying and romanticizing war. Then the ugly realities of World War 1 shut them up. I should hope we won't have to learn the same lesson the same hard way. I mean seriously, what you're saying sound like the pitch for a one-off Saturday morning cartoon villain, right next to war machine profiteers arguing that child soldiering builds character earlier.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51631778]War spurs innovation. If thats what it takes to get us off earth quicker, then so be it.[/QUOTE] war spurs innovation that has to do with war.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;51631761]I wonder if Corporations would be willing to pay more taxes if it meant Trump-like leniency. Is there something in political theory to that effect?[/QUOTE] trump wants them to bring that cash in from overseas, he wants to only tax them 5% on it but the issue is that we did this under bush at a higher rate, it didn't raise any money, they didnt stop doing this and the problem has only grown worse [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] see we don't have the time to afford another do-everything decade like the 80s, climate change is going to just bite harder and harder as long term predictions set in
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51631778]War spurs innovation. If thats what it takes to get us off earth quicker, then so be it.[/QUOTE] the deaths of thousands and maybe millions is not worth the, say, enhanced battery length on phones we get from adaptations of whatever the military cooks up that aids killing foes.
Problems spur innovation. The innovation solves the problem. The problem in war is how can I kill of more of those guys while keeping my guys alive.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51631973]Problems spur innovation. The innovation solves the problem. The problem in war is how can I kill of more of those guys while keeping my guys alive.[/QUOTE] This thread has really derailed. But you make it sound like we haven't gained a lot of technology from war or the threat of it. That's very wrong.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;51631710]18months from now: "SpaceX receives defence funding to develop the next generation of ICBM's, and an orbital launch platform."[/QUOTE] I wouldn't mind seeing an orbital laser in function... As long as its never used... So, a waste of cash....
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51631778]War spurs innovation. If thats what it takes to get us off earth quicker, then so be it.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah so where has that so called innovation been the past 20 years. I mean we've been in a state of puerperal war for nearly that long. So where the fuck is all this innovation. Oh wait NASA got their budget cut.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51632071]Oh yeah so where has that so called innovation been the past 20 years. I mean we've been in a state of puerperal war for nearly that long. So where the fuck is all this innovation. Oh wait NASA got their budget cut.[/QUOTE] The nation the US is at war with needs to be sufficiently advanced to spur further (military) innovation, which hasn't been the case since the cold war ended.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51631893]war doesn't spur innovation though, at best all it does is redirect intellectual efforts and resources towards military innovation, giving the illusion of increased innovation[/QUOTE] I disagree, we wouldnt have gone to the moon or done half the shit we did in space if it werent for the cold war and the practical use for rocketry in ICBMs. Not to mention shit like the microwave, jet engine, and tons of other stuff that came out of the second world war. Not to mention the production that came out of second world war brought the US out of the depression. [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;51631921]This train of thought always reminds me of the Futurists of the early 20th century. Young people full of energy, aggression, patriotism, and a knack for glorifying and romanticizing war. Then the ugly realities of World War 1 shut them up. I should hope we won't have to learn the same lesson the same hard way. I mean seriously, what you're saying sound like the pitch for a one-off Saturday morning cartoon villain, right next to war machine profiteers arguing that child soldiering builds character earlier.[/QUOTE] Its not pretty and Im not condoning it, but its true. [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=MR-X;51632071]Oh yeah so where has that so called innovation been the past 20 years. I mean we've been in a state of puerperal war for nearly that long. So where the fuck is all this innovation. Oh wait NASA got their budget cut.[/QUOTE] Its because the US hasnt faced a real threat since the cold war. Theres no sense in dumping money into RnD when your enemy lives in caves. And for the record, theres been large leaps in the past few years in military tech. Drones, rail guns, laser weaponry, stealth tech, ect.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51631778]War spurs innovation. If thats what it takes to get us off earth quicker, then so be it.[/QUOTE] I hope you're sent to the front lines then
[QUOTE=MadPro119;51632033]This thread has really derailed. But you make it sound like we haven't gained a lot of technology from war or the threat of it. That's very wrong.[/QUOTE] War does spur innovation because it is a problem that needs to be solved, is what I'm saying. War is not inherently innovative.
The US has been at war for nearly 20 years now in Afghanistan; please explain the numerous innovations that have resulted from that conflict. [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] Especially the ones that will help and grow humanity as a whole, not just the ones that help kill people faster.
wtf i like Trump now.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51632357]The US has been at war for nearly 20 years now in Afghanistan; please explain the numerous innovations that have resulted from that conflict. [editline]6th January 2017[/editline] Especially the ones that will help and grow humanity as a whole, not just the ones that help kill people faster.[/QUOTE] The war in afghanistan isnt even actually a war and we don't really need technological innovation to kill a bunch of third world rag-tag insurgents. I think what they're trying to get across is that an arms race spurs innovation. The threat of nuclear war and total annihilation isn't good by any means but the side effect of all that military innovation like nuclear power, memory foam, microwaves, etc. is a plus especially when you manage to win that arms race peacefully. [editline]now[/editline] Just take a look at computers for example. They started out as huge machines made for calculating where to shoot artillery and now we have something infinitely more powerful in the pockets of almost every person that lets us access all the world's information.
Musk isn't going to be saying anything critical of Trump because he understands that if he wants a favorable environment for his businesses he's going to have to play the game.
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