Chicago tops 700 homicides for 2016 (and still 1 month to go) - Polidicks

[t]http://files.cantolearn.com/atlantique/2016/12/ct-photo-gallery-chicago-shooting-scenes-20160-039.jpg[/t] [quote] The 701 homicides through Wednesday marked [b]a nearly 56 percent jump from the 450 killings a year earlier[/b]. With one month still to go, that represents the most homicides since 704 in 1998. There were 761 homicides in 1997... "The police are doing their job," Johnson [Superintendent of the Chicago Police Department] told reporters. "What we need help in is holding these repeat gun offenders accountable for this gun violence, and until we do that, we're going to continue to see the cycle of violence..." "It's really a culture of death," he [Rev. Marshall Hatch] said. "There's a lot of fear and a lot of assumption that they're not going to live long." [/quote] [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-700-homicides-met-20161201-story.html[/url]

Why is this year significantly more violent than the last?

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51464844]Why is this year significantly more violent than the last?[/QUOTE] Gun and repeat offenders basically get slaps on the wrist every time, and police morale has dropped since this year's Laquan McDonald shooting incident as scrutiny on the department was increased. There's also a new piece of legislature that requires cops to fill out a bunch of paperwork for something as simple as a traffic stop because everyone is so concerned about there being racial profiling involved. Why stop someone if you're probably gonna find nothing and then have to fill out a ton of paperwork? [editline]a[/editline] [QUOTE=-nesto-;51464879]They replaced the competent police chief with a bumbling idiot for starters.[/QUOTE] This too. McCarthy (former superintendent) was just Rahm's (mayor) fall guy... which is a shame since he was actually competent.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51464844]Why is this year significantly more violent than the last?[/QUOTE] They replaced the competent police chief with a bumbling idiot for starters.

I can see why it was voted one of the most fun cities. Dodging street confrontations is fun.

Holy shit. In 2014 Canada had 516 homicides [i]total[/i], how is it this bad?

Good to see some of the strictest gun control in the country and being a proud sanctuary city is really working for them.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;51465815]Good to see some of the strictest gun control in the country and being a proud sanctuary city is really working for them.[/QUOTE] It's more complicated than that.

[QUOTE=Elspin;51465808]Holy shit. In 2014 Canada had 516 homicides [i]total[/i], how is it this bad?[/QUOTE] Welcome to the reason the US has a high gun murder rate.

[QUOTE=Elspin;51465808]Holy shit. In 2014 Canada had 516 homicides [i]total[/i], how is it this bad?[/QUOTE] Well Chicago has about 2 million or so people living there, so its natural it would have more gun crime just because of the massive population. Its also got some rampant poverty issues among a ton of other things that are very conducive to gun violence and crime in general. [editline]3rd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;51465815]Good to see some of the strictest gun control in the country and being a proud sanctuary city is really working for them.[/QUOTE] The issues there dont really have much to do with the cities stance on gun control. Gun crime is a consequence of a series of problems, gun control not being one of them.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51465836]It's more complicated than that.[/QUOTE] Depends on what point you are trying to make. If your point is simply that gun control is ineffective, it really is that simple. CT is one of the most anal retentive states about guns in the country. Chicago makes CT look like they pass out m-16s alongside the shitty Sodexo pizza you get in middle school. Yet inner city Chicago stands as one of the most violent shitholes in any western nation.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;51465815]Good to see some of the strictest gun control in the country and being a proud sanctuary city is really working for them.[/QUOTE] Good to see you don't have a clue what you're talking about seeing as most guns found in the city are from areas with less gun control. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/29/us/where-50000-guns-in-chicago-came-from.html?_r=0[/url]

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;51465860]Good to see you don't have a clue what you're talking about seeing as most guns found in the city are from areas with less gun control. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/29/us/where-50000-guns-in-chicago-came-from.html?_r=0[/url][/QUOTE] All that article really does is prove his point dood. Hes saying that Chicago gun bans and gun control doesnt work when people are just bringing in guns from outside the city.

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;51465860]Good to see you don't have a clue what you're talking about seeing as most guns found in the city are from areas with less gun control. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/29/us/where-50000-guns-in-chicago-came-from.html?_r=0[/url][/QUOTE] Which reinforces the point that it's not very effective. Guns are just being moved in illegally because it's easier and cheaper. Now they have no way of even properly tracking them because they aren't legally registered in the first place.

Lmao this is happening as a background to everyone cheering a wealthy guy on a cable show 'destroying' tomi lahren on BLM shit just writes itself

I guess I should expand on what I'm trying to say. The extensive deaths going on in Chicago are not a singular issue, its a history lesson. It's not just about guns it goes back to the early 1900s where neighborhoods were separated based on ethnicity. Race riots perpetrated by the Irish, Polish, and Lithuanians. Then you have the highways being established separating neighborhoods like walls. In fact Chicago is probably the most segregated city in the nation. Chicago is my hometown, I love my city. I hurts me to see so many people being hurt there. But pointing the finger at gun control and it being a sanctuary city and saying "that's the issue that's it" is objectively wrong. its far more complicated than that.

[QUOTE=Elspin;51465808]Holy shit. In 2014 Canada had 516 homicides [i]total[/i], how is it this bad?[/QUOTE] That's an amazingly low number. Even if I correct for population size, it's barely more than half of what you see here.

chicago isn't the only place to have segregated neighborhoods and roads separating them, that happened out here in new york a long time ago. hell, a lot of people will tell you that robert moses specifically built roads to keep blacks and whites separate. also, while poor gun control may not be the sole factor, there is no denying it's now a huge contributor.

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;51465930]I guess I should expand on what I'm trying to say. The extensive deaths going on in Chicago are not a singular issue, its a history lesson. It's not just about guns it goes back to the early 1900s where neighborhoods were separated based on ethnicity. Race riots perpetrated by the Irish, Polish, and Lithuanians. Then you have the highways being established separating neighborhoods like walls. In fact Chicago is probably the most segregated city in the nation. Chicago is my hometown, I love my city. I hurts me to see so many people being hurt there. But pointing the finger at gun control and it being a sanctuary city and saying "that's the issue that's it" is objectively wrong. its far more complicated than that.[/QUOTE] You're essentially agreeing with the point you are trying to argue against, or at the very least not raising any argument against it. Calling gun control an absolute failure in Chicago doesn't imply that there aren't other deep seated issues. Chicago has a whole host of problems. Gun incidents are a symptom of those problems, not the root cause. It's perfectly reasonable to be snarky about any proposal to be even harsher on guns. It hasn't done anything so far. Why would more of the same produce different results?

[QUOTE=God of Ashes;51465930]I guess I should expand on what I'm trying to say. The extensive deaths going on in Chicago are not a singular issue, its a history lesson. It's not just about guns it goes back to the early 1900s where neighborhoods were separated based on ethnicity. Race riots perpetrated by the Irish, Polish, and Lithuanians. Then you have the highways being established separating neighborhoods like walls. In fact Chicago is probably the most segregated city in the nation. Chicago is my hometown, I love my city. I hurts me to see so many people being hurt there. But pointing the finger at gun control and it being a sanctuary city and saying "that's the issue that's it" is objectively wrong. its far more complicated than that.[/QUOTE] No one is saying that gun control is a direct cause of the violence there, but for the reasons you just described among many others, gun control in Chicagk has been a horrible failure.