• Dutch police has taught eagles to hunt drones
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[QUOTE]Police in the Netherlands are ready to deploy a team of eagles to take down rogue drones, in a bid to protect airspace over airports and other sensitive areas. As the AFP reports, Dutch police have been training the eagles since 2015, and announced on Tuesday that the tests were successful. They conducted their first public demonstration with the birds, and will deploy them whenever a drone is believed to pose a threat to the public.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/13/12900596/netherlands-drone-hunting-eagles[/url] [video=vimeo;182361523]https://vimeo.com/182361523[/video]
That eagle's police cap is hilarious
Yeah and I still don't understand how this is not gonna hurt birds with those bigger drones. Even if they put armor on the feet there's still the risk of wings or flight feathers hitting the props and don't tell me that a prop can't cut through some feathers. In the demo they turned off the drone as soon as the bird reached to it on the ground. You could hear a prop hitting the bird while it was spinning down. What if the drone operator decides to take off again?
What will they do when guns are strapped to the drones to shoot at the eagles
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51052039]What will they do when guns are strapped to the drones to shoot at the eagles[/QUOTE] Mount guns on the eagles
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51052039]What will they do when guns are strapped to the drones to shoot at the eagles[/QUOTE] eagle body armour
So this is a terrible idea. People already get injured by drones so what do you think it's gonna do to birds? Just use that net launcher someone was showing off or even a jamming signal. Anything but injuring birds for the sake of PR.
[QUOTE=maurits150;51052025]Yeah and I still don't understand how this is not gonna hurt birds with those bigger drones. Even if they put armor on the feet there's still the risk of wings or flight feathers hitting the props and don't tell me that a prop can't cut through some feathers. In the demo they turned off the drone as soon as the bird reached to it on the ground. You could hear a prop hitting the bird while it was spinning down. What if the drone operator decides to take off again?[/QUOTE] It's trained to take down these drones idiots buy and fly around airports with. Everyone with a drone that's bigger than a phantom has to build one himself(usually), or pay someone else a lot of money to buy one. The chances of the buyer or builder of such a drone is more likely to be a responsible pilot that stays the fuck away from airport airspace.
Guys, its not like this bird just grabs every drone it sees. The police first clearly identify the drone before taking further action, the Dutch police already has access to other drone-destroying alternatives but this is only used for locations where the police just can't bust through, like said before this is done for taking down filming drones at airports, hospitals and other sensitive locations
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;51051948]That eagle's police cap is hilarious[/QUOTE] They forgot to cut the eye holes [img]http://i.imgur.com/ZpMOh3v.png?1[/img]
[QUOTE=maurits150;51052025]Yeah and I still don't understand how this is not gonna hurt birds with those bigger drones. Even if they put armor on the feet there's still the risk of wings or flight feathers hitting the props and don't tell me that a prop can't cut through some feathers. In the demo they turned off the drone as soon as the bird reached to it on the ground. You could hear a prop hitting the bird while it was spinning down. What if the drone operator decides to take off again?[/QUOTE] Do you think the police haven't thought of that? Seriously why do people do this? You come into a thread where experts have spent over a year working on a project and you think you've debunked their whole theory with the first idea that came to your mind?
Strawman arguments everywhere. They'd obviously use this for smaller drones. Hell, even if they did us this for larger drones it would be in a sacrificial manner to stop a drone attacking a government official or something of that sort.
What they can train to do with an eagle for thousands of dollars, anyone of their officers could do with a hunting shotgun for hundreds. Waste of time and money.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51052778]What they can train to do with an eagle for thousands of dollars, anyone of their officers could do with a hunting shotgun for hundreds. Waste of time and money.[/QUOTE] They are training these eagles to take down rogue drones near airports and hospitals. You know, areas where there are lots of people around. And surely you understand that what comes up, the bullets or whatever (especially if they miss) and the drone itself, must come back down to the ground? In a crowded area?
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;51052478]They forgot to cut the eye holes [img]http://i.imgur.com/ZpMOh3v.png?1[/img][/QUOTE] No they didn't. That's the point. Hoods aren't for show. They're used to keep the bird calm and prevent it from catching sight of an unintended target while on the hunt.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51052542]Do you think the police haven't thought of that? Seriously why do people do this? You come into a thread where experts have spent over a year working on a project and you think you've debunked their whole theory with the first idea that came to your mind?[/QUOTE] Because maybe we are experienced in this field or something?? As a falconer I can tell you many of the UK's leading falconers are against this for worry of it damaging the bird. Birds are pretty delicate after all. There are many safer and cheaper options than this.
irony is , if drone got that close, the target is already dead also those are toy drones ... profi drone can have metal based rotor blades and quite higher rpm as result there is high chance the eagle gets wounded wanna drone security ? just get automated point defense system to hardkill it
[QUOTE=Dwarden;51054011]irony is , if drone got that close, the target is already dead also those are toy drones ... profi drone can have metal based rotor blades and quite higher rpm as result there is high chance the eagle gets wounded wanna drone security ? just get automated point defense system to hardkill it[/QUOTE] ??????? Already dead? Do you think people are slinging around ac130's? "just get automated point defense system to hardkill it" Like a Phalanx? That's definitely a reasonable response. Also affordable.
[QUOTE=Dwarden;51054011]irony is , if drone got that close, the target is already dead also those are toy drones ... profi drone can have metal based rotor blades and quite higher rpm as result there is high chance the eagle gets wounded wanna drone security ? just get automated point defense system to hardkill it[/QUOTE] Yeah but these eagles are pretty much just for disabling drones that fly around airports and stuff. To be honest I doubt the Dutch will ever have to use these eagles.
if the drone was carrying anything what can explode like defensive grenade or mines (w/e with massive fragmentation and range) then yes, the target would be dead ... so the whole demonstration is for the avg media 'wow' reality of use, zero
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51052542]Do you think the police haven't thought of that? Seriously why do people do this? You come into a thread where experts have spent over a year working on a project and you think you've debunked their whole theory with the first idea that came to your mind?[/QUOTE] Because shotguns with bird shot exist. It will safely disable a drone. Contrary to popular belief, a single gunshot largely gets ignored. A gunshot in a place that has ridiculously loud aircraft flying around all the time would go unnoticed completely. [editline]15th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=sb27;51052945]They are training these eagles to take down rogue drones near airports and hospitals. You know, areas where there are lots of people around. And surely you understand that what comes up, the bullets or whatever (especially if they miss) and the drone itself, must come back down to the ground? In a crowded area?[/QUOTE] The drone itself is unlikely to land on anyone. Plus there is an excellent chance of the bird dropping the drone. Bird shot, which is what you would use here, has been used for more than a century to shoot flying things because the pellets are so small that they lose energy rapidly and are not lethal at terminal velocity or even in a ballistic arc.
Just get other drones with nets, way more effective and less stupid than this.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51054204]Just get other drones with nets, way more effective and less stupid than this.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;RKvf_gpVVU4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKvf_gpVVU4[/video] The Japanese are one step ahead!
[QUOTE=PredGD;51051882][url]http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/13/12900596/netherlands-drone-hunting-eagles[/url] [video=vimeo;182361523]https://vimeo.com/182361523[/video][/QUOTE] No doubt we'll see some injuries or potential dead eagles in the future. Any larger one with someone not powering it down can cause a lot of damage
Nets are cool and all, but just check those videos of drone racing and I doubt you'll ever catch someone who can drone race.
[QUOTE=Dwarden;51054161]if the drone was carrying anything what can explode like defensive grenade or mines (w/e with massive fragmentation and range) then yes, the target would be dead ... so the whole demonstration is for the avg media 'wow' reality of use, zero[/QUOTE] Who the hell attaches a drone with a grenade its not exactly easy to buy grenades, and if this was a 'terrorist' then the eagle would still have done its job, saving lives. Also, buying point to point defense systems would be EXTREMELY expensive for the Dutch. just no to everything
Or... here's a better idea: [img]http://www.janes.com/images/assets/397/60397/1679519_-_main.jpg[/img] Just use a drone jammer.
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