Epic of Gilgamesh from Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "Darmok"
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One of many favorite episodes of mine and one of my favorite scenes throughout the series, the idea of an alien species that can't be understood due to a completely alien way of speaking that the universal translators can translate, but can't decipher due to said speech being composed entirely of metaphors, derived from their own species myths and legends was an interesting one.
I see your Darmok and raise you In the Pale Moonlight
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw[/media]
[QUOTE=Thlis;52645351]I see your Darmok and raise you In the Pale Moonlight
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw[/media][/QUOTE]
I raise you with an underrated moment.
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Star Trek scene thread it is then.
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Probably the most meaningful one for me tbh
what would a hyper advanced civilization be to a primitive one? other than gods?
There are tribes way the hell out in obscure locations on this planet alone that end up pretty much freak out the moment they see a plane or helicopter, or hell, even just hear it. They have no idea how perfectly normal that is.
Here's a beautiful moment that always stuck with me from tng
[video=youtube;MQPxDh5PmhQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQPxDh5PmhQ[/video]
[editline]3rd September 2017[/editline]
And another really inspiring scene as well from ds9
[video=youtube;GqhzMBb0jwg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqhzMBb0jwg[/video]
[QUOTE=jonu67;52645245]One of many favorite episodes of mine and one of my favorite scenes throughout the series, the idea of an alien species that can't be understood due to a completely alien way of speaking that the universal translators can translate, but can't decipher due to said speech being composed entirely of metaphors, derived from their own species myths and legends was an interesting one.[/QUOTE]
The idea of a language that is entirely made up of pop culture references is impossible, but hey, it was what made the story work. Amping up a real thing to make a point in a story is totally fine.
Because yeah, even human languages rely on knowing a whole lot of culture and stories. Just to understand English, you need to know some history - "Benedict Arnold", "Kafkaesque", "Luddite" - and literature - "Sophie's Choice", "Achilles's Heel", "Macgyver". Hell, there's the subtle difference between a Leninist and a Lennonist. Even professional translators get tripped up by references sometimes - Nikita Khrushchev was fond of the phrase "pokazat Kuzkinu mat komu libo", "to show Kuzka's mother to someone", which constantly tripped up translators. It means something like "to teach someone a lesson".
Linguistic reference to shared stories is why Tolkien wrote anything at all - he was a linguist, a professor of language at Oxford, and he was tinkering with a constructed language to get a better understanding of stuff, but he felt it needed myths and legends for it to be real, and so he made some, and long story short, now nerds can try to learn like three different types of elvish so they can try to actually understand The Silmarillion.
So when we do meet aliens for the first time, we're going to have a lot of culture to learn before we can have more than limited conversations. Assuming the aliens speak by sound, of course, and that the sound is within human hearing range, and that the sounds are even vaguely pronounceable by human biology...
Frankly, this is one of the finest moments in Star Trek history.
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And by finest, I meant fuckin' weirdest.
Possibly one of the best moments of season 1 of DS9
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you all are posting clips but you'll never get more... interesting than the animated series
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Where the crew meets and befriends Lucifer on a magical wizard world before he gets judged by that world and uses magical powers in order to save Lucifer
[QUOTE=Thlis;52645351]I see your Darmok and raise you In the Pale Moonlight
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Best episode of Star Trek ever made.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52645682]you all are posting clips but you'll never get more... interesting than the animated series
Where the crew meets and befriends Lucifer on a magical wizard world before he gets judged by that world and uses magical powers in order to save Lucifer[/QUOTE]
Star Trek TAS is amazing.
It also introduced [URL="http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Spock_Two"]Spock Two[/URL] who is a 50-foot clone of Spock with godly powers.
[QUOTE=Captain;52645862]Star Trek TAS is amazing.
It also introduced [URL="http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Spock_Two"]Spock Two[/URL] who is a 50-foot clone of Spock with godly powers.[/QUOTE]
no, please
Remember when they could have wiped the borg out but decided not to because LaForge befriended one
that made me mad
[editline]4th September 2017[/editline]
I wish they decided to do it in the end instead, like "Ok clearly this is the best choice" but failed somehow.
Like I totally respect that by doing that they would have dehumanized everything they worked towards... but the whole message at the end would have worked for any race other than the Borg. It didn't work for the Daleks either mates.
I always loved this scene tbh
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VhSm6G7cVk[/media]
People who say star trek is dumb and for nerds haven't watched star trek. It's an incredible journey, filled with thought provoking shit, not to mention very well written stuff like this.
That is, until nutrek. And probably Discovery.
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Dukat is the perfect villain. He's technically right in this scene, but he always chooses the path of conflict rather than cooperation. He could have bonded with Sisko on this moment but he twists it into an insult, his pride is what makes him a villain. But then they ruin his character in the last season and I still cry.
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Easily one of my favourite moments from DS9.
I used to look down on DS9, but after watching it completely, I have to say it's hands down my favourite Star Trek series. Hell, just watching that clip makes me want to watch the series again.
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Dukat is the perfect villain. He's technically right in this scene, but he always chooses the path of conflict rather than cooperation. He could have bonded with Sisko on this moment but he twists it into an insult, his pride is what makes him a villain. But then they ruin his character in the last season and I still cry.[/QUOTE]
I kind of took that scene as Dukat wishing his son would look back on his 11th birthday like Sisko described but knew he'd look back with hatred and was saddened by that
[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;52647244]I kind of took that scene as Dukat wishing his son would look back on his 11th birthday like Sisko described but knew he'd look back with hatred and was saddened by that[/QUOTE]
Thats what he says but you can tell by the way he says it and the way he looks at Sisko, and Sisko's reaction that he's just saying it to throw Sisko's goodwill in his face.
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let's throw in a quark rant
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