• Marxist Feminism, Marriage and MGTOW
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[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7NoryHAX0[/media] I thought this was a pretty interesting video even if he goes overboard in a few places imo
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[QUOTE=MadPro119;51565086] even if he goes overboard in a few places imo[/QUOTE] You don't say, I don't even like a lot of modern feminism but this guy just comes across as a fucking nutcase. I was half expecting him to start blaming the Jews mid way through.
Think people need to learn the difference between marxism and cultural marxism. One was never actually supported by marx so it's weird to have his face plastered allover it.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51565432]I watched 30 minutes of Chicago Natural History Museum Brainscoop skin and gut a wolf this morning wothout flinching but I couldnt last more than a minute into this Can anyone summarize[/QUOTE] Third wave feminism tells western women today to believe they are oppressed by men. It tells them they are being oppressed by all things masculine. It has abused peoples tendency to worry more about female issues than male issues. The first example is the wage gap myth. Men work more hours over all and tend to choose more skilled or dangerous occupations but this is ignored by media and even political candidates. Women will almost always receive significantly shorter prison sentences than men for the same crime. Affirmative action has begun to rise in education and the work place. Mens rights events and conferences are protested today despite focusing on legitimate concerns such as mental health, custody rights, unfair divorces, etc. Feminists boycotting these events lack empathy for men. Men are opting out of society today and instead are going their own way, you can see this in movements like "Men go their own way". Proceeds to show statistics indicating the importance of a male role model or a father in a home. [quote]63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average. 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average. 85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Center for Disease Control) 80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes --14 times the average. (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26) 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (National Principals Association Report) 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average. (Rainbows for All God’s Children) 70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average. (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988) 85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average. (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction) [url]http://fallenfathers.blogspot.com/2007/03/children-without-fathers-statistics.html[/url] [/quote] Modern feminism suggests that men and women are interchangeable and that gender is a social construct. This feminism maintains men and women end up in different career paths due to oppression and the patriarchy, not due to any inherent differences. It's actively working to undermine men today by focusing on all masculinity and its "toxicity". You can see this through the attack on "man spreading", "man splaining", standing while peeing, and even holding doors open for women. A man, Gregory Alan Eliott, recently went to court for disagreeing with feminists on twitter. Thankfully, he was found not guilty. [quote]But Elliott's tweets contained nothing of a "violent or sexual nature," and there was no indication he intended to hurt them, Knazan said. In his tweets, Elliott was largely explaining himself and furthering his views "however offensive or wrong they may be," the judge said, while recognizing the language could be "vulgar and sometimes obscene." [url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/twitter-harassment-trial-verdict-1.3415112[/url] [/quote] Again, men are shunning relationships with women and going their own way and entering more male dominated spaces such as gaming. Depictions in pop culture show women needing men like a fish need a bicycle. Yet men are overgrown man babies that desperately need validation of a perfect female partner. Women report being much less happy in today's world. Women seeking to be stay at home mothers are shamed for the impulse. Women who would like to be mothers should be celebrated as they once were. Fathers and mothers are very important to a functioning society. When both parents work the state can access and raise children from a young age. This reduces the impact of parents and helps indoctrinate children. Taxation wins when both parents work and pay for childcare. Women suicide and depression rates are higher than ever.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51565549]Think people need to learn the difference between marxism and cultural marxism. One was never actually supported by marx so it's weird to have his face plastered allover it.[/QUOTE] cultural marxism is a concept literally actually invented by nazis to delegitimize social progress
[QUOTE=Judas;51565607]cultural marxism is a concept literally actually invented by nazis to delegitimize social progress[/QUOTE] So that's why I heard it among certain communities.
cultural marxism is a conspiracy term akin to ZOG or "white genocide"
This is the guy who came up with the term "marxist-sargonism," referring to [B]SARGON OF AKKAD[/B] safe to say he's an expert on marxism if I do say so myself.
[QUOTE=MadPro119;51565569] Again, men are shunning relationships with women and going their own way and entering more male dominated spaces such as gaming. [/QUOTE] Man, can you blame anime for Japan's dwindling population as well, while you're at it?
haha mgtow posts i thought i was off reddit wew
You know I'd like to like MRAs (ignoring psychopathic mgtows) if they actually gave a damn and fought for their issues such as ameliorating male suicide. Acting in your own self-interest reasonably is pretty neat in my eyes. But rather than activism and seriously studying and analysing the cause of these issues, they spend their time complaining about feminism. And it's not just on the internet, if you watch their meetings they do much of the same too. My fantasy world where feminists and MRAs have a dialogue and mutual activism to understand and help gender dynamics in society I guess.
[QUOTE=KillRay;51565868]haha mgtow posts i thought i was off reddit wew[/QUOTE] This isn't about the perks of MGTOW. This is about analyzing the socio-economic situation that has lead to that symptom. [editline]21st December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=gufu;51565824]Man, can you blame anime for Japan's dwindling population as well, while you're at it?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying gaming is the cause of people shunning relationships. Please watch the fucking video before commenting.
MGTOW = men going out of their way to moan about feminism??
Funny. When I look up the reasons for increasing suicide rates of women (men are killing themselves more as well), I get reasons such as [quote=https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/26/suicide-rate-rising-american-women-cdc-report]Professional life leaves to the side their desires for children, for family, for love. Women need to contend with a lack of child-care support and maternity leave, as well as male dominance in the workplace. Compounding this is the fact that being a sexual woman is still a series of confused and contradictory images of empowerment that smell of subjugation. All of this leaves women incredibly vulnerable to shame, which is the outpost at the boundary of depression. These pressures and pains are not easily given voice by either the women or the young girls I see; I often have to pry them from around the edges of what they are saying.[/quote] and finding out that in China, a rare example of the women suicide rate being higher than men, [quote=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/young-chinese-women-are-committing-suicide-at-a-terrifying-rate/]In countryside communities, money can be tight and traditions are often strictly adhered to. Women become brides earlier than in cities and the notion of marrying "into” a family is taken literally, with newlyweds often living with their in-laws. Escape is not easy; a popular saying is that married women are like “poured out water” to her birth family - given away and never able to make it back into the nest – or bucket at that. Married women may have to adhere to their new family's rules, often resulting in tension. Divorce is much rarer than in cities. "Going back to live at their mother's home is very embarrassing for a woman's family," explains Xie Lihua.[/quote] I don't see any evidence of this so-called super scary "Marxism in a skirt" (lmao) being the cause of increased suicide rates. The first source looks more towards increasing economic hardship as a much greater reason that women kill themselves. Here's a helpful graph. [img]http://equitablegrowth.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/102014-wealth-web-01.jpg[/img] It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone here that, lately, the wealth gap is widening, and that the middle class is shrinking. We are getting richer rich and poorer poor. With poverty comes a myriad of problems, and a lower quality of life. Now you can't have a big family, you can't pay off your bills and debts, your luxuries get less and less and your hours get longer because you need money to stave off homelessness. It isn't the 50s anymore, a man on minimum wage can no longer support a family. A couple on minimum wage can barely support themselves. It's so much easier to paint this as a money problem rather than women suddenly getting suicidal because men aren't holding the doors open for them anymore. The second source literally flies in the face of this "ew feminism" argument. In China, women are especially coveted because there are so many more men than women. Not only that, gender roles are very strong, as are familial expectations. This, tied with the fact that Chinese are poorer on average than Americans, leads to literally both problems at once. Trying to paint the increasing economic anxiety and deteriorating mental health of people on 3rd wave feminism is ill-informed at best and literally trying to justify regressive viewpoints at worst.
You make a lot of good points. I was going to say the poor today live a better life than the poor of the 50's yet are still committing suicide at higher rates but this doesn't seem true. [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Suicide-deaths-per-100000-trend.jpg[/img] However I do wonder how the stats would show this problem when including attempted suicide. Suicide used to be a lot easier, and today many attempts that would have worked in the past, don't.
[QUOTE=idiot;51565761]cultural marxism is a conspiracy term akin to ZOG or "white genocide"[/QUOTE] Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School are wholeheartedly responsible in my eyes for the creation of identity politics. Basically, people are attempting to liberate themselves from everyone else, and then isolate themselves into safe-spaces to black out everyone's ideas and opinions. In otherwords, it's a double edged sword. It's a good thing because it taught people to fight for themselves and what they believe in, but it also created the perfect conditions for people to get some serious victim complexes.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51566440]Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School are wholeheartedly responsible in my eyes for the creation of identity politics. Basically, people are attempting to liberate themselves from everyone else, and then isolate themselves into safe-spaces to black out everyone's ideas and opinions. In otherwords, it's a double edged sword. It's a good thing because it taught people to fight for themselves and what they believe in, but it also created the perfect conditions for people to get some serious victim complexes.[/QUOTE] there is no one in this world that actually agrees with or supports "cultural marxism" because it doesn't fucking exist, it's a nazi propaganda scheme
Guys the video is talking about just normal Marxism. Like the communist kind, not "cultural Marxism".
i took a quick look at the sources under the video [URL]http://www.thumotic.com/feminism-depression-epidemic/[/URL] your feminism depression statistic comes from a site where this is a main tab [IMG]http://puu.sh/sXnzQ/e18a280992.png[/IMG] [editline]22nd December 2016[/editline] sources also include: dailymail, breitbart, AVoiceForMen (a MGTOW and MRA site) and "anongalactic" lol ill pass on the video.
[QUOTE=Judas;51566475]there is no one in this world that actually agrees with or supports "cultural marxism" because it doesn't fucking exist, it's a nazi propaganda scheme[/QUOTE] It does exist though..? [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory]It's known under the name [I]Critical Theory[/I][/url]. It legitimately is teaching people with philosophical ideas within an educational setting, and using it to influence the ideology of people. The entire purpose was changing and influencing society, without the need for violence.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51566440]Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School are wholeheartedly responsible in my eyes for the creation of identity politics. Basically, people are attempting to liberate themselves from everyone else, and then isolate themselves into safe-spaces to black out everyone's ideas and opinions. In otherwords, it's a double edged sword. It's a good thing because it taught people to fight for themselves and what they believe in, but it also created the perfect conditions for people to get some serious victim complexes.[/QUOTE] you can argue that some currents within the frankfurt school resemble what's happening in some far left sub cultures but there's nothing to suggest a link between them without veering off into conspiracy territory, the reason why i say cultural marxism is a conspiracy term is because it doesn't actually refer to any specific ideology but just negatively alludes to progressive ideals in a way that the nazi idea of 'cultural bolshevism' was designed to do
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51566512]It does exist though..? [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory]It's known under the name [I]Critical Theory[/I][/url]. It legitimately is teaching people with philosophical ideas within an educational setting, and using it to influence the ideology of people. The entire purpose was changing and influencing society, without the need for violence.[/QUOTE] and it is not the same thing thats like saying "interracial breeding" and "white genocide" are the same thing one is a thing that exists and one is a propaganda tool using the thing that exists as a basis
And, remember, teaching critical theory isn't bad. ONLY teaching critical theory is bad, but sociology classes to my knowledge don't, and whether you like it or not, it's been long used and supported as a tool. It's like complaining that Keynesian economics is taught. Also you shouldn't claim critical theory and marxism are the same, they aren't, it has roots in some of marx but differs a good bit. Also this video really doesn't have anything to do with communism either.
[QUOTE=Judas;51566563]and it is not the same thing thats like saying "interracial breeding" and "white genocide" are the same thing one is a thing that exists and one is a propaganda tool using the thing that exists as a basis[/QUOTE] wow this is like the hardest quiz ever, thank god its not graded. is the answer b, those are both things and they are one in the same? [editline]22nd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;51566619] Also this video really doesn't have anything to do with communism either.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it seems like people are getting hung up on triggering images, words, and sources, rather than actually just watching any of the video and then considering it as a whole.
Why should the video be watched? From sources alone it comes from someone who looks at and actively follows red pill and alt-right sites. This probably means that the video creator falls in line with these thoughts. Why would I want to hear the opinions of feminism from someone so completely on the other end to the point of extremism? Beliving in red pill, mgtow and reading breitbart (using 4 articles as sources) basically as far into borderline mysoginist MRA territory as you can go. I recognize not all MRAS hate women, but just as not all feminists hate men there is a group there that exists and red pill is pretty goddamn close. At this point it wouldn't be challenging people's views, using sources from untrustworthy and irreputable sites basically make it seem like videos just meant to bolster his and his ilks own beliefs, whether or not the info being shared is completely true
Saying people are getting hung up on "triggering" things also shows a complete dismissal of the opposite view. Why should we care when you don't
[QUOTE=KillRay;51566692]Why should the video be watched? From sources alone it comes from someone who looks at and actively follows red pill and alt-right sites. This probably means that the video creator falls in line with these thoughts. Why would I want to hear the opinions of feminism from someone so completely on the other end to the point of extremism? Beliving in red pill, mgtow and reading breitbart (using 4 articles as sources) basically as far into borderline mysoginist MRA territory as you can go. I recognize not all MRAS hate women, but just as not all feminists hate men there is a group there that exists and red pill is pretty goddamn close. At this point it wouldn't be challenging people's views, using sources from untrustworthy and irreputable sites basically make it seem like videos just meant to bolster his and his ilks own beliefs, whether or not the info being shared is completely true[/QUOTE] How does one believe in Red Pill? How does he believe in MGTOW, he just states its a thing men are doing. And yeah I had no idea that Breitbart hates women, what a compelling argument. [QUOTE=Waffle cones.;51566698]When someone reasonably has reservations about the quality or reliability of your source, avoiding criticism by saying that they're "triggred by it" and not trying to convince them of its accuracy is among one of the worst responses you could possibly give them. What a total fucking non-argument.[/QUOTE] I'm partially talking about all those people currently discussing Social Marxism versus Marxism.
1) If he's using MGTOW and red-pill sites as sources for his beliefs, when the things presented in his sources are not linked back else where, it likely means he browses these sites for his information. I find it a bit of a reach that you would browse a site that identifies as a red pill, alt-right news source without falling in line with those beliefs 2) No where did I say breitbart hated women. But it's well known for being an alt-right news source with no integrity or a need to use factual information in its articles (climate change articles are good examples). Again, the video creator shows that this site likely falls in line with his beliefs, referencing it 4 times in his sources, showing that he is probably an active reader. Using such sites as sources for argument shows a lack of knowledge instead, as it's poor sourcing 3) red pill is an ideology 4) compelling reply as you deflect and misconstrue everything [editline]22nd December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MadPro119;51566754] I'm partially talking about all those people currently discussing Social Marxism versus Marxism.[/QUOTE] This is playing dumb too. You clearly say people are getting hung up on things like sources, when I'm the only one mentioning them
[QUOTE=KillRay;51566777]1) If he's using MGTOW and red-pill sites as sources for his beliefs, when the things presented in his sources are not linked back else where, it likely means he browses these sites for his information. I find it a bit of a reach that you would browse a site that identifies as a red pill, alt-right news source without falling in line with those beliefs 2) No where did I say breitbart hated women. But it's well known for being an alt-right news source with no integrity or a need to use factual information in its articles (climate change articles are good examples). Again, the video creator shows that this site likely falls in line with his beliefs, referencing it 4 times in his sources, showing that he is probably an active reader. Using such sites as sources for argument shows a lack of knowledge instead, as it's poor sourcing 3) red pill is an ideology 4) compelling reply as you deflect and misconstrue everything [editline]22nd December 2016[/editline] This is playing dumb too. You clearly say people are getting hung up on things like sources, when I'm the only one mentioning them[/QUOTE] As I said, partially. The other half was in direct to you, you are not wrong. I misinterpreted you, I thought you were saying Breitbart was also misogynist. I still believe the original video and its rhetoric have some worth.
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