Second Planned Parenthood Senior Executive Haggles Over Baby Parts Prices, Changes Abortion Methods
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[video=youtube;MjCs_gvImyw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCs_gvImyw[/video]
This is pretty disgusting.
pretty disgusting but really at the end of the day who does this harm?
lol on Fox news they had a guy who said "And with this it's going to be people who support planned parent hood or people who actually see value in life"
I mean if people can find a use for aborted fetuses, however disgusting that is, who cares? better than trashing them.
[QUOTE=Lurklet;48260474]pretty disgusting but really at the end of the day who does this harm?[/QUOTE]
Its illegal first of all and the whole situation is in a huge grey legal area as well.
Also, its doing this WITHOUT the patients consent. Someone could be very emotional and even attached to their aborted child, that can be a HUGE deal for some people. Imagine it was just taken and used for whatever experiments against your consent, or you not ever knowing. THIS is the problem. On top of being tax funded so the people are paying for this WITHOUT knowing at all.
That lady dont give a fuck at all about the patients, that lady just wants the money.
Its pretty fucked up honestly, this isnt a debate about pro-life pro-choice, abortion, or stem cell research. Its about the fact its just done all by lying and not even telling the patients themselves.
Im pro-choice, pro stem cell research and all that, but this is really fucked up, especially consdering how MASSIVE planned parenthood is. Its a good organization but we shouldnt let that protect disgusting people like the lady in the video.
Oh yeah, dont excuse the fact she also is changing the way they do the abortion after telling the patient they wont.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48260500]Its illegal first of all and the whole situation is in a huge grey legal area as well.
Also, its doing this WITHOUT the patients consent. [B]Someone could be very emotional and even attached to their aborted child, that can be a HUGE deal for some people[/B]. Imagine it was just taken and used for whatever experiments against your consent, or you not ever knowing. THIS is the problem. On top of being tax funded so the people are paying for this WITHOUT knowing at all.
That lady dont give a fuck at all about the patients, that lady just wants the money.
Its pretty fucked up honestly, this isnt a debate about pro-life pro-choice, abortion, or stem cell research. Its about the fact its just done all by lying and not even telling the patients themselves.
Im pro-choice, pro stem cell research and all that, but this is really fucked up, especially consdering how MASSIVE planned parenthood is. Its a good organization but we shouldnt let that protect disgusting people like the lady in the video.[/QUOTE]
Then why abort it?
[QUOTE=nerdster409;48260514]Then why abort it?[/QUOTE]
Because some people realize that they cannot support a child and it would have a shitty life if born. Doesnt mean you cant be attached and very emotional. Did I really have to explain this lol? Theirs way more examples as well, what about a Women who was raped and is carrying a rape baby around.
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[QUOTE=Lurklet;48260479]I mean if people can find a use for aborted fetuses, however disgusting that is, who cares? better than trashing them.[/QUOTE]
Thats not really the argument at all here. Stop ignoring the actual people who have to go through the abortions and what they are told and more importantly, not told.
Yes, obviously using an unborn fetus is way more worthwhile and beneficial over just trashing it. That is not the point in the slightest.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48260526]Because some people realize that they cannot support a child and it would have a shitty life if born. Doesnt mean you cant be attached and very emotional. Did I really have to explain this lol? Theirs way more examples as well, what about a Women who was raped and is carrying a rape baby around.[/QUOTE]
There are other ways to deal with a baby if you're in poverty; Leave on the doorstep of a church.
And a mother would be more attached to an aborted rape baby then if the baby were alive? That's fucked up.
I honestly think if they were attached to the baby, they wouldn't have aborted it in the first.
Wasn't the first one proven to be either fake or completely blown out of proportion? And this, if I recall correctly has the exact same source.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;48260562]There are other ways to deal with a baby if you're in poverty; Leave on the doorstep of a church.
And a mother would be more attached to an aborted rape baby then if the baby were alive? That's fucked up.
I honestly think if they were attached to the baby, they wouldn't have aborted it in the first.[/QUOTE]
Then theirs not much more I can say to you other than you are being very naive.
These can be extremely emotional things and a big deal for women, stop thinking logically and theirs far more into it than just the Women being really attached. She can be extremely attached and emotional but also self-aware knowing that she cannot just support that baby and cant go through the pregnancy either due to fear or even money/safety. So she gets her baby aborted at planned parent hood. Who then without her consent sends it off to be used in medical experiments and research after they lied saying the wouldnt.
[QUOTE]And a mother would be more attached to an aborted rape baby then if the baby were alive? That's fucked up.
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I dont even know how you came to this conclusion. Its more of the fact a women could have been raped and got pregnant against her will. So she can still REALLY care about that kid that isnt born, but what if she cant go through the pregency or afford that child she didnt even consent to have?
What do you do? Do you really think its so fucking simple you can just leave a fucking baby at a doorstep of a church and that would be the end of it? You really think its like in the movies? You dont think they would figure out WHO the baby is and parents are as one of the first things?
If someone is willing to PAY MONEY for a dead fetus, then why stop them? It must be for a good reason (unless they have some sort of nasty shrine of fetuses) and its far better than what usually happens... Tossed in a large plastic bag and thrown in a dumpster.
[QUOTE=Murkrow;48260599]Wasn't the first one proven to be either fake or completely blown out of proportion? And this, if I recall correctly has the exact same source.[/QUOTE]
Dunno, didnt know their was another one or some fake.
But if that women is the women she says she is in planned parenthood then does it really matter what the source is if it straight up says the shit in the video itself?
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[QUOTE=NoobieWafer223;48260613]If someone is willing to PAY MONEY for a dead fetus, then why stop them? It must be for a good reason (unless they have some sort of nasty shrine of fetuses) and its far better than what usually happens... Tossed in a large plastic bag and thrown in a dumpster.[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ why cant you see thats NOT THE ARGUMENT OR CASE HERE. Its the fact that they arent telling patients they are doing this or getting their consent and are telling them the opposite that they just dispose of them.
The point is they are lying to their patients, not whether using aborted fetuses is worthwhile over trashing them.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48260607]Then theirs not much more I can say to you other than you are being very naive.
These can be extremely emotional things and a big deal for women, stop thinking logically and theirs far more into it than just the Women being really attached. She can be extremely attached and emotional but also self-aware knowing that she cannot just support that baby and cant go through the pregnancy either due to fear or even money/safety. So she gets her baby aborted at planned parent hood. Who then without her consent sends it off to be used in medical experiments and research after they lied saying the wouldnt.[/quote]
Understood. There can be certain situations where the mother has to abort, specifically medical or societal. However, aborting the baby because you live in poverty and believe it would be better for the baby would be more of a logical decision than emotional.
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I dont even know how you came to this conclusion. Its more of the fact a women could have been raped and got pregnant against her will. So she can still REALLY care about that kid that isnt born, but what if she cant go through the pregency or afford that child she didnt even consent to have?[/quote]
Then the reason it's being aborted isn't because it was from rape, but for the medical or poverty reason; Rape is irrelevant.
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What do you do? Do you really think its so fucking simple you can just leave a fucking baby at a doorstep of a church and that would be the end of it? You really think its like in the movies? You dont think they would figure out WHO the baby is and parents are as one of the first things?[/QUOTE]
I admit that the church scenario is far-fetched, but to think there's no option after the baby is born is far-fetched as well. There are child and family services.
[QUOTE=nerdster409;48260780]Understood. There can be certain situations where the mother has to abort, specifically medical or societal. However, aborting the baby because you live in poverty and believe it would be better for the baby would be more of a logical decision than emotional.
Then the reason it's being aborted isn't because it was from rape, but for the medical or poverty reason; Rape is irrelevant.
I admit that the church scenario is far-fetched, but to think there's no option after the baby is born is far-fetched as well. There are child and family services.[/QUOTE]
The rape is relevant because its the reason the women in that example got pregnant. Its an unexpected and non-consented pregnancy, thats my point.
Their are family services and child services but these things arent so simple and easy. Its really not like you can just bring your baby to them and everything is dandy. Also that requires going through the pregnancy, which can be very costly itself, and even dangerous to life threatening to the women.
Anyways the real point of this thread and all my arguments is the fact these type of women DO exist and theirs a lot of reasons and emotions that go into getting aborted.
The fact that these patients/women are being lied to and misguided over what can be a HUGE fucking deal(and very understandbly) by executives who are in it just for money. They would rather lie to their patients for profit than be a decent human being. They are also, whether self-knowingly or not, preying on these women as well.
Im sure this shit is only even talked about at the highest level of planned parenthood, so now think of all the other workers who dont know of this shit who have indirectly been helping those assholes get money.
Using an aborted fetus for medical work is 1000000000000000000x better than just throwing it away, but its absolutely disgusting and unfair that they lie to their patients when it comes to obtaining them.
Worst part is, like I said its probably only those at the top who are the ones pulling the strings on this shit while the organization as a whole is largely completely unaware and would most likely be against it.
This would be okay if they told the patients and asked for consent.
So you got zeitgeist levels of spooky music over slowmo shots of the lady spookily eating her steak combined with sensitive subject matter that would make even the most sensitive pro-choicer feel a little queasy.
Soooo when you decide to donate your aborted fetus's organs to science, that's no different than checking the organ donor box on your driver's license. There's nothing illegal about harvesting fetal tissues or abortion procedures specifically intended to harvest certain organs. I don't understand what the problem is, considering that research on those types of tissues actually does contribute to real world medical progress. Yeah, it sounds gruesome, but that's all these people are playing off of, your fears and your anger. Unless I'm missing something? This controversy is manufactured.
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;48260892]So you got zeitgeist levels of spooky music over slowmo shots of the lady spookily eating her steak combined with sensitive subject matter that would make even the most sensitive pro-choicer feel a little queasy.
Soooo when you decide to donate your aborted fetus's organs to science, that's no different than checking the organ donor box on your driver's license. There's nothing illegal about harvesting fetal tissues or abortion procedures specifically intended to harvest certain organs. I don't understand what the problem is, considering that research on those types of tissues actually does contribute to real world medical progress. Yeah, it sounds gruesome, but that's all these people are playing off of, your fears and your anger. Unless I'm missing something? This controversy is manufactured.[/QUOTE]
You are missing something, a lot of something.
They are doing this WITHOUT THE PATIENTS CONSENT AND SAYING ITS NOT HAPPENING AND DOING DIFFERENT PROCEDURES ON PATIENTS THAN WHAT THEY WERE TOLD.
Holy fucking shit im sick and fucking tired of explaining this, does no one give two fucks about patients consent when it comes to something like this? Am I crazy or something? Im honestly shocked ive had to fucking explain this so many times.
Why are we even fucking talking about how its not so bad giving aborted fetuses to medical research when that hasnt even been the fucking point. How many times in this thread do I need to say im FOR that type of shit, just not the way they are going about it in this situation.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48260944]You are missing something, a lot of something.
They are doing this WITHOUT THE PATIENTS CONSENT AND SAYING ITS NOT HAPPENING AND DOING DIFFERENT PROCEDURES ON PATIENTS THAN WHAT THEY WERE TOLD.
Holy fucking shit im sick and fucking tired of explaining this, does no one give two fucks about patients consent when it comes to something like this? Am I crazy or something? Im honestly shocked ive had to fucking explain this so many times.
Why are we even fucking talking about how its not so bad giving aborted fetuses to medical research when that hasnt even been the fucking point. How many times in this thread do I need to say im FOR that type of shit, just not the way they are going about it in this situation.[/QUOTE]
While you're being so helpful explaining for me, can you point me to the part where the lady admits, in her own words, that they're harvesting fetal tissues without the consent of the patient?
"Baby Parts Prices" Uh huh.
[QUOTE=Mister_Jack;48261027]While you're being so helpful explaining for me, can you point me to the part where the lady admits, in her own words, that they're harvesting fetal tissues without the consent of the patient?[/QUOTE]
First one is about the consent of the procedure. Other 2 sound pretty telling on the fact that people are getting non-consented fetuses, unless im completely misreading what she is saying.
[URL]http://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw?t=284[/URL]
[URL]http://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw?t=218[/URL]
[URL]http://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw?t=242[/URL]
[URL]http://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw?t=416[/URL]
Probably got too sassy myself and made it seem like planned parenthood is straight up saying that clear as day in this video, but this women in question whos in a real position of power is treating it like a business and doesnt care about the patients, makes me pretty sick.
Plus, why would anyone in a business like that just admit it clear as day to a bunch of sellers they just met? No one admits it clear as day. But those parts I linked seem pretty telling to me at least. I wouldnt have expected this from planned parenthood.
The prices given are the costs to ship them to medical research facilities, its extremely fucking expensive to ship live tissue
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I fail to see the issue and with how the last video like this was proven vastly fake I don't buy it and won't until I hear or see more
[QUOTE=Lurklet;48260474]pretty disgusting but really at the end of the day who does this harm?[/QUOTE]
Obviously not your vagina, right?
[QUOTE=Paynith;48262813]Obviously not your vagina, right?[/QUOTE]
You don't want to know how this is taken care of, but its not a physically harmful procedure for the most part. Usually some local anesthetic and pain stuffs
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48261634]First one is about the consent of the procedure. Other 2 sound pretty telling on the fact that people are getting non-consented fetuses, unless im completely misreading what she is saying.
[URL]http://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw?t=284[/URL]
[URL]http://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw?t=218[/URL]
[URL]http://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw?t=242[/URL]
[URL]http://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw?t=416[/URL]
Probably got too sassy myself and made it seem like planned parenthood is straight up saying that clear as day in this video, but this women in question whos in a real position of power is treating it like a business and doesnt care about the patients, makes me pretty sick.
Plus, why would anyone in a business like that just admit it clear as day to a bunch of sellers they just met? No one admits it clear as day. But those parts I linked seem pretty telling to me at least. I wouldnt have expected this from planned parenthood.[/QUOTE]
Stop falling for right-wing propaganda.
[QUOTE=paindoc;48263371]You don't want to know how this is taken care of, but its not a physically harmful procedure for the most part. Usually some local anesthetic and pain stuffs[/QUOTE]
Wait...
Where do I buy baby parts and do some cocaine?
I really don't see a problem with this. Why are you posting content from such shitty sources anyways? Profiting off this is one thing, but what's wrong with donating or selling the tissue to subsidize costs of operating?
[QUOTE=Paynith;48263472]Wait...
Where do I buy baby parts and do some cocaine?[/QUOTE]
Well the first you can certainly do if you are a certified institution performing medical research with the piles of papers and documentation signed in triplicate to verify as such. Honestly, live tissue procurement is a tremendous PITA and is hilariously expensive due to the costs of transport, bureaucracy, and paperwork.
If you want cocaine go to your local 7/11 at 2am wait in the back alley and ask for Bob I guarantee you will find someone. or get stabbed.
Can't have progress without sacrifice
If anyones wondering my source on the inane shit I know, my parents are both in the medical profession. My mother is an NICU nurse (so works with premature babies) but had to work with stuff similar to this during her university rotation. My Dads first medical job was with our local lifeflight company, and they would often have to transport organs by procuring one of the lifeflight helis just for that.
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and in case you haven't figured it out yet I talk [I]just a little bit[/I] so I was always asking questions no matter how bizarre random or out of left field
[QUOTE=paindoc;48262588]The prices given are the costs to ship them to medical research facilities, its extremely fucking expensive to ship live tissue
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I fail to see the issue and with how the last video like this was proven vastly fake I don't buy it and won't until I hear or see more[/QUOTE]
If the last one was proven fake and this video is stemming from the same area then im sorry for posting it, really didnt know, I guess I missed this whole last video.
I guess I got caught up in the editing and maybe dont have enough understanding in this actual market of selling aborted fetuses and shit so it just comes off kind of gross to me even though I fully support making actual use of aborted fetuses instead of just tossing them.
But I still dont fully understand what she is trying to say with this. What does she mean when she asks them so they are just looking for tissue, not just volunteered.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjCs_gvImyw&feature=youtu.be&t=242[/url]
You sound like you came here with a straw to pick and an agenda to play. That's not how we do things around here.
Or it is. Maybe. I'm not really sure what we do around here, if I'm honest.
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