• Trump rejects push to help solve Puerto Rico debt crisis
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[media]https://twitter.com/hernanpadilla51/status/857616972560957443[/media] [QUOTE]SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday that he is opposed to a push to help Puerto Rico resolve its $70 billion debt load as the U.S. territory faces looming austerity measures amid a deep economic crisis. Trump issued a Twitter blast aimed at efforts to help the island cover its Medicaid costs — an issue that’s entangled in Puerto Rico’s last-minute debt negotiations.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/trump-rejects-push-to-help-solve-puerto-rico-debt-crisis/2017/04/27/a9ee6eee-2b73-11e7-9081-f5405f56d3e4_story.html?utm_term=.6368a4ccb7b8"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/trump-rejects-push-to-help-solve-puerto-rico-debt-crisis/2017/04/27/a9ee6eee-2b73-11e7-9081-f5405f56d3e4_story.html?utm_term=.6368a4ccb7b8[/URL] This may going effect on Puerto Rico's 2017 status referendum.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52160603][URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/trump-rejects-push-to-help-solve-puerto-rico-debt-crisis/2017/04/27/a9ee6eee-2b73-11e7-9081-f5405f56d3e4_story.html?utm_term=.6368a4ccb7b8"]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/trump-rejects-push-to-help-solve-puerto-rico-debt-crisis/2017/04/27/a9ee6eee-2b73-11e7-9081-f5405f56d3e4_story.html?utm_term=.6368a4ccb7b8[/URL] This may going effect on Puerto Rico's 2017 status referendum.[/QUOTE] Probably means they won't be going independent any time soon
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52160608]Probably means they won't be going independent any time soon[/QUOTE] Really, even federal government neglect America's only self-styled commonwealth over years, Puerto Rican society are still buying this cheap statehood propaganda for years even should have that optimity in the 1960s or 70s like Alaska or Hawaii did without feeling shameful to today standards, But they did instead being too lazy or maybe confused about deciding what future of their island's status will be until this decade. And if this is what save their problems as some metaphorical fairy is going magically fixed by joining the United States, Just like that. It's more complex than just fixed their decade-old economic crisis.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52160623]Really, even federal government neglect America's only self-styled commonwealth over years, Puerto Rican society are still buying this cheap statehood propaganda for years even should have that optimity in the 1960s or 70s like Alaska or Hawaii did without feeling shameful to today standards, But they did instead being too lazy or maybe confused about deciding what future of their island's status will be until this decade. And if this is what save their problems as some metaphorical fairy is going magically fixed by joining the United States, Just like that. It's more complex than just fixed their decade-old economic crisis.[/QUOTE] Joining the US as a state will help to a degree, as it will open access to a number of federal fundings meant to help declining state economies, however like you said it won't be a fairy magically casting a wand and fixing the issues. I think it's dumb that PR isn't a state yet.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52160924]Joining the US as a state will help to a degree, as it will open access to a number of federal fundings meant to help declining state economies, however like you said it won't be a fairy magically casting a wand and fixing the issues. I think it's dumb that PR isn't a state yet.[/QUOTE] It's over 100+ years as a self-styled commonwealth and they wasted that optimity of being newest state that so long, For being that too confused for their political future as unincorporated territory. . And why being ironically apologetic for supporting Trump opposing bailout for the place even it further screw Puerto Rican trust of American government. Or even you read they try doing that by Democratic politician Pelosi but failed do so. And you don't get that fairy as mean metamorphically to the American government, in general for will keep screwing their future and economy.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52160924]Joining the US as a state will help to a degree, as it will open access to a number of federal fundings meant to help declining state economies, however like you said it won't be a fairy magically casting a wand and fixing the issues. I think it's dumb that PR isn't a state yet.[/QUOTE] It will also allow them to pork-barrel projects like every other US senator.
The fact that the US still has territories where people are only half-way part of the country is pretty terrible in my opinion. The Virgin Islands just had their hundred year anniversary for getting sold to the US, and as part of that there were a whole bunch of discussions between Denmark's role in that. One of the things I remember being criticised is Denmark not securing Virgin Islanders voting rights back when we did the deal, and it basically frames how ridiculous it is that they still don't. The "No taxation without representation" was basically the argument for US' independence, but they're apparently very reluctant to extend that right to its colonies. Kinda unrelated but yeah what's up with that shit.
we can't give them statehood! 50 is such a nice, round number! seriously though I've always felt that the territory shit was a little too colonial for my tastes, but I haven't really done enough research into it to know for sure how I feel.
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;52161121]we can't give them statehood! 50 is such a nice, round number! seriously though I've always felt that the territory shit was a little too colonial for my tastes, but I haven't really done enough research into it to know for sure how I feel.[/QUOTE] I really know, And yet Puerto Ricans are still buying that they are want to fix their economy by joining the US is somehow fixing their biggest problems magically and become Americans despite they speak Predominantly Spanish, Have their culture are closer Latino than North American cultures. And few people wished Puerto Rico be new state because isn't enough of having Tropical island state despite we got few Hawaiian islands for that.
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;52161121]we can't give them statehood! 50 is such a nice, round number! seriously though I've always felt that the territory shit was a little too colonial for my tastes, but I haven't really done enough research into it to know for sure how I feel.[/QUOTE] [img]https://s3.amazonaws.com/idme-wordpress-military/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/04174804/Screen-Shot-2015-08-04-at-1.41.47-PM-843x575.png[/img]
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52161148]I really know, And yet Puerto Ricans are still buying that they are want to fix their economy by joining the US is somehow fixing their biggest problems magically and become Americans despite they speak Predominantly Spanish, Have their culture are closer Latino than North American cultures. And few people wished Puerto Rico be new state because isn't enough of having Tropical island state despite we got few Hawaiian islands for that.[/QUOTE] They're already technically Americans. As of 100 years ago last month, Puerto Ricans have had American citizenship. Language doesn't matter. There's plenty of American citizens that speak only Spanish, or Chinese, or Japanese, or French, etc. Sure, the US's primary language is English but that doesn't mean it's the only one allowed.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52161212]They're already technically Americans. As of 100 years ago last month, Puerto Ricans have had American citizenship. Language doesn't matter. There's plenty of American citizens that speak only Spanish, or Chinese, or Japanese, or French, etc. Sure, the US's primary language is English but that doesn't mean it's the only one allowed.[/QUOTE] True for most part, But still that wasted opportunity to join us long ago and try defending it is pretty sound reactionary for me.
It's probably better for them to join the US than go independent if anything for the sake of the large population of Puerto Ricans living in the US. I really don't want my fiance's family suddenly becoming foreign residents that risk deportation.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52161236]It's probably better for them to join the US than go independent if anything for the sake of the large population of Puerto Ricans living in the US. I really don't want my fiance's family suddenly becoming foreign residents that risk deportation.[/QUOTE] Why you still being too reactionary optimistic about Puerto Rico want joining United States even evidence their future is clearly pessimistic and unlikely never annexed.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52161266]Why still being too reactionary optimistic about Pureto Rice want joining United States even evidence their future is clearly pessimistic and unlikely never annexed.[/QUOTE] Your posts are becoming difficult to understand, I'm going to take a guess that English may not be your first language?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52161307]Your posts are becoming difficult to understand, I'm going to take a guess that English may not be your first language?[/QUOTE] Make excuse and completely ignore question, That I try send to you. It's isn't hard to read rocket scientist. - Edit - Found mess up grammar and fixed it
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52161314]Make excuse and completely ignore question, That I try send to you. It's isn't hard to read rocket scientist. - Edit - Found mess up grammar and fixed it[/QUOTE] He's not making excuses. Your posts are genuinely difficult to read and follow. Don't insult him for your own shortcomings, whatever the reasons may be behind them. It is your job to make your posts coherent and comprehensible. It's not his job to try to decipher your broken language.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;52161348]He's not making excuses. Your posts are genuinely difficult to read and follow. Don't insult him for your own shortcomings, whatever the reasons may be behind them. It is your job to make your posts coherent and comprehensible. It's not his job to try to decipher your broken language.[/QUOTE] K, But I'm trying by best, Even my neurological disorder is blocking it. But least back on topic too.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52160623]Really, even federal government neglect America's only self-styled commonwealth over years, Puerto Rican society are still buying this cheap statehood propaganda for years even should have that optimity in the 1960s or 70s like Alaska or Hawaii did without feeling shameful to today standards, But they did instead being too lazy or maybe confused about deciding what future of their island's status will be until this decade. And if this is what save their problems as some metaphorical fairy is going magically fixed by joining the United States, Just like that. It's more complex than just fixed their decade-old economic crisis.[/QUOTE] to be fair, once they are a state a lot of the bullshit that has caused them to be where they are today disappears. they are for some inexplicable reason banned from using bankruptcy law, have special restrictions on financing, and have tons of other dumb restrictions tossed on them because they are a territory instead of a state. also they'd have a couple congressmen and senators that would toss the balance in congress left of center since congress is capped at 435 house reps.
[QUOTE=Sableye;52161361]to be fair, once they are a state a lot of the bullshit that has caused them to be where they are today [B]disappears[/B]. they are for some inexplicable reason banned from using bankruptcy law, have special restrictions on financing, and have tons of other dumb restrictions tossed on them because they are a territory instead of a state.[/QUOTE] Are you really used magic metaphor and it realistically take two-few years or longer to recover slowly from a fiscal crisis? But fine rest it would make sense if Puerto Rico was already real State in other alternate universe.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;52161104]The fact that the US still has territories where people are only half-way part of the country is pretty terrible in my opinion. The Virgin Islands just had their hundred year anniversary for getting sold to the US, and as part of that there were a whole bunch of discussions between Denmark's role in that. One of the things I remember being criticised is Denmark not securing Virgin Islanders voting rights back when we did the deal, and it basically frames how ridiculous it is that they still don't. The "No taxation without representation" was basically the argument for US' independence, but they're apparently very reluctant to extend that right to its colonies. Kinda unrelated but yeah what's up with that shit.[/QUOTE] If I remember correctly, the Virgin Islands don't pay taxes to the US federal government. All income, corporate, etc. taxes go directly to the government of the Virgin Islands.
Bailing out Puerto Rico with a bankruptcy would wreck the bond market--somewhere around 70% of U.S. pension and retirement funds hold Puerto Rico munis and government bonds as a "risk-free" investment (and a good one too, since they're 100% exempt from all three levels of tax). It's a bad budget and an irresponsible spending policy that has caused the problem to grow this large. I hate to say it, but I think a federal oversight board should be implemented to rein in PR's budget for a few years and just let them ride out the pain. It's about the only way I can think of to fix the issue without needlessly messing with the affairs of the mainland too much. [editline]28th April 2017[/editline] Statehood should be out of the question until this is under control. They brought it on themselves, really. Jesus, just imagine $70b.
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;52161121]we can't give them statehood! 50 is such a nice, round number! seriously though I've always felt that the territory shit was a little too colonial for my tastes, but I haven't really done enough research into it to know for sure how I feel.[/QUOTE] [t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0b/a9/fc/0ba9fcbd07edf6911743a756e569aaeb.jpg[/t] I don't know man.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52160934]It's over 100+ years as a self-styled commonwealth and they wasted that optimity of being newest state that so long, For being that too confused for their political future as unincorporated territory.[/QUOTE] I don't really see how its time spent as a territory is relevant? Alaska was a US territory for 80 years before being stated.
[QUOTE=ChadMcGoatMan;52161367]Are you really used magic metaphor and it realistically take two-few years or longer to recover slowly from a fiscal crisis? But fine rest it would make sense if Puerto Rico was already real State in other alternate universe.[/QUOTE] they exist in a terrible halfassed framework thats unusually punative. no their problems don't go away over night but they would have access to a lot more legal and financial avenues as a state than as a territory, for example having access to the bankruptcy code.
[QUOTE=Sableye;52161361]to be fair, once they are a state a lot of the bullshit that has caused them to be where they are today disappears. they are for some inexplicable reason banned from using bankruptcy law, have special restrictions on financing, and have tons of other dumb restrictions tossed on them because they are a territory instead of a state.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sableye;52162563]they exist in a terrible halfassed framework thats unusually punative. no their problems don't go away over night but they would have access to a lot more legal and financial avenues as a state than as a territory, for example having access to the bankruptcy code.[/QUOTE] I'm ok maybe understand about rest. But annexed territory [I]that so longer[/I] than Alaska like Puerto Rico in the 21st century is still felt so anachronistic least for me.
its so fucking surreal to see the actual, elected and sworn president of the fucking united states of america posting like a fucking baby on public social media. it probably ranks as one of the most unprofessional things i can think of.
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