BLM Protester: "We need to start killing people", probably will get a visit from Secret Service soon
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[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTwf6Xs2ETs[/media]
This person went abit too far on their rant.
Also really nice for a pre-school teacher. :v:
"Some of us are working, 40 fucking hours. You know? FOURTY FUCKIN' HOURS AND JUGGLING"
No shit Sherlock, so's everyone else.
just gonna pop in here real quick and emphasize that this is not representative behavior of BLM protesters in general. it's another example of people cherrypicking videos that make them look bad. don't see this and think that it's what the movement stands for.
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;51753540]just gonna pop in here real quick and emphasize that this is not representative behavior of BLM protesters in general. it's another example of people cherrypicking videos that make them look bad. don't see this and think that it's what the movement stands for.[/QUOTE]
I'm just going to say that hopefully the chapters call this behavior out. Though I wouldn't hold my breath for it. A decentralized hashtag movement has alot of accountability you can't naturally apply nor expect people to step up to self-police their actions.
Also there are alot of idiots in BLM. While a good intentioned program in some ways, I would argue that the rhetoric the ringleaders of the movement spew is highly misleading and can lead to bad behaviors or opinions.
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Such as this crap from their About Us page from their main/largest representing website. It's like as if it came from an alternate universe.
[url]http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/[/url]
[quote]Why do they keep having these transgenders speak out their mindless bullshit. These people arent even educated, shit they didnt even take the time to vote. I cant listen to none of the moronic chanting and to watch the authorities let all of these morons in the airports and streets just makes me wonder where all the tear gas and rubber bullets are•[/quote]
[quote]that thing was a woman?•
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[quote]This creature is totally winging this speech. It's an F Word Salad. Degenerate.•[/quote]
[quote]wtf is that creature? A man or woman?•
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[quote]Insane little asswipe.
I'd like to go a round or so with his bitch ass.
[quote]was it a 'he',or was it a 'she',and how could you tell?•
[quote]tinfoilhatter I can't tell honestly. My children tell me I can't keep saying it. I wanted to though.•[/quote][/quote]•[/quote]
[quote]Lazy fucking low life negro and brown scum. Is that what this is about? Money? Get a fucking job. You're entitled to NOTHING.•[/quote]
[quote]Brainwashed marxist fucks, bring on your bullshit, the sane silent majority have had enough, they want violence? Well we want a purge of these establishment useful idiots. Fucking hypocrites get money from welfare and Soros.•[/quote]
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[QUOTE=KingOfScience;51753540]just gonna pop in here real quick and emphasize that this is not representative behavior of BLM protesters in general. it's another example of people cherrypicking videos that make them look bad. don't see this and think that it's what the movement stands for.[/QUOTE]
BLM has lost their true purpose as it has been muddled by so many competing ideologies and bigotries. It's senseless rabble now because they have no leader to spearhead change and lack a unified voice. #BlackLivesMatter had good intentions when facing inequality and injustice, but it created a soapbox for the more extreme and the racists, glorified criminals, and fuel the narrative "White people are evil and the root of all black problems". This is hardly an isolated incident as videos of these rallies continue to show- granted, yes, not all- but a fraction of people promoting violence, hatred, and bigotry.
Tudd you realize there are shit tons of people saying this stuff on your side but they're ignored because they're -clearly- insane, right?
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[QUOTE=KingOfScience;51753540]just gonna pop in here real quick and emphasize that this is not representative behavior of BLM protesters in general. it's another example of people cherrypicking videos that make them look bad. don't see this and think that it's what the movement stands for.[/QUOTE]
BLM is honestly as bad as PETA, even if they don't follow an actual 'leadership' structure
BLM suffers from the same issues Occupy Wall Street had... in which too many idiots use it as a baseline for completely off topic and idiotic ideals.
Trump is a bigger threat to America than BLM
This video does seem kinda cherry picked but I definitely agree with some of the sentiments from other users about BLM being disorganized, much like Occupy was.
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[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51753860]:v:
Back on topic, this video does seem kinda cherry picked.[/QUOTE]
He got it from /r/T_D. There's so much cherry picking going on there it could pass as a fucking orchard.
Can we talk about the video instead of going for epic zingers? This isn't SH.
I like how everyone is saying "tudd is biased" as if that makes the horrible horrible content of the video less true.
Y'all are some real sophists
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51754156]I like how everyone is saying "tudd is biased" as if that makes the horrible horrible content of the video less true.
Y'all are some real sophists[/QUOTE]
Do you take everything you read and watch at face value? They're discussing how Tudd basically reposts everything on T_D in SH and it's quite silly.
Also, nobody has said anything about the video being 'not true,' you're deflecting the issue when you present it like that and it's incredibly obvious when you use such ~whimsical~ name-calling with "sophists."
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51754156]I like how everyone is saying "tudd is biased" as if that makes the horrible horrible content of the video less true.
Y'all are some real sophists[/QUOTE]
People aren't trying to say that this shit never happens, they're saying that it's cherrypicked. For every BLM supporter who's batshit like the one in the video there are a plethora of people who are not, it's just that peaceful protests don't make news or threads. The reason why people are not giving this video in particular a chance is because Tudd posts NOTHING but similarly cherrypicked videos. People are frankly fed up with the anti-left political fearmongering that's constantly posted by the same guy shitting up the videos section over and over again. At this point nobody wants to deal with it anymore.
And let's just skip pretending that this is trying to spark discussion. It's not, and every thread we have to go through the same shit over and over with Tudd abandoning the thread after page 1 when people point out evidence against him.
[QUOTE=doomkiwi;51754212]People aren't trying to say that this shit never happens, they're saying that it's cherrypicked. For every BLM supporter who's batshit like the one in the video there are a plethora of people who are not, it's just that peaceful protests don't make news or threads. The reason why people are not giving this video in particular a chance is because Tudd posts NOTHING but similarly cherrypicked videos. People are frankly fed up with the anti-left political fearmongering that's constantly posted by the same guy shitting up the videos section over and over again. At this point nobody wants to deal with it anymore.
And let's just skip pretending that this is trying to spark discussion. It's not, and every thread we have to go through the same shit over and over with Tudd abandoning the thread after page 1 when people point out evidence against him.[/QUOTE]
I do post on actual nazi news for example and other politically neutral topics too pretty regularly if you check my thread history.
Also I got this from Facebook if anyone was wondering, not T_D.
How would the reparations she's talking about even work? Am I supposed to go way back in the records to see which slaves my ancestors owned and find their descendants to give them money, or do they just collect a bunch of money from white people and give each black person a certain percentage?
I'm actually legitimately curious as to how this is supposed to work.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51754156]I like how everyone is saying "tudd is biased" as if that makes the horrible horrible content of the video less true.
Y'all are some real sophists[/QUOTE]
no shit that doesn't make it any less true, but its obviously cherrypicked to try to make the other side look bad, especially since its posted by someone who constantly posts the exact same shit as this constantly to get people riled up and to somehow make the donald look less trash than he is. People aren't saying the content isn't true, this is the same sort of stuff that was happening during the civil rights movement.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;51754202]Do you take everything you read and watch at face value? They're discussing how Tudd basically reposts everything on T_D in SH and it's quite silly.
Also, nobody has said anything about the video being 'not true,' you're deflecting the issue when you present it like that and it's incredibly obvious when you use such ~whimsical~ name-calling with "sophists."[/QUOTE]
Well then why bring it up in the first place if not to avoid addressing the content of the video, or in some way undermine it's being presented in the first place?
Like this for example
[QUOTE=Naught;51754235]but its obviously cherrypicked to try to make the other side look bad, especially since its posted by someone who constantly posts the exact same shit as this constantly to get people riled up and to somehow make the donald look less trash than he is.[/QUOTE]
And therefore, what?
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;51754202]Do you take everything you read and watch at face value? They're discussing how Tudd basically reposts everything on T_D in SH and it's quite silly.
Also, nobody has said anything about the video being 'not true,' you're deflecting the issue when you present it like that and it's incredibly obvious when you use such ~whimsical~ name-calling with "sophists."[/QUOTE]
Well you'd do well to note i said "As if", which imiplies it's an absurdity and not a literal description. What you've done is accuse me of being overly literal, and then misunderstand/misrepresent what i say in an overly literal way to make your point.
And back to this, I can't see what you object to in my using the word sophistry. The sophists were a school of thought in Athens which relied heavily on emotionally based arguments like "That guy sucks therefore his argument sucks", which is what socrates overturned with his invention structured and empirical logical process of deduction and argument, on which we've predicated our entire civilization. Both the argument i objected to and the argument you gave here are both an almost perfect example of your typical sophistry, because it's both an emotional appeal and a subtle misdirection at the expense of an honest and truthful argument.
In the end, the correct response isn't "yeah but you-", the correct response is "yes this is a problem, i suspect the causal factors are X, Y and Z, and here's my supposed solutions. And if we don't act, the consequences will be X, Y and Z, which is concerning"
The left fails to curb it's own worst actors, which is a one way ticket to hell. Don't deflect responsibility by shifting the spotlight to the morale failings of others. It's a delegation of responsibility and a fundamentally corrupting pattern of behavior.
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Shower me with boxes and then refuse to address any of my arguments. You sure showed me who's boss
[QUOTE=KingOfScience;51753540]just gonna pop in here real quick and emphasize that this is not representative behavior of BLM protesters in general. it's another example of people cherrypicking videos that make them look bad. don't see this and think that it's what the movement stands for.[/QUOTE]
When you fail to institute an actual organization and instead let it just be a loose-association for anyone that can type the hashtag to, you allow the door open for everyone who claims to represent you to actually represent you.
Idiots like in the video are as much a representation of BLM as the peaceful protesters.
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51754156]I like how everyone is saying "tudd is biased" as if that makes the horrible horrible content of the video less true.
Y'all are some real sophists[/QUOTE]
At this point both sides of the US political system are just autistically screeching at each other, and if it wasn't for social media promoting slacktivism and just generally being a great place for people to post their ~epic zingers~ in 140 characters or less from the safety of their computer, I'm pretty sure civil war and/or extreme rioting would have already started.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51754474]When you fail to institute an actual organization and instead let it just be a loose-association for anyone that can type the hashtag to, you allow the door open for everyone who claims to represent you to actually represent you.
Idiots like in the video are as much a representation of BLM as the peaceful protesters.[/QUOTE]
If the vast majority of people that identify as pro-BLM are peaceful, then wouldn't that make them more representative of the movement as a whole than fringe radicals? Does that mean that the misogynistic slices of GG supporters are representative of the movement and its initial goals and aims?
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51754516]If the vast majority of people that identify as pro-BLM are peaceful, then wouldn't that make them more representative of the movement as a whole than fringe radicals? Does that mean that the misogynistic slices of GG supporters are representative of the movement and its initial goals and aims?[/QUOTE]
Are you sure that the vast majority is peaceful?
[QUOTE=Gorgus;51754519]Are you sure that the vast majority is peaceful?[/QUOTE]
Not entirely, I'll admit, especially since it's such a loosely defined movement that I doubt has been tested to a reasonable extent, but fairly confident from personal experiences. I know they don't count for much, but most of the activist events I've been to, with thousands of protesters and demonstrators, got into no trouble with authorities and were practically all pro-BLM, considering the chanting of "Black Lives Matter" verbatim. And that's people who actually actively demonstrate and take proactive measures for the movement. Considering how large the #BLM movement and hashtag have been in US popular culture, I'd be willing to wager that if you polled a diverse group of people with proper statistical methods, a majority of people that supported BLM wouldn't have even taken action in its name, much less violent action.
In terms of actual numbers, [url="http://www.newsweek.com/trump-inauguration-numbers-how-many-attended-545467"]an incredibly small number of protesters were arrested[/url] during inauguration week [url="http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/](including the womens march)[/url] out of the hundreds of thousands that participated. That's fairly insignificant, and while they werent explicitly BLM marches so it's impossible to gauge just how many of these protesters were pro-BLM, I'd imagine that there would be a relatively large intersection between them and BLM supporters.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51754516]If the vast majority of people that identify as pro-BLM are peaceful, then wouldn't that make them more representative of the movement as a whole than fringe radicals? Does that mean that the misogynistic slices of GG supporters are representative of the movement and its initial goals and aims?[/QUOTE]
Says the guy who ranted on for three pages in the GG thread about what a bunch of misogynist woman beating fuckfaces we are and why don't we pick a better hashtag
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Amazing how much context you can ignore with an advanced degree in cognitive dissonance.
[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51754507]At this point both sides of the US political system are just autistically screeching at each other, and if it wasn't for social media promoting slacktivism and just generally being a great place for people to post their ~epic zingers~ in 140 characters or less from the safety of their computer, I'm pretty sure civil war and/or extreme rioting would have already started.[/QUOTE]
Nah, it's a contributing factor.
People are more honest when interacting in person because there's more immidiate consequences for dishonest arguments/behaviour. As well as that your experience on the web is like a little isolated enclave that fast turns into an echo chamber as all the people you interact with, shared posts and suggested content begin to cater to your views, to the exlusion of all else. And unless you go out of your way to find opposing ideas, you will rarely if ever see them apart from the people you agree with going "HEY LOOK AT THIS SHITTY ARGUMENT". And because it's very comfortable to not do that, nobody really does. What you see in real life is just a manifestation of that new mode of behaviour, not the other way around.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51754516]If the vast majority of people that identify as pro-BLM are peaceful, then wouldn't that make them more representative of the movement as a whole than fringe radicals? Does that mean that the misogynistic slices of GG supporters are representative of the movement and its initial goals and aims?[/QUOTE]
Here's the thing, if you fail to curb your worst actors, you enable them. And it's then reasonable to say that those actors represent the movement. You don't get rid of something that doesn't align with your views, or at least it's such a minor annoyance as to not be worth the effort. The GG people disowned the bad actors in it's fold at every turn and worked bloody hard to get rid of them. BLM does nothing about it's bad actors, and proudly marches with them.
[video=youtube;9xNxoeqf0Ws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNxoeqf0Ws[/video]
Does this look like a minority view to you? Seems like everyone marching is on board with that message.
So if this actually is a minority of the movement, where's the public condemnation? What official channels are saying "no this ain't us"
[IMG]http://66.media.tumblr.com/86533c5b2092223354bd72b9761177b9/tumblr_inline_oamnqoHlII1rvl4dr_500.jpg[/IMG]
And don't tell me they can't have an official position, because boy howdy can they ever.
[QUOTE=27X;51754544]Says the guy who ranted on for three pages in the GG thread about what a bunch mysognist woman beating fuckfaces we are and why don't we pick a better hastag
:v::quotes:
Amazing how much context you can ignore with an advanced degree in cognitive dissonance.[/QUOTE]
I mean... I honestly don't even remember that, so it must have been a pretty long time ago. My opinions on a lot of things have changed and I'd argue would be somewhat more nuanced than they were 1-2 years ago. Going to university and getting older has exposed me to some new viewpoints and I try to be a little less inflammatory these days. That should be apparent when I'm transitively supporting GG to a certain extent by stating that small, inflammatory radicals don't represent the whole of larger movements, using GG as an example.
[editline]31st January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51754545]Here's the thing, if you fail to curb your worst actors, you enable them. And it's then reasonable to say that those actors represent the movement. You don't get rid of something that doesn't align with your views, or at least it's such a minor annoyance as to not be worth the effort. The GG people disowned the bad actors in it's fold at every turn and worked bloody hard to get rid of them. BLM does nothing about it's bad actors, and proudly marches with them.[/QUOTE]
How would you suggest that they "curb their worst actors"? I'm open to suggestions because I agree that local chapters using questionable tactics hurts the movement as a whole.
[QUOTE][video=youtube;9xNxoeqf0Ws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xNxoeqf0Ws[/video]
Does this look like a minority view to you? Seems like everyone marching is on board with that message.[/QUOTE]
It doesnt look like a majority. How many people are there, like, less than 100? That's really not that many in the grand scheme of just how many people identify as pro-BLM. Considering how often this single clip gets brought up, I start to wonder why more dont keep popping up if BLM is so bad. I've probably seen the same 5 videos and tweets recycled ad nauseum on FP and elsewhere to damn BLM.
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And don't tell me they can't have an official position, because boy howdy can they ever.[/QUOTE]
I'll admit to this, because I want to be honest about it: Stuff like this really does bother me and makes it hard for me to defend BLM as a movement. The reason I still support it is because by-and-large, I still think that the fundamental ideas behind it are sound and I agree with a lot of their aims. Repeating what I said earlier, I do think that a majority of supporters are good, peaceful people with the best intentions (see: the people that did the cookout that's being condemned in the tweet). But it really would help out the movement if the official twitter did, as you say, condemn more violent acts.
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How would you suggest that they "curb their worst actors"? I'm open to suggestions because I agree that local chapters using questionable tactics hurts the movement as a whole. [/QUOTE]
Like any movement should, every individual should see "maybe 100" people shouting "cops should die because they're cops", stand up and say "no, this is antithetical to the movement and is an affront to my personal beliefs and we will not stand for it." and eject the rouge/corrupt elements.
Because to allow those people to stay is a tacit act of admission by each and every individual that they are ok with those ideas. And that's why it's so important. Because it speaks volumes about [I]each and every single individual[/I] that associates with those supposedly rogue elements. Either it's such a small concern to them it isn't worth the trouble of objecting, or they just flat out [I]agree[/I]. And even if they disagree, their actions are fundimentally identical to as if they did agree, so it's practically the same expression.
[QUOTE]I'll admit to this, because I want to be honest about it: Stuff like this really does bother me and makes it hard for me to defend BLM as a movement. The reason I still support it is because by-and-large, I still think that the fundamental ideas behind it are sound and I agree with a lot of their aims. It really would help out the movement if they did, as you say, condemn more violent acts.[/QUOTE]
Well all the founding members state that the movement is an anti police movement, and [I]only[/I] an anti police movement. So frankly this is in truth perfectly aligned with the movement. Frankly if you want to do some good, find another way to express it. BLM is corrupt to the core and is beyond repair. And that's presuming what they're crusading for is correct at all, which isn't really true.
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It doesnt look like a majority. How many people are there, like, less than 100? That's really not that many in the grand scheme of just how many people identify as pro-BLM. Considering how often this single clip gets brought up, I start to wonder why more dont keep popping up if BLM is so bad. I've probably seen the same 5 videos and tweets recycled ad nauseum on FP and elsewhere to damn BLM. [/QUOTE]
Ok.
[video=youtube;hqQXmnMr_w8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqQXmnMr_w8[/video]
[video=youtube;RC-Cqkq6zWc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-Cqkq6zWc[/video]
[video=youtube;mlJx7YV0ICM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlJx7YV0ICM[/video]
[video=youtube;9ZJOmtEH5Y0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZJOmtEH5Y0[/video]
I mean, is this enough or should i keep going?
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