Yes... But it's Disney. Does this guy really think Disney is going to kill off a princess, when their princesses are the flagships of their brand? You've got to think of the merchandising.
This is sort of what Disney does, they adapt fairytales and folklore into films for the under-13 Western audience. It's not going to be Hans Christian Andersen's book in film form, because it's a Disney film.
maddox is a weaboo confirmed
Maddox actually comes from Madox.
[video=youtube;xuez06x4DnQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuez06x4DnQ[/video]
Maddox is (or at least was) really into anime.
Sounds dope, will watch the original.
Kids need more crushingly sad endings.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49481210]Kids need more crushingly sad endings.[/QUOTE]
Show them either Watership Down or Plague Dogs, and I guarantee that children would be scarred for life
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49481210]Kids need more crushingly sad endings.[/QUOTE]
All Dogs go to Heaven? Not exactly crushing, but still bittersweet.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49480234]Maddox actually comes from Madox.
[video=youtube;xuez06x4DnQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuez06x4DnQ[/video]
Maddox is (or at least was) really into anime.[/QUOTE]
Is this Roy Campbell narrating
[QUOTE=woolio1;49480185]Yes... But it's Disney. Does this guy really think Disney is going to kill off a princess, when their princesses are the flagships of their brand? You've got to think of the merchandising.
This is sort of what Disney does, they adapt fairytales and folklore into films for the under-13 Western audience. It's not going to be Hans Christian Andersen's book in film form, because it's a Disney film.[/QUOTE]
Just because that's what a company does doesn't justify them shitting all over the entire point of a book. If they loved their princesses so much then just make an original ip instead of trashing another.
[QUOTE=Fapplejack;49482407]Just because that's what a company does doesn't justify them shitting all over the entire point of a book. If they loved their princesses so much then just make an original ip instead of trashing another.[/QUOTE]
They did, which is why their mermaid is Ariel and not Marina. For all practical purposes, they've created their own fork of the fairy tale.
As an aside, you've had over a decade to be upset about this, and I sincerely doubt you ever gave it a second thought until you watched this video. Is Disney making a derivative work truly warranting of this kind of anger or disappointment? Or are you just playing to Maddox's intent, and becoming upset over nothing?
Remember, outrage drives views, whether it's broadcast television or YouTube videos. It's why people like GradeA and companies like Fox News are so popular.
People watch Disney films for their feel good endings, not to hit the credits feeling depressed and crying.
i wanna see that russian adaptation, it looks cool as hell
[QUOTE=woolio1;49480185]Yes... But it's Disney. Does this guy really think Disney is going to kill off a princess, when their princesses are the flagships of their brand? You've got to think of the merchandising.
This is sort of what Disney does, they adapt fairytales and folklore into films for the under-13 Western audience. It's not going to be Hans Christian Andersen's book in film form, because it's a Disney film.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, this is kinda like complaining that Jimi Hendrix turned "All Along the Watchtower" from a folk/country song to a psychedelic rock song.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49480185]Yes... But it's Disney. Does this guy really think Disney is going to kill off a princess, when their princesses are the flagships of their brand? You've got to think of the merchandising.
This is sort of what Disney does, they adapt fairytales and folklore into films for the under-13 Western audience. It's not going to be Hans Christian Andersen's book in film form, because it's a Disney film.[/QUOTE]
This isn't a very good excuse. Just because it's "what they do" doesn't mean "what they do" is good. In fact, you just explained why it's not good. They're so willing to remove the integrity of a piece of art that instills meaningful messages to maximize profits and prevent people from feeling uncomfortable. It's literally direct opposition of the meaning of the original story, which is that you can't always get what you want and sometimes it's regardless of the goodness of your actions. It protects children from reality. It babies them. It doesn't instill morals. I don't know why people think that's a good thing.
[editline]8th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=woolio1;49480185]Yes... But it's Disney. Does this guy really think Disney is going to kill off a princess, when their princesses are the flagships of their brand? You've got to think of the merchandising.
This is sort of what Disney does, they adapt fairytales and folklore into films for the under-13 Western audience. It's not going to be Hans Christian Andersen's book in film form, because it's a Disney film.[/QUOTE]
Are you defending against life lessons in favor of someone else's merchandising?
It's a fucking cartoon. Stop getting you underwear in a knot. If you want your kids to know the original version of The Little Mermaid you can read it to them yourself. Getting angry at Disney for doing something they've done for 100 years is pointless. The Little Mermaid came out 27 years ago, you're a little late to the party to be getting upset over the changes they made.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49483341]It's a fucking cartoon. Stop getting you underwear in a knot. If you want your kids to know the original version of The Little Mermaid you can read it to them yourself. Getting angry at Disney for doing something they've done for 100 years is pointless. The Little Mermaid came out 27 years ago, you're a little late to the party to be getting upset over the changes they made.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the reason we're disappointed is because the original stories taught very important lessons about not always getting what you want. Lessons one of the most entitled and narcissistic generations the first world has ever seen direly needed. Instead it's feel-good bullshit entirely stripped of its meaning.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49483341]It's a fucking cartoon. Stop getting you underwear in a knot. If you want your kids to know the original version of The Little Mermaid you can read it to them yourself. Getting angry at Disney for doing something they've done for 100 years is pointless. The Little Mermaid came out 27 years ago, you're a little late to the party to be getting upset over the changes they made.[/QUOTE]
It's more than just a cartoon though. I legitimately believe that Disney inhibits learning as supposed to facilitating anything. It might be "just a cartoon" to you as it should be - you're not a little kid anymore - but this is mental junk food and kids eat it up all the time. It's not good to remain unchallenged emotionally, morally, and intellectually. It's also not good to gain an expectation for good endings. I would argue that this sometimes snowballs into people's weird expectations of life since people keep reinforcing similar ideas.
I also think it's ridiculous that I can't join Maddox on his criticism of this cartoon without looking "angry" or "obsessive". I think for a person to latch onto that, they have to be missing the point, even when the point flies out of their mouths without them realizing it.
[quote]Getting angry at Disney for doing something they've done for 100 years is pointless.[/quote]
[I]Yeah, Disney has done it for this extended period of time, and therefore it is okay.[/I]
I'll tell you what - there are some people my age (20 at the time of writing) who cannot accept reality and keep up these bullshit mentalities of how life is supposed to work. You can start with the people who believe in the "friend zone" and get upset when they don't win the girl in the end with their niceness - something that could literally be taught with the original version of The Little Mermaid. But never mind that, it's more important for Disney to make money and more important for parents to disillusion their children with constant happy fantasies and distractions and false expectations. It's not The Little Mermaid, it's Disney and related cartoons. It's an entire sect of media.
[QUOTE=CoixNiro;49483367]Maybe the reason we're disappointed is because the original stories taught very important lessons about not always getting what you want. Lessons one of the most narcissistic generations the first world has ever seen direly needed. Instead it's feel-good bullshit entirely stripped of its meaning.[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt that's Disney's fault. They've done this kind of thing for 100 years, if they had a large hand in people being narcissistic other generations would be just as bad. Again, you can tell all the original stories to your kids if you want nothing is stopping you.
You know a good way of teaching kids they won't always get what they want? Don't give them everything they want. It's down to parents to teach these lessons to their kids, not cartoon creators.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;49483445]I highly doubt that's Disney's fault. They've done this kind of thing for 100 years, if they had a large hand in people being narcissistic other generations would be just as bad. Again, you can tell all the original stories to your kids if you want nothing is stopping you.
You know a good way of teaching kids they won't always get what they want? Don't give them everything they want. It's down to parents to teach these lessons to their kids, not cartoon creators.[/QUOTE]
"Disney has been removing all of the difficult and uncomfortable parts of stories and rebranding it as their own for 100 years. Exploiting people's want for escapism and unwillingness to confront reality while easing back on the whole 'morals' thing shouldn't be criticized. Not even the art itself. Don't criticize it. They've done it for too long."
I think it speaks to a larger issue of people becoming more and more overprotective of their children to a point of protection from reality. There's a lot of stuff that are popping up to suggest that kids are growing up to become unprepared for the real world and that adults are regressing with infantilistic tendencies.
[url]https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/freedom-learn/201509/declining-student-resilience-serious-problem-colleges[/url]
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/23/embrace-future-longing-past-nostalgia-memories[/url]
What's not helping is stuff that enables this behavior. Kids from a young age should be taught to be mature instead of babied. You teach them to deal with reality and how to find the joys of reality without ignorance of the downsides. You teach them to strengthen up. I see Disney as a complete hindrance to that mentality with other companies joining them too, and while it's not their fault for doing this escapist spin on the tale, there's not a lot of others that are aiming to serve as the alternative.
Where you see it as, "Well, it couldn't have caused this because it happened so long ago", I see it as a both a domino effect and an example of how kids are being protected from even a fictional story. It's silly, it's sad, and it's not something I can really support.
And I honestly believe that the original movie could be Disney-fied without losing the meaning of the original. It could have been something profound for children. But it isn't. And that's a bummer.
Well first off, The Little Mermaid is a shit film so I don't see the point in getting upset over it changing the story, even when I was a child I thought the story was ridiculous. Not every child is a blithering retard without any reasoning ability.
Second, Disney films all have a running theme that if you try to be a good person things will work out in the end. It's not realistic obviously, but it has nothing to do with the narcissistic attitudes people have today. Selfish people in Disney films are universally shown to be wrong.
People being narcissistic is more related to the trend in parenting where children are never criticised, never allowed to fail, and never allowed to be upset or bored. Children aren't punished any more, they're placated. It isn't Disney's fault modern parents are too afraid to hurt their kids feelings.
There's also nothing wrong with promoting a positive world view. You don't make children more mature by traumatising them and desensitising them to everything. Disney films often show that a good person can make things better if they persevere or that a bad person can be redeemed if they change their ways. There are Disney films where the protagonist doesn't get what they want, they typically do that with films starring animals such as All Dogs go to Heaven and The Fox and the Hound, it makes it easier for children to understand the message.
The reason I think getting upset at Disney for making things that children will like is stupid is that the entire point of Disney was to be the consistent 'good' thing in a world where things are awful. There's a reason most villains in Disney films die by falling off something, it's so they don't have to show a murder on screen to 4 year olds. I see blaming Disney for people being selfish, narcissistic, dickheads to be the same thing as blaming videogames for making people violent, or blaming rock music for making people 'satanic'. It's a scapegoat, it's an incidental piece of a person's life that you can lay blame at in an attempt to feel like you're doing something right because you don't want to acknowledge that there are wider issues that have a much greater effect on how and what people think.
Disney films don't make children narcissists, their central stories and themes are all about being selfless and helping others. It's in literally all their films. The way you fix the problem of people being selfish dickheads is to give them a reality check, not by getting upset that Disney didn't make Hera the main antagonist in Hercules, or that they made the story of Fa Mulan essentially a coming of age story.
You seem REALLY upset over nothing. The Little Mermaid, while retaining the name of the original book, in its own way is a different story. I mean, its a DISNEY MOVIE. Its not supposed to be real fuckin depressing, its supposed to be cheerful, with a spooky villian with a good song, and a catchy song that everyone will sing for a few months.
Literally, thats the forumala for every disney movie and if you expected disney to give kids their depressing daily dose of edge instead of a cheerful Disney movie, you may of come to the wrong movie
[QUOTE=oskramorir;49482685]i wanna see that russian adaptation, it looks cool as hell[/QUOTE]
Finding soviet cartoons with english subtitles is a pain in the ass
[QUOTE=woolio1;49482507]As an aside, you've had over a decade to be upset about this, and I sincerely doubt you ever gave it a second thought until you watched this video.[/QUOTE]
I actually have arguments with my family about how Ariel is the worst Disney princess.
She ruins everything because she wants some dick. Then the dick saves her and everythings good again.
I feel like I should point out that Disney is a massive commercial success, with coffers billions of dollars deep.
I'm not sure it matters if what they're doing is right or wrong at this point. It's made them the media giant they are, and brought them unparalleled success in the entertainment industry. What they're doing is clearly working for them, and it's the product they're selling that's gotten them there.
Blame the people that buy Disney's schlock, they wouldn't make it if people wouldn't buy it.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49480185]Yes... But it's Disney. Does this guy really think Disney is going to kill off a princess, when their princesses are the flagships of their brand? You've got to think of the merchandising.
This is sort of what Disney does, they adapt fairytales and folklore into films for the under-13 Western audience. It's not going to be Hans Christian Andersen's book in film form, because it's a Disney film.[/QUOTE]
what are you talking about? Disney already killed one of their best princesses, [sp]han solo[/sp]. (StarWars)
[QUOTE=woolio1;49484270]I feel like I should point out that Disney is a massive commercial success, with coffers billions of dollars deep.
I'm not sure it matters if what they're doing is right or wrong at this point. It's made them the media giant they are, and brought them unparalleled success in the entertainment industry. What they're doing is clearly working for them, and it's the product they're selling that's gotten them there.
Blame the people that buy Disney's schlock, they wouldn't make it if people wouldn't buy it.[/QUOTE]
lmao
I'm not even going to get into the argument of whether this was a moral decision or whatever, I'm just going to focus on your ridiculously flawed argument.
Because you're literally saying that we shouldn't blame a corporation if it does something immoral, as long as they're making money off of it.
Applying that same logic, we shouldn't blame a corporation for taking advantage of cheap child labour, those damn children should just stop working for such low wages.
Nor should we blame a corporation for shitting up the environment, it's the environment's fault for being so profitable to shit on.
I think it's a bit of a jump to go from "slightly changes the story of a fairytale" to "supports child slavery." If we're talking flawed arguments, that's a damn good one.
Im just saying that there's probably a reason Disney has sold more copies, screenings, and merchandise of The Little Mermaid than the producers of all the other films based on Andersen's work have, and I'd say it has something to do with Disney's reputation of not being fucking depressing as shit.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49485104]I'd say it has something to do with Disney's reputation of not being fucking depressing as shit.[/QUOTE]
What about Bambi?
It's such a shame that Disney sanitizes fairy tales and deprives kids of important morals, such as that some people are naturally supposed to be worse off, but can gain equality in the afterlife if they do 300 years of good deeds after they die.
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