sorry people make judgments whether its a boy or a girl, the mind passively makes judgments regardless of even talking to a person. I get where they are coming from but god is it cringe worthy to hear people call people out for something people do without thinking about it
Damn most of these kids are really young. I guess prepuberty hits hard sometimes.
what do these words mean
Many of these people would probably be better off not making vines.
so it looks like practically everyone in [B]this particular video[/B] is doing this so they can be a special snowflake otherwise they wouldn't be making themselves look like laughing stocks.
also they all look under 14
damn kids
I understand everything but genderfluid, like can someone explain to me how that really works besides "wake up as a boy, next day as a girl"
is it any coincidence that all these kids are under 15, I mean do any independent, upstanding, over-21 folk refer to themselves as demiqueer or whatever the fuck
[QUOTE=Limed00d;47657087]I understand everything but genderfluid, like can someone explain to me how that really works besides "wake up as a boy, next day as a girl"[/QUOTE]
It means you identify with all genders and take offense to anyone that refers to you as a specific gender.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;47657094]is it any coincidence that all these kids are under 15, I mean do any independent, upstanding, over-21 folk refer to themselves as demiqueer or whatever the fuck[/QUOTE]
it's almost coming across as a sort of goth-style "phase". people eventually grow out of it. Of course, there are people who genuinely feel that they don't belong to their genetic gender but these people genuinely seem to be doing it because "fuck other people they don't get me i'm special"
[QUOTE=Limed00d;47657087]I understand everything but genderfluid, like can someone explain to me how that really works besides "wake up as a boy, next day as a girl"[/QUOTE]
It means unsure or unstable, common for people with strong or unstable emotions, it means that you can shift in phases and moods. Not entirely unlike how one's sexual preferences can shift depending on their emotional state.
I'm not sure but I notice a trend there, under 16, likes tumblr, (slightly) overweight and bright hair color.
Sometimes I think somebody started the whole thing as a joke and now those kids take tumblr way too serious.
In some ways similar to the whole Emo trend that started to get popular around 2000 but you dont really hear much about that anymore.
Edit: I understand there are people that have problems with identifying their gender but that video kinda made it look like a joke or teen phase.
[QUOTE=Instant Mix;47657130]it's almost coming across as a sort of goth-style "phase". people eventually grow out of it. Of course, there are people who genuinely feel that they don't belong to their genetic gender but these people genuinely seem to be doing it because "fuck other people they don't get me i'm special"[/QUOTE]
Instant Mix worded it better.
God damn, the internet can really fuck you up. I'm 100% sure these snowflakes would have turned out semi-normal if they weren't exposed to the internet like this.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;47657087]I understand everything but genderfluid, like can someone explain to me how that really works besides "wake up as a boy, next day as a girl"[/QUOTE]
my girlfriend is genderfluid, so I can explain; it's really pretty simple.
to be genderfluid is to espouse and identify with traits that are generally held in mutual exclusivity to one another - things considered traditionally "masculine" and "feminine" traits. So for instance, perhaps you enjoy having long hair and wearing makeup, a traditionally feminine trait. In standard conceptions of gender, this likely puts you in opposition to wanting to sport a beard and to wear collared shirts with a tie. In people who are genderfluid, they identify with and enjoy expressing both.
given the rather rigid system of the classification of gender and sex in modern society, this makes it seem very bizarre. but once you start to realize how much of this stuff is simply based in social construction, it really stops mattering. it's a very interesting sort of deal, because many people who are genderfluid recognize that many of these traits are purely social construction, and as such are in favor of a more egalitarian system wherein those barriers are eliminated and people are free to express themselves in however way they see fit, but on the other side of the coin they often do enjoy being able to devote to one or the other gender. some days they'll feel particularly masculine, and wish to be seen in a masculine light, and the next they feel particularly feminine, and wish to be seen in a feminine light.
[QUOTE=Aetna;47657108]It means you identify with all genders and take offense to anyone that refers to you as a specific gender.[/QUOTE]
minus the fact that the majority of people that are genderfluid are incredibly open and understand that being genderfluid is an incredibly foreign concept to the public
these are literal children in this video that have no nuanced understanding of social construction
"People should stop singling me out for my sexuality"
"Hey look at me my sexuality is my one defining feature"
I go by 'don't ask, don't tell' with sexuality, if you wanna be a dude that fucks dudes that's fine, if you wanna be a dude and dresses like a woman that's fine, if you wanna be a dude who only ever talks about dressing as a woman or sleeping with guys I really don't want to talk to you.
Honestly seeing how young a lot of these people are, this shit is just dumb phases. Seems like this "gender" shit is the new special snowflake syndrome for them like when hot topic kids, super punk, goth, and emo, were really big things back in the day.
Funnily enough, years later the kids in my school who were super into that have all grown up and are out of it. Hopefully these people do as well because honestly they are just nothing but a hassle. Thinking they can be called whatever they want, but get mad when people dont want to call them what they want, as if they have authority or instantly making them right against said people.
Ill call you it/he/her, but once you start getting mad at me because I didnt call you demisexual and didnt call you a xir/mur/xe, I really cannot take you seriously at all. Kind of sad some people defend this shit like they would die if they argued otherwise. Its doing nothing more than promoting this type of shit. I really dont care if you call yourself a demisexual, genderfluid, all that jazz. I only care if you start getting mad at me because I didnt use your fake pronouns and you make it your entire defining characteristic.
Plus all ive ever seen scientifically are 3 sexes. Male/Female/Intersex, and I think those hold more weight than people on social media.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;47657662]
to be genderfluid is to espouse and identify with traits that are generally held in mutual exclusivity to...
these are literal children in this video that have no nuanced understanding of social construction[/QUOTE]
That's the problem these kids follow tumblr trends and wanna be cool with there vine views and get popular rather then even knowing what genderfluid stands for.
They really need look up from the internet on the phone.
[editline]4th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Strontboer;47657596]God damn, the internet can really fuck you up. I'm 100% sure these snowflakes would have turned out semi-normal if they weren't exposed to the internet like this.[/QUOTE]
This is most people just look at the alex jones people. Misinformation on youtube is the big and fucks up a lot of people to believe crazy shit.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;47657662]my girlfriend is genderfluid, so I can explain; it's really pretty simple.
to be genderfluid is to espouse and identify with traits that are generally held in mutual exclusivity to one another - things considered traditionally "masculine" and "feminine" traits. So for instance, perhaps you enjoy having long hair and wearing makeup, a traditionally feminine trait. In standard conceptions of gender, this likely puts you in opposition to wanting to sport a beard and to wear collared shirts with a tie. In people who are genderfluid, they identify with and enjoy expressing both.
given the rather rigid system of the classification of gender and sex in modern society, this makes it seem very bizarre. but once you start to realize how much of this stuff is simply based in social construction, it really stops mattering. it's a very interesting sort of deal, because many people who are genderfluid recognize that many of these traits are purely social construction, and as such are in favor of a more egalitarian system wherein those barriers are eliminated and people are free to express themselves in however way they see fit, but on the other side of the coin they often do enjoy being able to devote to one or the other gender. some days they'll feel particularly masculine, and wish to be seen in a masculine light, and the next they feel particularly feminine, and wish to be seen in a feminine light.[/QUOTE]
that's actually p. awesome, thanks for the explanation.
God damnit we burned down hot topic and this is what we get for it.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;47658412]that's actually p. awesome, thanks for the explanation.[/QUOTE]
And what he said near the end is quite true, I've had friends who are gender fluid prefer the gender binary and others who would like it to go away.
I tend to just eat or focus on whatever when those debates/arguments start.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;47657662]my girlfriend is genderfluid, so I can explain; it's really pretty simple.
to be genderfluid is to espouse and identify with traits that are generally held in mutual exclusivity to one another - things considered traditionally "masculine" and "feminine" traits. So for instance, perhaps you enjoy having long hair and wearing makeup, a traditionally feminine trait. In standard conceptions of gender, this likely puts you in opposition to wanting to sport a beard and to wear collared shirts with a tie. In people who are genderfluid, they identify with and enjoy expressing both.
given the rather rigid system of the classification of gender and sex in modern society, this makes it seem very bizarre. but once you start to realize how much of this stuff is simply based in social construction, it really stops mattering. it's a very interesting sort of deal, because many people who are genderfluid recognize that many of these traits are purely social construction, and as such are in favor of a more egalitarian system wherein those barriers are eliminated and people are free to express themselves in however way they see fit, but on the other side of the coin they often do enjoy being able to devote to one or the other gender. some days they'll feel particularly masculine, and wish to be seen in a masculine light, and the next they feel particularly feminine, and wish to be seen in a feminine light.
minus the fact that the majority of people that are genderfluid are incredibly open and understand that being genderfluid is an incredibly foreign concept to the public
these are literal children in this video that have no nuanced understanding of social construction[/QUOTE]
i don't really see how this has anything to do with your gender though
you don't really need to make up another gender because you have long hair and a beard, imo
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;47657662]my girlfriend is genderfluid, so I can explain; it's really pretty simple.
to be genderfluid is to espouse and identify with traits that are generally held in mutual exclusivity to one another - things considered traditionally "masculine" and "feminine" traits. So for instance, perhaps you enjoy having long hair and wearing makeup, a traditionally feminine trait. In standard conceptions of gender, this likely puts you in opposition to wanting to sport a beard and to wear collared shirts with a tie. In people who are genderfluid, they identify with and enjoy expressing both.[/QUOTE]
oh fuck i might be that
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;47657662]my girlfriend is genderfluid, so I can explain; it's really pretty simple.
to be genderfluid is to espouse and identify with traits that are generally held in mutual exclusivity to one another - things considered traditionally "masculine" and "feminine" traits. So for instance, perhaps you enjoy having long hair and wearing makeup, a traditionally feminine trait. In standard conceptions of gender, this likely puts you in opposition to wanting to sport a beard and to wear collared shirts with a tie. In people who are genderfluid, they identify with and enjoy expressing both.
given the rather rigid system of the classification of gender and sex in modern society, this makes it seem very bizarre. but once you start to realize how much of this stuff is simply based in social construction, it really stops mattering. it's a very interesting sort of deal, because many people who are genderfluid recognize that many of these traits are purely social construction, and as such are in favor of a more egalitarian system wherein those barriers are eliminated and people are free to express themselves in however way they see fit, but on the other side of the coin they often do enjoy being able to devote to one or the other gender. some days they'll feel particularly masculine, and wish to be seen in a masculine light, and the next they feel particularly feminine, and wish to be seen in a feminine light.
minus the fact that the majority of people that are genderfluid are incredibly open and understand that being genderfluid is an incredibly foreign concept to the public
these are literal children in this video that have no nuanced understanding of social construction[/QUOTE]
Genderfluid seems like the weirdest way to talk about these things. Knowing those things are constructions and fabrications is one thing, but actually taking that into account to your gender on a daily basis? That's weird and doesn't make sense to me.
Like I get it as an aesthetic tool to really be able to say "This is who I am", but I think the term "Genderfluid" itself makes it sound like you change genders or change conceptions of genders regularly which again, seems strange and nonsensical for me. I've worn more feminine clothes and had a more feminine set of traits and gone the exact opposite way the next day but I wouldn't have called myself gender fluid but it would seem according to your definition I am?
I find that terribly strange. I just think it's easier to say you don't care about what's "socially right" when it comes to your appearance rather than invent the term genderfluid for it?
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;47657662]my girlfriend is genderfluid, so I can explain; it's really pretty simple.
to be genderfluid is to espouse and identify with traits that are generally held in mutual exclusivity to one another - things considered traditionally "masculine" and "feminine" traits. So for instance, perhaps you enjoy having long hair and wearing makeup, a traditionally feminine trait. In standard conceptions of gender, this likely puts you in opposition to wanting to sport a beard and to wear collared shirts with a tie. In people who are genderfluid, they identify with and enjoy expressing both.
given the rather rigid system of the classification of gender and sex in modern society, this makes it seem very bizarre. but once you start to realize how much of this stuff is simply based in social construction, it really stops mattering. it's a very interesting sort of deal, because many people who are genderfluid recognize that many of these traits are purely social construction, and as such are in favor of a more egalitarian system wherein those barriers are eliminated and people are free to express themselves in however way they see fit, but on the other side of the coin they often do enjoy being able to devote to one or the other gender. some days they'll feel particularly masculine, and wish to be seen in a masculine light, and the next they feel particularly feminine, and wish to be seen in a feminine light.
minus the fact that the majority of people that are genderfluid are incredibly open and understand that being genderfluid is an incredibly foreign concept to the public
these are literal children in this video that have no nuanced understanding of social construction[/QUOTE]
But aren't these things just called being manly/being effeminate ? There are already words out there for this kind of stuff that sound incredibly less obnoxious and pretentious than a special snowflake term like genderfluid.
Good fucking god what the hell, its like they desire to be picked on.
I can understand where these guys are coming from but sometimes a person may just be curious and ask questions, fuck these guys if all they do is throw insults back because of how 'close-minded' people are
[QUOTE=Swilly;47658495]And what he said near the end is quite true, I've had friends who are gender fluid prefer the gender binary and others who would like it to go away.
I tend to just eat or focus on whatever when those debates/arguments start.[/QUOTE]
I just find it absolutely insane people want or expect the gender binary to go away. Its perfectly fine if you dont like them, but I hate it when these people expect the WHOLE world just to bend over backwards for them personally because of what they personally want.
I hate using this word but it always comes off as serious entitlement.
We have Man/Women/Boy/Girl(and whatever intersex calls itself if it has anything) so we have some context of the person we are talking about. Its like these people dont think new things would replace those if they somehow didnt exist. Its like trying to explain colors without saying Red,Blue,Green.
Plus, regardless of what these people want to believe, sex isnt a social construct, its straight up nature that isnt even exclusive to humans. Hell, unlike the humans who call themselves Asexual, the actual animals that are Asexual are a legit defined sex with actual asexual reproduction(humans dont have that). We needed words for the male and female so we could have SOME context of just what the hell we are trying to talk about. Like I said, if male and female werent used to differentiate the sexes, something else would have to.
I really cant seeing anything more than people whining and wanting everyone else to follow them because of personal feelings. Ive never seen an actual argument against binary gender other than "it makes me feel bad"
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47658753]But aren't these things just called being manly/being effeminate ? There are already words out there for this kind of stuff that sound incredibly less obnoxious and pretentious than a special snowflake term like genderfluid.[/QUOTE]
That's how I feel about Genderfludity as well. I'm a cis guy that has long hair, I just see myself as a guy with long hair, nothing too special about it.
Aw come on, don't lump in asexuality with all that other nonsense.
Everyone in that video above is insane and needs therapy
or just teenagers idk same thing
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