China sets stage for Xi to stay in office indefinitely - Polidicks

[QUOTE]BEIJING (Reuters) - China’s ruling Communist Party on Sunday set the stage for President Xi Jinping to stay in office indefinitely, with a proposal to remove a constitutional clause limiting presidential service to just two terms in office. Since taking office more than five years ago, Xi has overseen a radical shake-up of the party, including taking down top leaders once thought untouchable as part of his popular war on deep-rooted corruption. Sunday’s announcement, carried by state news agency Xinhua, gave few details. It said the proposal had been made by the party’s Central Committee, the largest of its elite ruling bodies. The proposal also covers the vice president position. Xi, 64, is currently required by China’s constitution to step down as president after two five-year terms. Nearing the end of his first term, he will be formally elected to a second at the annual meeting of China’s largely rubber-stamp parliament opening on March 5. There is no limit on his tenure as the party and military chief, though a maximum 10-year term is the norm. He began his second term as head of the party and military in October at the end of a party congress held once every five years. Zhang Lifan, a historian and political commentator, said the news was not unexpected, and it was hard to predict exactly how long Xi could stay on in power. “In theory he could serve longer than Mugabe but in reality, no one is sure exactly what will happen,” Zhang said, referring to Zimbabwe’s former president whose four decades in office ended in November, after the army and his former political allies moved to force him out.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-politics/china-sets-stage-for-xi-to-stay-in-office-indefinitely-idUSKCN1G906W?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a92779004d3015892a897d2&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook"]Reuters.[/URL]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he currently doing very well by 'our' standards?

The people in the higher echelons of Chinese government should be concerned. Governments that have historically hung onto leaders for too long either stagnate or go off the deep end.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;53158831]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he currently doing very well by 'our' standards?[/QUOTE] If you mean threatening Taiwan with war, building bases on spratley islands well then sure

As "indefinitely" , as a mortal man can they mean. Unless they want to try and go down the 40k route. :v:

This is so shortsighted. The man now isn't guaranteed to be the same as he is in 30-40 years.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;53158831]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he currently doing very well by 'our' standards?[/QUOTE] yes but then china hasn't had a strongman in some time that consolidated so much power. even in oligarchies like china there needs to be a routine and orderly transition of power. they rightfully learned that lesson with Mao and his family that tried to establish themselves as a ruling dynasty.

[QUOTE=Sableye;53158968]yes but then china hasn't had a strongman in some time that consolidated so much power. even in oligarchies like china there needs to be a routine and orderly transition of power. they rightfully learned that lesson with Mao and his family that tried to establish themselves as a ruling dynasty.[/QUOTE] Considering Xi is the most powerful man in china since Mao go figure.

[QUOTE=Occlusion;53158943]This is so shortsighted. The man now isn't guaranteed to be the same as he is in 30-40 years.[/QUOTE] He's 65 years old, he may not be alive in 40 some years.

All hail Emperor Xi!

How likely is it that this proposal passes? I really can't see how anyone would view this as something positive in China both outside and within the party. The term limits were put in just to prevent China from ever getting someone like a dictator/emperor/Mao again.

Xi isn’t as dictatorial and brutal as Mao, but he’s no butterfly either. He’s cunning and cutthroat, and has amassed a lot of popularity and followers in the past few years. He’s willing to modernize and go green with China while simultaneously clamping down harder on minorities and dissidents. Xi has basically laid the groundwork to more or less make Africa a patchwork of tributary states, and is expanding Chinas military to be less of a huge blob and an more of an actual competitor to Russia or America. People are underestimating Xi and I expect by 2020 some interesting things coming out of China. If you think Russia’s interference is bad, imagine a revanchist China

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;53158864]If you mean threatening Taiwan with war, building bases on spratley islands well then sure[/QUOTE] Yes I would mean that. Just because he's doing some jerk moves doesn't mean he isn't successful.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;53158831]Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he currently doing very well by 'our' standards?[/QUOTE] He's still done some pretty extreme things. IIRC he had the railway minister executed for accepting a bribe.

I mean, it's not like this move has gone wrong before.

This issue should be getting a little more traffic, I think. I respect China for their efforts on Climate Change, something the US, generally a leader in such things, has declined to do, but they're an extremely oppressive society, and this news doesn't surprise me at all. Still, China is definitely shaping up to be a superpower. To be honest, when its current military developments are completed, they could definitely be considered that. The thing is, that would be concerning if nukes didn't exist. It's counter-intuitive, but nukes seem to be the only thing keeping us from war. Pretty strange, but there we are.

the words "immigration" and "board (a plane)" are currently prohibited on weibo, [url=https://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/2018/02/%E3%80%90%E6%95%8F%E6%84%9F%E8%AF%8D%E5%BA%93%E3%80%91%E5%90%BE%E7%9A%87%E4%B8%87%E5%B2%81%E5%8A%9D%E8%BF%9B%E7%99%BB%E5%9F%BA%E7%AD%89%E4%B9%A0/]among many others[/url]

[QUOTE=Occlusion;53158943]This is so shortsighted. The man now isn't guaranteed to be the same as he is in 30-40 years.[/QUOTE] Don’t take the news out of context. Being in office indefinitely is not the same as being in office until death. Prime Ministers Theresa May of the UK and Malcolm Turnbull of Australia are currently holding office indefinitely, for example.

[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;53160690]the words "immigration" and "board (a plane)" are currently prohibited on weibo, [url=https://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/2018/02/%E3%80%90%E6%95%8F%E6%84%9F%E8%AF%8D%E5%BA%93%E3%80%91%E5%90%BE%E7%9A%87%E4%B8%87%E5%B2%81%E5%8A%9D%E8%BF%9B%E7%99%BB%E5%9F%BA%E7%AD%89%E4%B9%A0/]among many others[/url][/QUOTE] How are those words significant?

[QUOTE=download;53160754]How are those words significant?[/QUOTE] I imagine it's so that there's no noticeable boom of people leaving a soon to be dictatorial country?

[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;53160690]the words "immigration" and "board (a plane)" are currently prohibited on weibo, [URL="https://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/2018/02/【敏感词库】吾皇万岁劝进登基等习/"]among many others[/URL][/QUOTE] [t]https://i2.wp.com/chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/files/2018/02/敏感词5.jpg[/t] Why is the letter "N" banned? Is it slang for something?

Can anyone explain to me the difference between Xi and other Chinese presidents? From what I understand, the Chinese political system has presidents serve for like a 10 year term with a set of goals given to them by the Central Committee, and their job is to execute those goals. Hu Jintao, an engineer, made the Three Gorges Dam his pet project and his legacy. But from what I've read, while previous Chinese president acted like executors of the will of the Central Committee, Xi is a lot more aggressive in foreign policy and domestic issues as well, acting more like Putin (a strongman) and less like the executor of the government What's bigger in China, the presidency or the Central Committee/Legislature?

[QUOTE=BF;53160705]Don’t take the news out of context. Being in office indefinitely is not the same as being in office until death. Prime Ministers Theresa May of the UK and Malcolm Turnbull of Australia are currently holding office indefinitely, for example.[/QUOTE] Except the UK and Australia are democracies and they can be removed from office at any time. China is a single-party autocracy. [editline]26th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=proboardslol;53161435] What's bigger in China, the presidency or the Central Committee/Legislature?[/QUOTE] Fairly certain that's highly dependent on who is on which office. Xi being such a strong-willed politician makes his office a bit stronger and "more important". If there were a weaker politician as president, I'm sure the Central Committee would be stronger. It's a matter of how they use their office to obtain what they want to do. It's the same in the US, to a lesser degree and less noticiable. Weaker presidents tend to have stronger Congresses.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;53161435]Can anyone explain to me the difference between Xi and other Chinese presidents? From what I understand, the Chinese political system has presidents serve for like a 10 year term with a set of goals given to them by the Central Committee, and their job is to execute those goals. Hu Jintao, an engineer, made the Three Gorges Dam his pet project and his legacy. But from what I've read, while previous Chinese president acted like executors of the will of the Central Committee, Xi is a lot more aggressive in foreign policy and domestic issues as well, acting more like Putin (a strongman) and less like the executor of the government What's bigger in China, the presidency or the Central Committee/Legislature?[/QUOTE] My impression is that while previous presidents had to deal with party rivalries, Xi has consolidated power by basically accusing anyone who disagrees with him with corruption and disposed them. This increases his power within the CCP and also makes him popular with the people. He's basically setting himself up as the 2nd coming of Mao.

[QUOTE=robotnik185;53160864][t]https://i2.wp.com/chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/files/2018/02/敏感词5.jpg[/t] Why is the letter "N" banned? Is it slang for something?[/QUOTE] a bunch of random words are banned in China mostly due to political reasons. It is a pain in the ass to talk about stuffs in Chinese forums because many words, even common ones, are filtered and you will be blocked from posting if your post consists these words. the filter is pretty similar to how 'snigger' will trigger Smartness when it was still a thing. [editline]27th February 2018[/editline] from what I've heart N is banned since people are talking how Xi can stay for N more terms and N more years so they banned it just because. Also people are talking about how Xi's name is going to become Xi Ji Pig

[QUOTE=download;53160754]How are those words significant?[/QUOTE] search volume for "immigration" after the announcement [t]https://i.imgur.com/KrSB8cP.jpg[/t]

yeah this strikes me as the kind of thing that you study in a history book as part of the leadup to some major international incident

roleplaying this in a game of SuperPower 2 is the sort of shit that gets you banned

[QUOTE=Blanketspace;53162511]yeah this strikes me as the kind of thing that you study in a history book as part of the leadup to some major international incident[/QUOTE] well its sort of how the USSR limped along from one leader to the next, China hasn't had a recession yet but pretty much all signs point to one given the ridiculous amounts of overspending over there. even though the law would be changed, this is still an autocracy and he could very well be removed if they ended up crashing hard but then the same thing has been said about russia for what its worth

India needs to hurry up and enter the 21st century in order to play as a balancer against China's growing power.