Most big DJs like those have pre recorded sets because they're lazy wankers, just watch a set by someone like Madeon who actually performs it with a launchpad instead of the generic traktor gear.
[QUOTE=Dead Madman;44511058]Most big DJs like those have pre recorded sets because they're lazy wankers, just watch a set by someone like Madeon who actually performs it with a launchpad instead of the generic traktor gear.[/QUOTE]
actually, laidback luke is one of the best DJ's there is
more people to check out if you like their stuff from a technical standpoint:
lunice, sinjin hawke, uz, dj shadow, a-trak...
I have to show this to my dad, he's retired, but he was a musician that specialized in synthesizers back when you had to build them yourself from kits. I bet he'll get a kick from this.
I'm not sure if this is a joke, but yes, [I]some[/I] people do this and it's not exactly a wonder. The real talent with an electronic music artist lies in the studio, and with this stereotype it's no wonder we have people going around believing that synthesizers "make the sound for you". That is a fallacy which can be applied to any musical instrument; when you play a piano, guitar or violin, the vibrating strings "make the sound for you". Mixing and mastering are also an art of their own, and I don't believe I'm misusing the term, seeing as oftentimes you need to do such a process based on instinct and a good ear.
This is an example of what a DJ that doesn't "just press the play button on a laptop" does (granted he's also a guitarist but even if you don't count that, he makes full use of the rectangular touchpad effects processor/loop sampler (Korg Kaoss Pad 3)). He's kind of lame in the first minute and some where you can't see him doing much, but by 2 minutes in he's even going as far as tapping in BPMs live in the sequencer:
[video=youtube;4_SxlRQhHOA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_SxlRQhHOA[/video]
[video=youtube;XaKso979Us4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaKso979Us4[/video]
get wrecked homie
this is a full-time acting job don't bash it
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;44511606]this is a full-time acting job don't bash it[/QUOTE]
I wish I was paid to stand around and pretend I'm working
[video=youtube;Ts_5mset9Js]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts_5mset9Js[/video]
I don't enjoy going to the big festivals that bring out the biggest names in the scene. Too many prerecorded sets and too much typical EDM-pop shit. Although dubstep isn't my favorite genre, I still have mad respect for Araabmuzik and for people who perform their music live.
Only actual good electronic music:
[video=youtube;3FKfxPXFStE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FKfxPXFStE&bpctr=1397169167[/video]
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;44511586][video=youtube;XaKso979Us4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaKso979Us4[/video]
get wrecked homie[/QUOTE]
just mixing up parts of the tracks and making them repeat/chop
sounds like shit too
not really that amazing
at all
[QUOTE=Krooms;44511801]just mixing up parts of the tracks and making them repeat/chop
sounds like shit too
not really that amazing
at all[/QUOTE]
oh ok i'd like to see you do it half as good as he does if it's "just mixing up parts of the tracks" and "making them repeat/chop"
[QUOTE=Krooms;44511801]just mixing up parts of the tracks and making them repeat/chop
sounds like shit too
not really that amazing
at all[/QUOTE]
usually i'd be an advocate of the whole "u dont have to be a chef to tell chicken from chicken shit"
but you obviously don't understand any of the intricacies and difficulties of this medium at all
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;44511841]oh ok i'd like to see you do it half as good as he does if it's "just mixing up parts of the tracks" and "making them repeat/chop"[/QUOTE]
lol who cares it still sounds like shit I don't care if it took him some effort to move his hands pretty fast to make it repeat/chop
[QUOTE=Krooms;44511885]lol who cares it still sounds like shit I don't care if it took him some effort to move his hands pretty fast to make it repeat/chop[/QUOTE]
"my own personal music taste tells me this sounds like shit so obviously nobody else is allowed to think it sounds good"
you're probably the kind of guy that likes avicii
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;44511957]"my own personal music taste tells me this sounds like shit so obviously nobody else is allowed to think it sounds good"
you're probably the kind of guy that likes avicii[/QUOTE]
do you excel at implications and assumptions
this guy is taking robot rock, a track with heavy distorted guitar hits and making those hit over and over and bringing other parts of the track in the middle
it's obfuscated and sounds horrible
I understand music is subjective
at no point did I say you're not allowed to think it's good
in fact since we both understand that music is subjective I honestly don't understand why you're so butthurt about me not appreciating your dj
[QUOTE=Krooms;44511885]lol who cares it still sounds like shit I don't care if it took him some effort to move his hands pretty fast to make it repeat/chop[/QUOTE]
If the artist stands there and pretends to make use of the instruments they suck.
If the artist actually uses their instruments to the degree of flexibility a live set can give without a chance of the artist screwing up, it still sounds like shit anyway.
With that kind of mentality it's impossible to make everyone happy, but I guess trying to make everyone happy is futile anyway.
This isn't directed at you, but if someone believes electronic music artists should play all their instruments live without using any sequencers I ask you this: Why do you think the conventional rock band (e.g.; lead guitarist, bass guitarist, drummer, singer, maybe a keyboard player) has more than one person playing the music? That's right - it's probably extremely difficult if not impossible to [successfully] play more than 2 instruments at once.
[QUOTE=Krooms;44512007]do you excel at implications and assumptions
this guy is taking robot rock, a track with heavy distorted guitar hits and making those hit over and over and bringing other parts of the track in the middle
it's obfuscated and sounds horrible
I understand music is subjective
at no point did I say you're not allowed to think it's good
in fact since we both understand that music is subjective I honestly don't understand why you're so butthurt about me not appreciating your dj[/QUOTE]
because you're criticizing the music and failing to recognize his impressive technical skill. I dont care if you like the music or not, but you can't deny that he's skilled.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;44512481]because you're criticizing the music and failing to recognize his impressive technical skill. I dont care if you like the music or not, but you can't deny that he's skilled.[/QUOTE]
you're right I now respect his skills thank you for setting me straight
so now that I know what shit djing looks like can someone show me someone that's supposedly good?
[QUOTE=J!NX;44511665]I wish I was paid to stand around and pretend I'm working[/QUOTE]
That's pretty much what I do for a living
[QUOTE=Paramud;44512823]That's pretty much what I do for a living[/QUOTE]
lucky fucker
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;44512481]because you're criticizing the music and failing to recognize his impressive technical skill. I dont care if you like the music or not, but you can't deny that he's skilled.[/QUOTE]
skilled at making music sound terrible
[QUOTE=Krooms;44512007]do you excel at implications and assumptions
this guy is taking robot rock, a track with heavy distorted guitar hits and making those hit over and over and bringing other parts of the track in the middle
it's obfuscated and sounds horrible
I understand music is subjective
at no point did I say you're not allowed to think it's good
in fact since we both understand that music is subjective I honestly don't understand why you're so butthurt about me not appreciating your dj[/QUOTE]
The quality of the audio recording isn't helping at all. But tbh I agree with you, the only parts when the music sounded good was when the dude had his hands off the plates, letting the music play.
[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;44512481]because you're criticizing the music and failing to recognize his impressive technical skill. I dont care if you like the music or not, but you can't deny that he's skilled.[/QUOTE]
The first minute was marginally impressive, everything after that sounded really, really annoying. There was no sense of rhythm whatsoever, and for 4 minutes straight all he did was rewind parts of the song over and over again barely diversifying anything besides occasionally changing the pitch or tone of the drop. It literally sounded like a toddler messing with the plates.
I appreciate DJs, I really do. But what this guy did sounded just plain awful. And I don't see any inherent difficulty to what he is doing, not much seems to be going on off-camera. And even if there was something extremely difficult or intensive about it, it wouldn't matter. The end product is off-key, off-beat and lacks any sense of proper complex rhythms.
If I was at a concert I'd prefer the three 'knob spinning' guys at the OP to be playing, rather than someone 'beat-juggling' because all you'd want him to do was get off the stage and stop fiddling around with a good song.
[QUOTE=pedrus24;44512971]The quality of the audio recording isn't helping at all. But tbh I agree with you, the only parts when the music sounded good was when the dude had his hands off the plates, letting the music play.[/QUOTE]
I mean, I understand the effort and obviously it's a lot more respectable than just prerecording a mix and hitting play, but the execution when it comes to trying to be an 'actual live DJ' seems to always be that generic repeat/chop. Especially those just one note repeats for extended periods, for example at the beginning of said video we were talking about, it's really earrape, and I know that sound quality is horrible, but that wasn't what I was addressing anyways.
Even guys like Justice make habit of this and it sounds really bad, at least to me, when they would do live concerts and take they're really electro/heavy tracks from cross and do the one note elongated repeat. Daft Punk has also done that, my point is whenever it's done it always sounds so bad.
I'm not saying that these performances can't sound good though by any means, just in these specific examples that I've seen in the past, the random, often impetuously, tampering with otherwise enjoyable tracks.
all that aside, I think it would be cool to see a bunch of guys that are capable of handling a keyboard/x instrument help x producer/popular music guy during live concerts and play each element. Like for some heavy synth or even electro music, a bunch of dudes equipped with MIDI keyboards playing each arrangement in the track.
I mean, there just seems to be this association/expectation that if an electro/synthy producer guy releases an album the live performance automatically = I'm going to be DJ guy playing a mix of my tracks from my LP.
I understand if you're in the house/sampling music genre, but if music is all instrumental, why not have a crew come play every element you arranged in your production? Like, to me that would be cool, to see that shit, your favorite tracks being replayed live by a capable 'band' for the night and all of them would have their own touch/spin to each synth/element in the tracks.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05J4BifkGnE[/media]
I mean why can't we have some dudes like the guy at 0:20 going hard as fuck on a bunch of MIDI like he is, especially with all the shit and hardware we have today. and I know that this does happen, but I mean like arbitrary example artist: deadmau5, having one of his heavy synth tracks performed by him and a bunch of dudes playing all the synths together. I think that'd be a hell of a lot more entertaining to witness, as opposed to seeing him in a big ass helmet nodding and turning knobs with his ~dj gear~ for a couple of hours
[QUOTE=Krooms;44513368]I mean why can't we have some dudes like the guy at 0:20 going hard as fuck on a bunch of MIDI like he is[/QUOTE]
um that guy is literally pressing one key to the beat of the track? regardless i think its a silly comparison. you're comparing a dude on a single midi as part of a large ensemble to the performance of a single person who has electronically produced an entire track. you're asking for very different things really
if you wanna see some contemporary bands that go hard on midis and synths as part of a live performance then you should probably be looking at the indie pop scene really
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEY8bn-2PqQ[/media]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyCrfSZdz0E[/url]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO0JlE9rrXs[/media]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKxnPt4a68s[/url]
Go back to the fucking '80s and let's get some Depeche Mode and New Order in the house. They either used tape or played it theirselves.
Don't get me wrong, I love Deadmau5 and all them.
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