That was a nice video - it looks decent enough, but that huge honking screen kinda ruins that interior.
Also I'm not buying the idea that "having the main info on the periphery" is a good thing. I'd infinitely prefer a HUD within my eyeline than to glance sideways. Since I'm taking a leisurely approach to buying my first car in Canada, I recently test drove a fully loaded used '17 Mazda 3 GT and I [I]really[/I] liked the car, especially the HUD, to the point where I'm definitely considering picking one up.
Also not buying the "having to look at the screen is not distracting, it's just something you get used to" because it confirms exactly what happened to me when I had the opportunity to test drive a neighbour's Tesla earlier - you can see him lose focus on the road to look and concentrate on the screen. It's okay under a lot of low-danger driving situations, but there's no way in hell that isn't fucking dangerous on a highway or in poor weather conditions.
Overall, I don't think the Tesla 3 is a bad car per se, it's just got a lot more to do before I'd say it's there yet.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;53088772]That was a nice video - it looks decent enough, but that huge honking screen kinda ruins that interior.
Also I'm not buying the idea that "having the main info on the periphery" is a good thing. I'd infinitely prefer a HUD within my eyeline than to glance sideways. Since I'm taking a leisurely approach to buying my first car in Canada, I recently test drove a fully loaded used '17 Mazda 3 GT and I [I]really[/I] liked the car, especially the HUD, to the point where I'm definitely considering picking one up.
Also not buying the "having to look at the screen is not distracting, it's just something you get used to" because it confirms exactly what happened to me when I had the opportunity to test drive a neighbour's Tesla earlier - you can see him lose focus on the road to look and concentrate on the screen. It's okay under a lot of low-danger driving situations, but there's no way in hell that isn't fucking dangerous on a highway or in poor weather conditions.
Overall, I don't think the Tesla 3 is a bad car per se, it's just got a lot more to do before I'd say it's there yet.[/QUOTE]
I don't think having the speed in your peripheral is any worse than a car having it behind the steering wheel. Maybe a HUD would be nice though. A lot of other cars have done the speedometer at the side thing.
I think his point with the screen not being distracting is for looking at nav, and the main controls. It's obviously going to be distracting if you are navigating through menus, but you never really have to do that.
[QUOTE=Morgen;53089239]I don't think having the speed in your peripheral is any worse than a car having it behind the steering wheel. Maybe a HUD would be nice though. A lot of other cars have done the speedometer at the side thing.
I think his point with the screen not being distracting is for looking at nav, and the main controls. It's obviously going to be distracting if you are navigating through menus, but you never really have to do that.[/QUOTE]
I know, I remember getting an absolutely shitty Toyota Echo which had this. It was annoying. I mean, placement wise, now that auto's are becoming a thing and especially since tach isn't a dial particularly needed for an electric motor, it's cool to experiment, but putting it on a screen that's still below eye and forward (compared to the placement as shown here) isn't as good. I'd even go so far as to say it was detrimental to the user experience. The only cars that I remember having them are Mini Cooper
[IMG]http://www.autoguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/mini-large-speedometer.jpg[/IMG]
[I]Here, the tachometer was given central preference which kind of makes sense, because the car is a manual after all, but that speedo looks weird as fuck.[/I]
and the old Echo I drove,
[IMG]https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/toyota/echo/2003/oem/2003_toyota_echo_sedan_base_i_oem_1_500.jpg[/IMG]
...but they've usually not been spectacular. The only reason manufacturers do it is specifically because they don't want to be arsed to make separate paneling for LHD and RHD markets, so this is a cheap fix for it that often draws a lot of ire. I'd have less of a problem with it if it was slightly angled towards the driver, like in the Toyota Yaris
[t]http://c8.alamy.com/comp/ARENNY/2007-toyota-yaris-in-gray-dashboard-center-console-gear-shifter-view-ARENNY.jpg[/t]
but it's not. The commonality between all of them is that (with the exception of the bizarre Mini Cooper) they're all deep set into the fascia and within the bonnet eyeline. If Tesla can implement a system that can push the speedo back a bit onto it's own panel or cluster, preferably, that'd be nice. As it stands, as far as personal opinions, I can live with a little less minimalism if it means a more driver centric user experience. Right now it's just eyecandy without some good solid ergonomics.
On the other hand, HUD's are a definite step up and ideally I'd like to see them on a lot more cars in future, even if they're not actually projected onto the windscreen but on a tinted sheet. Techmoan did a really nice video on the he got on his new car:
[video=youtube;XJNtyXT6JdU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJNtyXT6JdU[/video]
I feel like they fucked with things that should've been left alone, but missed opportunities to change things up where they could get away with it without modifying user behavior to boost adoption and traction in the mainstream market.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;53088516]His hand positioning on the wheel is awful![/QUOTE]
no kidding, the guy has the same hand placement as this kid
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olTGNCOu4qk[/media]
you're supposed to keep your hands at 9 and 3. Notice how terrible their control is.
It's a good thing these cars are starting to drive themselves, keeps people like that from crashing into us
If I had a Model 3, I'd just get one of those add-on HUD display things.
I totally get why they're doing it this way, and I wouldn't let that discourage me from buying one.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;53089362]no kidding, the guy has the same hand placement as this kid
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olTGNCOu4qk[/media]
you're supposed to keep your hands at 9 and 3. Notice how terrible their control is.
It's a good thing these cars are starting to drive themselves, keeps people like that from crashing into us[/QUOTE]
Poor M3. :frown:
Watching videos like this and those supercar fail videos makes me feel like there should be a society of the ethical treatment of supercars.They didn't deserve to die this way. :frown:
[QUOTE=Dr.C;53089362]no kidding, the guy has the same hand placement as this kid
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olTGNCOu4qk[/media]
you're supposed to keep your hands at 9 and 3. Notice how terrible their control is.
It's a good thing these cars are starting to drive themselves, keeps people like that from crashing into us[/QUOTE]
Lol that guy drives like a fucking monkey, or a character in a video game trying to give the impression that its actually driving and not just sitting still inside the car.
Outright funny
[QUOTE=snookypookums;53089343]I know, I remember getting an absolutely shitty Toyota Echo which had this. It was annoying. I mean, placement wise, now that auto's are becoming a thing and especially since tach isn't a dial particularly needed for an electric motor, it's cool to experiment, but putting it on a screen that's still below eye and forward (compared to the placement as shown here) isn't as good. I'd even go so far as to say it was detrimental to the user experience. The only cars that I remember having them are Mini Cooper
[I]Here, the tachometer was given central preference which kind of makes sense, because the car is a manual after all, but that speedo looks weird as fuck.[/I]
and the old Echo I drove,
...but they've usually not been spectacular. The only reason manufacturers do it is specifically because they don't want to be arsed to make separate paneling for LHD and RHD markets, so this is a cheap fix for it that often draws a lot of ire. I'd have less of a problem with it if it was slightly angled towards the driver, like in the Toyota Yaris
but it's not. The commonality between all of them is that (with the exception of the bizarre Mini Cooper) they're all deep set into the fascia and within the bonnet eyeline. If Tesla can implement a system that can push the speedo back a bit onto it's own panel or cluster, preferably, that'd be nice. As it stands, as far as personal opinions, I can live with a little less minimalism if it means a more driver centric user experience. Right now it's just eyecandy without some good solid ergonomics.
On the other hand, HUD's are a definite step up and ideally I'd like to see them on a lot more cars in future, even if they're not actually projected onto the windscreen but on a tinted sheet. Techmoan did a really nice video on the he got on his new car:
I feel like they fucked with things that should've been left alone, but missed opportunities to change things up where they could get away with it without modifying user behavior to boost adoption and traction in the mainstream market.[/QUOTE]
The Model 3 speedometer is actually fairly high up in your LOS, it's not much further away than your right hand:
[t]https://i.imgur.com/lZxI4Ph.jpg[/t]
I think it's much more in your LOS than the other examples, it being digital may also help with ease of use.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;53089362]no kidding, the guy has the same hand placement as this kid
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olTGNCOu4qk[/media]
you're supposed to keep your hands at 9 and 3. Notice how terrible their control is.
It's a good thing these cars are starting to drive themselves, keeps people like that from crashing into us[/QUOTE]
10 and 2 is how we're always taught to drive here in the US, though.
[QUOTE=dustyjo;53089604]10 and 2 is how we're always taught to drive here in the US, though.[/QUOTE]
Okay I know we're getting off-topic but it depends on the car.
Cars without power steering and without airbags are best done with 10 and 2 and thumbs on the outside, so you don't break your wrists if the steering suddenly snaps in one direction or the other.
Cars with power steering are best with 9 and 3 because the above often doesn't apply, also because having hands at 9 and 3 allow for optimal airbag deployment in the event of a crash, whereas when your hands are at 10 and 2, the airbag will send your arms flying into your face.
I honestly think a HUD would've been perfect for this car. The lack of gauges does significantly improve visibility, and it's the one reason I can stomach the tablet screens that so many cars have now, because flowing it into the dash means either having the screen placed really low or have a high dashboard. Hell the extra space added by removing gauges would provide SO much space for a HUD, it'd be lovely.
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